Me: You still up shorty? - 9:10
Her: -___- shorty? My name's _____. And why do you want me to write you a chorus? - 9:12
Me: Maybe I don't, maybe I just wanted a reason to talk to you - 9:26 (I admit it, I was stalling here)
Her: -___- Lame ass. You don't even talk to me in class so don't try to talk to me on facebook. - 9:27
Me: You told me to facebook you lol. We could of talked after class. - 9:31
Me: Seriously though, write me a chorus. - 9:41
(No response)
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She is pretty much the only person I don't talk to during our one class together. So, I've got some social proof. She seemed to be at least a little interested when she first talked to me. She also messes with me from time to time, as do I.

Tried to revive our previous conversation about her writing me a chorus yesterday but when I jokingly asked if she had even started it, she just gave me a blatant no. I took her saying, "you don't even talk to me in class..." as her "inviting" me to talk to her more during class, but I don't know. I also realized it would have been better to say, "Neither do you, takes two to tango" after. I always have good responses when I turn things around on girls. I know she can be fun/playful, etc but it seems like she has a high initial ASD. In fact I know she does, because I know her type always does. What should my next move be? I want to talk to her more often but I just don't know what about? With everyone else I can just talk about the class and be spontaneous but with her...

oh yes i know this kinds of girls. of to be more fair, when girls are like this with people.

she thinks she's too good for you.

i think first you have to become an attractive and solid guy. right now she feels like you are trying to pick her up, she should feel compelled to talk to you.

with girls in your same class its harder to pick her up cuz her reputation with the people she sees everyday is at stake. for her to sleep with you you have to help her social status, and when you are trying to pick her up you are lower value than her. for her to want you you have to kick her attraction switches and also have high social status. by that i mean the classic men wanting to be you and girls wanting to be with you situation.

if she marks the "seen at 00:00" you are pretty much absolutely done.

your flirting skills are actually good but she just wasnt the girl to use them with, in my humble opinion.

hope this helps bro.

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So what should I do at this point? I know she has some attraction for me, because at times she gets interested in things I do. I've also already DHV unintentionally when, during class, I was doing pull-ups and she said "you work out at home don't you?" you say she thinks she is too good for me, which may be true, so the logical thing to do would be DHV but what more can I do. Like I said I talk to everyone during class except her, am one of the top students in the class (its an exercise class), etc. What more can I do at this point?

dont place so much value on her. by this i mean you say you talk to everyone exept her, and when you do talk to her its throw IM, that tells her you are intimidated by her, therefore for her you are someone that doesnt deserve her, because you show that you fell you are not entitled to have her. you know what i mean?



this is what i imagine goes throw her unconceous(from what you are telling me): he doesnt talk to me in person, so either hes not interested or he's afraid to talk to be. i know im hot so that might be it. oh and also he tries to pick me up on IM, he definitly is afraid to talk to me in person. so i guess he feels hes not enough for me. well if he thinks that, he's probably got a good reason for that,. he's cool though he makes me feel wanted, i should keep him as a friend. yeah why would i be mean to him, hes nice with me. we are just fine as friends.
also he's good with people so he wanting me and me not being with him makes my social value go really high (girl pre selection). he's someone i wanna have arround, so i should make him feel good too. i should complement him so he doesnt loose attraction for me and goes to another girl. keep the flame going.

of course shes not racionally thinking this. if she is she is a hudge bitch, this is all feelings. girls are insecure usually and having guys wanting them in a platonic fashion makes them feel wanted and more secure about themselves.

if this sounds all foreign to you good, i hope im wrong bro but i see this happening all the time with guys. its very common, its the platonic friend complex.

im an engineer student so in my classes its always 10 guys for every 3 girls, and the ones that are attractive have this group of hardcore afcs arround them all the time, i hate that cuz it gets their ego throw the roof and makes it exponentially harder for all of us to hook up with them. this can be solved though.

