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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:40 am 
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Ok im going to keep this as short as i possibly can.

I meet this girl and we went out, had a nice time, she was obviously attracted to me, I escalated it sexually etc... then one thing left to another and we went back to my place and after a bit of sexual touching and kissing we had sex. ( this was all very long, like alot of hours, even tho it seems short here ). The girl was obviously really into me, anyway the meet/date/whatever ended and after that we txted a bit during the week ( she has a busy schedule ), I was not the one txting alot, she was the one always txting first and i replied, sometimes after some time etc..
Then we meet for the 2nd time, had a nice time aswell, had sex, went out and had fun, things were sexual and passionate between us, was a great 2nd time aswell, and it kinda feelt like we connected a bit more aswell.
After that basically we continued to txt between and so, aswell she was the one that sent them first and so on, but I got sick during this time so we couldn't rly see each other until about 2 weeks after the 2nd meet.
So we meet for the 3rd time and this time it wasn't so passionate, not sure why but it just feelt a bit less intense and passionate, and I also wasn't so touchy and sexual with her, even tho we did have sex but overall the whole mood was just simply not that intense and sexual as before, with less passion. After that we went out and I was a bit distanced and cold aswell as opposed to before... i know you might ask me why but I just don't know, the whole thing was simply a bit less passionate and intense as it was before, I feelt a bit more distanced from her, maybe it was a weird day or something I have no clue..
Anyway after that she kinda didn't txt me so much anymore, so I kinda had to escalate the txting a bit at least, anyway after like a week or so she told me shes not sure if she feels in love with me, and that shes confused and expected more emotions up until this point. She told me at first it was great and all but then after the 3rd date she got confused.
Now we meet up and talked about it and I told her 3rd date was weird for me too and it could have just been a weird day and so, she told me she likes me is attracted to me and enjoys spending time with me but isn't sure if she rly feels in love, i told her she should relax not overthink things, go with the flow, spend time with me enjoy it and see where it goes etc... so we agreed we would keep meeting and see.
We went out after that and had a good time, was touchy and flirty etc.. then we said goodbye and she got a little kiss aswell.
Anyway now im acting a bit distant and so again, so she kinda chases me more, don't rly want to act needy or so.

My question tho, is what do you guys think was the deciding factor of her getting confused about it, aswell as what ur advice would be now, how to handle the situation best aswell as tips for the next time we meet, how much should I escalate it then to not really look too needy or so.


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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:53 am 
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Honestly, there's not much I can say beyond that sometimes there's just no physical "connection" beyond the first couple lays. I've had these things happen to me before, but it was pretty much a mutual loss of interest after just 2-3 really passionate nights of sex. Sometimes they just realize that what this isn't exactly what they're looking for, and become distant. I think your strategy is fine. Stay distant and don't warm up until she does.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 12:35 pm 
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Honestly, there's not much I can say beyond that sometimes there's just no physical "connection" beyond the first couple lays. I've had these things happen to me before, but it was pretty much a mutual loss of interest after just 2-3 really passionate nights of sex. Sometimes they just realize that what this isn't exactly what they're looking for, and become distant. I think your strategy is fine. Stay distant and don't warm up until she does.
Good luck.
Can you also give me a few tips on creating a genuine emotional connection with a chick, i think thats the phase im least good at.


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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:16 pm 
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It could have just been a bad day. But as you can't solve that, let me give you a second possible problem.

This could be something emotional with the girl. My first guess is that she doesn't feel understood. This is something I hear a lot from my female friends. Sometimes the guy isn't intelligent enough but more often the girl doesn't feel connected emotionally enough. This can be solved if you express real interest in her values and ideas (not so much in how she spent the week, but the abstract stuff), you may use mirroring conversation techniques to make sure you understand what she means and give your opinion about it. Or if you don't have one yet, say you'll think about it and get back to her about the topic. AKA really listen to her.

This soft emotional stuff may be somewhat unpopulair as a solution on a PUA forum, but when girls don't feel understood this can block them from having passionate sex. Especially since you have had passionate sex with her before, it's rather something personal than something in her general sexual ideas. It never hurts to give this a try.

Some topic suggestions: afterlife, loyalty, anything religious. Specifically: how (much) families should interact, how much engagement one should put in a conflict that doesn't concern him, whether there are circumstances under which illegal stuff (theft, abuse) is acceptable, how a country should treat economic immigrants, how to deal with falling in love with your best friends' ex, aesthetics in society, anything she tells you about her friends/colleagues (always ask what she thinks about it), the importance of spending Christmas together etc.


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I'd love to learn more about this.

I've had situations that fizzled out after the pasionate nights.

Does it have to do with your perceived value after the lays? Connection / add more comfort?


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It could have just been a bad day. But as you can't solve that, let me give you a second possible problem.

This could be something emotional with the girl. My first guess is that she doesn't feel understood. This is something I hear a lot from my female friends. Sometimes the guy isn't intelligent enough but more often the girl doesn't feel connected emotionally enough. This can be solved if you express real interest in her values and ideas (not so much in how she spent the week, but the abstract stuff), you may use mirroring conversation techniques to make sure you understand what she means and give your opinion about it. Or if you don't have one yet, say you'll think about it and get back to her about the topic. AKA really listen to her.

This soft emotional stuff may be somewhat unpopulair as a solution on a PUA forum, but when girls don't feel understood this can block them from having passionate sex. Especially since you have had passionate sex with her before, it's rather something personal than something in her general sexual ideas. It never hurts to give this a try.

Some topic suggestions: afterlife, loyalty, anything religious. Specifically: how (much) families should interact, how much engagement one should put in a conflict that doesn't concern him, whether there are circumstances under which illegal stuff (theft, abuse) is acceptable, how a country should treat economic immigrants, how to deal with falling in love with your best friends' ex, aesthetics in society, anything she tells you about her friends/colleagues (always ask what she thinks about it), the importance of spending Christmas together etc.
Yes very good interpretation and advice, im leaning that its somewhat a problem of this nature aswell since I felt like I didn't really connect with her enough in terms of emotional connection.
What would you suggest when we meet next time? Im thinking I should start off somewhat slow, not really jump into her even tho we are comfortable with each other yet I still think I should not overdoo it in terms of touching and sexual tension, so start off slowly, build it over time and then when its high start talking about such topics as you have suggested and try to establish deep emotional connection, and then start escalating sexual tension and everything else aswell. Sounds good?


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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:06 am 
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I suggest cuddling before you have sex and mix it in the conversation. You can cuddle straight away when you're together. For instance when you ask about her week, she may tell you she went to work/her parents and you can ask with which coworker she best gets along with, or which parent she most resembles. When she tells you, you ask why, she'll tell you, and you can ask if it's always been this way. That open end type of questions can really be elaborated. If you do it while cuddling it's not an interview, and it should never be. Mix in stories of your own. I never use it canned though, I do this naturally, but this is something like how it's done. Then you can either have slow sex or at some point, start fingering her deep and slow and have your passionate sex the same evening.


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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:22 am 
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I'd love to learn more about this.

I've had situations that fizzled out after the pasionate nights.

Does it have to do with your perceived value after the lays? Connection / add more comfort?
I think it's the difference between 'do I want to fuck you' and 'do I want to mate with you'. The first you get out of the sexual frame, the second out of the connection. I think it may have something to do with being valued as a person, even if the girls don't think they're being used for sex. They like the sex, they just don't want to share the good sex with someone they're not connected with. At the end of a topic/story, using 'I can see your point', 'that has something to it' and the literal: 'I understand you' establishes and deepens that connection. It's not about agreeing, it's about understanding. You do risk her falling in love.