what i do and it does work is i just give love to every girl, doesnt matter if she's hot or not. guys i respect too. this way you start to get popular and build a name for yourself. people start knowing your name even if you never spoke to them and as you give good feelings to everyone people start loving you. sooner than later some girl will start flirting with you. you flirt back and correspond her flirtiness, this makes her feel good and wanted. the thing is you just flirt with her. dont push it yet. as she liked how she felt when she flirted with you she will again. maybe infront of other people. rumors will start to be created about you being good with woman, pre selection in college is soooooo powerful its almost a pre requisit and a free pass at the same time.

i actually had something similar happen to me. a girl i wanted had actually placed me on the friendzone, and i wanted to fuck her not listen to her whine about other guys, so i was like i just cant be your friend, you are the girl of my dreams (i said this cheesy line cuz the way she is she wouldnt go arround telling everyone i said that to her, and it made her feel good so she has a nice memory of me. plus its true.) meanwhile i talk and make friends to everyone. i show her and all the girls in the engineering school i have a great time, i am sociable and im not fixated on one girl. i flirt with every girl that flirts with me, and i also have female friends that i dont wanna have sex with and that i love and love me back. this is all good for your image. idk if the girl that i fancied will ever wanna have sex with me but fuck it, there are houdreads of other women. im actually seen one and about to go out with another, and have anotherone that is attracted to me and will preparty with us as soon as i get a pleace to throw that fucking pre party at. when you truly understand what the metafore of many fish in the sea truly means, one girl that doesnt like you wont make a difference.

the more efford you put into getting this girl you talk about the further you will be from getting her. its all about letting her invest in you, i wrote a long post about that. you can actually find it at my blog too.

i think you are right, you need to dhv. but dhv throw other people's behaviour when they are arround you. thats a solid and powerful dhv.

all this is in the long run kind of advice. i think its the only thing that will help you in your situation. in the shortrun, go out and meet many other girls. the experience you gain will help you with this girl and all the others you will find in the future.

hope this helps bro. dont take anithing personal im just trying to help you and for that i need to be honest.

Jason

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Indecisiveness is very unattractive. Always do whatever the fuck you want to do and don't back down when a girl challenges you.

Be motivated by desire, desire to get what you want, not fear, like the fear of fucking up with a girl. Be unapologetic, dont find excuses to talk to a girl. If you want to talk to her more, get the fuck off your phone / computer and do it in person. This girl called you out on being a pussy for messaging her instead of talking to her in class. Follow her advice. For once, it was the woman who was right. You cannot build real physical attraction whilst hiding behind a screen. Real attraction happens with eye contact and physical touching.

I've got no problem talking to her in person, whenever I do talk to her online I usually ask her if she's busy, or tell her to come hang out. That whole convo started when I told her during class to write me a chorus for a song I was writing. It was going fine until class ended, and she told me to message her. Probably should have listened to myself and said, "fuck messaging her, I'll talk to her tomorrow".

Anyway, if I'm placing too much value on her by not talking to her how should I fix that. Just by talking to her more often until she realizes I'm not intimidated by her "beauty"? (She isn't all that to look at; not ugly, but no beauty queen). The problem is I'm crap with opening. I can usually muster something up in a normal case, but with someone I actually want, its harder (not impossible, but harder). There really isn't much I know of that we have in common; just a tv show, and some music.

P.S Hunter I wasn't serious when I told her I just needed a reason to talk to her. I was nervous as hell (I'll admit it), but I thought it would be funny to mess with her a bit before getting serious.

Firstly, don't ask her if she's busy, this shows you think that you are not worthy of her time. Whatever she is doing, you are more important, have that in the back of your mind. If you absolutely have to talk online, get into the habit of ending conversations with her on a high point before she does, so that the conversation doesn't die out and you remain in control.
Its all about strong eye contact and touching her. Find excuses to touch her. Too many guys get so intimidated by beauty that they treat a girl like a Rembrandt painting, worried that touching her will "spoil" her perfect looks. Start with high fives to build up your confidence, give her a fake palm read etc. When you get a girl into bed, they like it rough. You can't sub-communicate that you will be firm and rough with her if you are afraid to touch her.
Stop trying to find things in common and talk about what you like or tease her about something. Even little things like asking her to write a chorus is gay, you need to be more confident in your own skills and stop finding excuses to spend time with her.
Be more obvious with your sarcasm if you have to do it online. Do it in person if you're just teasing sure, but your message definitely reads like you're being serious and it's certainly not clear that you were joking. Deal with your nerves problem now. Nothing turns a woman off quicker than a really nervous guy.

good response hunter i agree.

just want to add one thing. i can give you an example today i opened a conversation with a girl with something as silly as asking her if she would rather eat in a fancy restorant once a month or a normal one once a week. just open with a game. a good one in class is to sit next to her, say something, start the conversation, when class starts pay attention to the class, and like at the middle of the class (if she looks bored) take a peace of paper, fold it and draw a tic tac toe on the inside, on the cover writte are you ready?? and an arrow or something to indicate her to unfold the paper. the surprice is always hilarious to her and you can play tic takc toe and pass notes as the boring class goes on.

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If you are talking to everyone else, you should talk to her if you think she is attracted to you. You should only ignore your target until she is giving you IOIs. She probably thinks you are afraid to talk to her in person.

And you talking about her writing her a chorus to revive the conversation is lame. Come up with something new to talk about so she doesn't think you are boring. You shouldn't dip back into a previous conversation to start a new one.

I've really got to stop over-exaggerating, its becoming a habit... let me rephrase a couple things. I was slightly nervous but not like I am around the beauty queens. Second, I have never asked her if she's busy. The worst I've done thus far is ask her what she has planned for a certain day.

I already do tease her when I see an opportunity, but I've got to work on being able to "finish" the conversation it starts with her. The last time I teased her (since its an exercise class), I said, "hey look she caught up to her imaginary friend" (we had to try to catch up to someone running in front of us), and she said, "You know what? I don't like you." But the way she said it let me know she was kidding.

Anyway, I've got an idea for an opener now, and since the next time I see her is Monday (if she even shows up), I guess I'll play the waiting game. Or should I try to set something up over the weekend, even though she'll probably say no?

there are yes ladders and no ladders. dont build no ladders. dont ask her something you know she will say no to.

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Ok then so just dhv, talk to her more, touch her, and I'll be golden then?

So far everything you've said about her makes her sound like she's not remotely interested in you. Normally when a girl simply isn't interested, she'll still be nice and accommodating (which can be confusing for some guys) because she doesn't have anything against you *as a person*. She's just not feeling any chemistry and it's best to just move on and accept that not everyone is going to be attracted to you, even if you do everything right.

Meanwhile, it sounds like this girl has moved past the "nice and accommodating" phase. You're actually annoying her and the next step becomes "creepy". You want to avoid that at all costs because women will start telling their friends if a guy is creeping them out.

Once you come off as creepy to a girl, you can never go back in her eyes. Just keep in mind that women have every right to choose their own partners based on WHATEVER personally turns them on... you can use PUA tips to prevent yourself from fucking it up, or to create a great first impression, but at the end of the day if she's just not into you, you need to accept that and not hold a grudge.

There's a lot more to it than what I've written here. Maybe you're right, but in my opinion I think she's at least a little interested. I mean she's asked me if I wanted to do something with her before (I said no because of what it was), she's started conversations with me, and because I know her I can "read" (or at least give a good assumption of) the tone of her messages. I think Jason is right here, because looking back at the way she talks (tone) and acts I could very much see her as thinking she's too good for me at this point instead of simply not interested. I've got a thousand reasons for why I don't think she's simply not interested (And ego probably has something to do with it), but I guess I'll find out. I appreciate the advice/response though.

This reminds me oof a situation I've gone through many times.. this helped me understand..
https://www.girlschase.com/content/maki ... -and-donts