Another great topic is sexual liberation. You can ask for instance: "You're very open about your sexuality/I love how passionate you are/you really have the ability to give all of yourself - how come you are so liberated?". The more you praise the girl for being liberated, the dirtier she'll get obviously. But asking about it values both the passionate sex and deepens the connection.


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Honestly, there's not much I can say beyond that sometimes there's just no physical "connection" beyond the first couple lays. I've had these things happen to me before, but it was pretty much a mutual loss of interest after just 2-3 really passionate nights of sex. Sometimes they just realize that what this isn't exactly what they're looking for, and become distant. I think your strategy is fine. Stay distant and don't warm up until she does.
Good luck.
Can you also give me a few tips on creating a genuine emotional connection with a chick, i think thats the phase im least good at.
I hate to say it, but I don't really know. Its the phase I'm least good at myself. After you score, and go on a few dates, you have to be able to find something in common that you can talk about. A similar world view, a similar sense of humor, or similar interests all tend to be really important to making you feel "emotionally connected". Especially if there are similarities between you two that set you both apart from most (say you both believe the earth is flat. Granted, you'd be lunatics, but you'd be lunatics made just for each other). This is because they set up a dichotomy of us vs them. When "us" is just you two and them is everyone else, it makes you two closer. I've f-closed girls, gone on dates with them after, f-closed a couple more times, but then it just fizzled out. Most of my first dates used to end up being horrendously boring and go nowhere, because we're on completely different planes. I learned progress by just focusing on physical escalation and making conversation secondary, and mostly centered on me talking about my own stories/opinions/etc. For example, I dated a girl in art school for a few weeks once... There was really nothing about her or what she did that I found interesting, and she didn't really seem to have any opinions on anything.. She was just kind of "there". Wanted to work in a museum someday. I mean.. where DO you go with a person like that? Eventually the conversations just dry up, since I can't stand most "smalltalk" subjects. We had sex a few times, I lost interest, I could see she was losing interest, we agreed on a date after finals, and then never talked. I tend to go for exotic, and edgy conversations, just by my nature, and a lot of people simply can't hold those. Most girls can't talk about why Genghis Khan was so successful in his conquests, or why biofuels are a huge mistake, or how corporations organize coups in 3rd world countries, or why apple reached its peak market share, or how morality evolved in group dynamics, or something, anything that won't send your mind off far away to a better place while she talks. And eventually you run out of crazy life stories to rant about. Most people, women and men, would rather talk about their friends' relationships, or their favorite restaurants, or the Green Bay Packers, or the latest Hollywood shitshow. Fuck that. Sex is only worth suffering so much for. Honestly, if you only find a girl attractive but not interesting to be with/easy to talk to, don't try to date her. It won't work out. Keep it to hookups only. It'll last longer that way anyways.


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What about not 100% positive emotions? Like I know her mom had a big influence on her but she died later in her life.


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I'll have to disagree with most replies. I read quickly, but it seems like everyone is finger pointing the girl. Personally, I have to blame you, TheMGuy. "..and that shes confused and expected more emotions up until this point." This is her telling you that she's missing the emotional connection she's longing for. And for her to be blunt about it clearly illustrates her interest in you.

Tell me, do you really like her? I suspect you do because otherwise you wouldn't be taking the time to tell us about your situation. So then why are YOU being distant? She's not the one being distant. YOU are. Are you losing interest in her? Are you losing attraction for her? Do you like her personality? Are you turned off by some of her behaviours? Search deep down for the answer, because ultimately only YOU will be able to help yourself. If you still find yourself interested in her, you still are attracted to her, you like her personality, and you're not grossly turned off by some of her behaviour, then there's a huge problem. Perhaps a rough upbringing? Showing affection is hardwired in our DNA, so there's no excuse to go into robot mode if you really care for a person.


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I'll have to disagree with most replies. I read quickly, but it seems like everyone is finger pointing the girl. Personally, I have to blame you, TheMGuy. "..and that shes confused and expected more emotions up until this point." This is her telling you that she's missing the emotional connection she's longing for. And for her to be blunt about it clearly illustrates her interest in you.

Tell me, do you really like her? I suspect you do because otherwise you wouldn't be taking the time to tell us about your situation. So then why are YOU being distant? She's not the one being distant. YOU are. Are you losing interest in her? Are you losing attraction for her? Do you like her personality? Are you turned off by some of her behaviours? Search deep down for the answer, because ultimately only YOU will be able to help yourself. If you still find yourself interested in her, you still are attracted to her, you like her personality, and you're not grossly turned off by some of her behaviour, then there's a huge problem. Perhaps a rough upbringing? Showing affection is hardwired in our DNA, so there's no excuse to go into robot mode if you really care for a person.
As I said 1st and 2nd meet, it was all there ( expect maybe some deep conversations ).
Then on the 3rd meet it was missing, im not sure why but I had a really weird day idk..
And the other problem is I kinda lack building an emotional connection through talking, since im not really a big talker or so.


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And the other problem is I kinda lack building an emotional connection through talking, since im not really a big talker or so.
That is not an excuse. Body language and actions are a lot more efficient in building emotional connections. Women evolved to select their men based on who would stick around the longest. Because a single impregnated woman with no man to look after her and her child would perish and be eliminated from the gene pool, women evolved to select their men carefully. And of course, way back when our ancestors hadn't invented language, body language was everything. Do you look her deep in the eyes? Do you hold her waist? There are many subtle things a man does to show a woman he cares. If you're not doing those things, perhaps you don't care. Perhaps you have more important issues to explore.


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And the other problem is I kinda lack building an emotional connection through talking, since im not really a big talker or so.
That is not an excuse. Body language and actions are a lot more efficient in building emotional connections. Women evolved to select their men based on who would stick around the longest. Because a single impregnated woman with no man to look after her and her child would perish and be eliminated from the gene pool, women evolved to select their men carefully. And of course, way back when our ancestors hadn't invented language, body language was everything. Do you look her deep in the eyes? Do you hold her waist? There are many subtle things a man does to show a woman he cares. If you're not doing those things, perhaps you don't care. Perhaps you have more important issues to explore.
What you are talking about was present the 1st and 2nd time, but 3rd time as I said it was a really weird day, and it was not so present and a bit distant.


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And the other problem is I kinda lack building an emotional connection through talking, since im not really a big talker or so.
That is not an excuse. Body language and actions are a lot more efficient in building emotional connections. Women evolved to select their men based on who would stick around the longest. Because a single impregnated woman with no man to look after her and her child would perish and be eliminated from the gene pool, women evolved to select their men carefully. And of course, way back when our ancestors hadn't invented language, body language was everything. Do you look her deep in the eyes? Do you hold her waist? There are many subtle things a man does to show a woman he cares. If you're not doing those things, perhaps you don't care. Perhaps you have more important issues to explore.
I agree with you, touch is a huge part of building emotional connections. It was one of my early mistakes. I tried to create comfort with talk alone. However there is a danger where by being too touchy, especially after someone already f-closed, one may come off as needy. I tend to pull back physically after sex, and let the girl initiate most contact until we're back in the bedroom. When you want sex, by all means, be the caveman. But aside from that, I do the occasional arm around waist, and the occasional grab the face and bring her in for a kiss, but I try to keep it sparse so it doesn't become taken for granted.. A girl won't run up to you and put her arm around you if she's used to you doing it all the time. Just like we don't verbally say "I love you" on the second date, Its probably not the best idea to do it with body language either.
I'd say, my guidelines are, when a girl comes up right to my side, I put my arm around her. If she's a couple feet away, I don't get closer and wait for her to get close. I keep make outs initiated to about 1:1.
Oh, and don't hold hands until well in to relationship-land.


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