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You sir, are dishonest in your reasoning. I mean that you try to present these ideas as false by misrepresenting them. You are a man of science and yet you claim cancer can be cured by a diet . . . Okay let's not go into that.

"Apples hang in trees, but not all apples hang in the same tree, so the trajectory is different, so your statement is wrong and you don't know enough about science." This is the way you reason. It is obvious to everyone that this is sophistry. Things like wind and the branches and even the air density influence the trajectory of the apple, but ultimately the trajectory of THE falling apple is the same. No matter from which angle you study it. It is just your perception that changes, not reality itself.

It is true that a strong will to life can accelerate the recovery chances of a person suffering from cancer. Your state of mind can certainly have effect upon your health, but it is not by thinking of yourself as an attractive and succesful person that you suddenly become it. This goes back to some "the secret" shit where it is said that if you only strongly believe that your taxes are cheques, that you eventually will receive such cheques. Just you thinking you are super hot doesn't make a woman attracted to you.

I'm dishonest in my reasoning? (Dude I'm a humble guy you can just say I disagree and feel you're wrong)

My point is simple trajectory is not the definition you defined it as... you chose the arrogant route of "irrefutable" well if you are going to state that you better know what you're talking about. Even after you made your second go of it you still haven't learned the definition of the word you've used. Please go address this before you look foolish once more.

Remember you're the one that got all crazy on what reality is. You're the one that was so convicting about being right, I'm simply help you open up a little more and open your mind to what you're doing here.

The way it feels is you're basically putting your fingers over your ears and saying repeatedly "I'm right, I'm right, I'm irrefutable, everyone else is wrong."

Don't ever make a statement as asinine as it's irrefutable when you are using words you clearly don't know the definition of (again please go read the definition... apples CAN NOT FALL AT THE SAME TRAJECTORY WITHOUT BEING ON THE SAME EXACT PLACE ON THE SAME EXACT TREE in the same exact circumstances.)

The truth of it is you stepped in to be an asshole here and I stepped up to show you that you were simply being an asshole.

If you thought the Secret was about imagining shit and boom it's there you misunderstood. You must actively seek anything out you want, you didn't get it is what it comes down to. You don't create these vision boards and shit becomes real, you create them so you know what you're working toward.... In the movie they even say you need to begin trying to get it. Perhaps you miss a lot with your black and white approach to life. Again I'm trying to help you, so don't think this is a personal attack as so many folks seem to think.

NOTE: Go read up on Max Gerson and the Diet before talking ignorantly.... otherwise you'll just show more and more foolishness or you can watch The Beautiful Truth a free documentary.

NOTE: Did you know that women know more words than men but men use more words incorrectly? Men uses words to illustrate value, though sometimes it's not the value they are aiming for.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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It is irrefutable. You come up with subjective statements like "I feel that you are wrong," "you look foolish", "you are arrogant." You say that I made a "second go" to imply that I changed my argument. I never did. I merely pointed out that you misrepresented my argument.

Since you keep manipulating the apple explanation, let me use the explanation of the stone. Let us say I throw a stone. It might crash through a window or not. No matter from which angle you see me throw the stone, the trajectory that the stone makes through space and time is always the same. Regardless of where you stand when you see me throw. It is your perspective that changes, not the reality of what happens. It is the same hand that throws it and the same window that shatters.

What you say about men and women and the words they use strikes me as a bit unconnected with the rest of the debate.

What I believe he is trying to say that you are using certain words in attempt to make yourself sound more intelligent, however, in the wrong context, and it actually makes you sound goofy. (FYI Girls hate when you talk like Bill Nye The Science Guy... set the example.)

And this is a fucking help forum, not a debate. You seem to want to argue with every person on the forum as if it were some type of dick measuring contest. Any post I've read from you starts with "I disagree" or "You're wrong." Chill the fuck out.

NOW YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR ARGUMENT!

This next statement is the proper use of the word. However your first statement was entirely different. ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. Here is the definition of the word so you see what I'm saying.

Definition: the path described by an object moving in air or space under the influence of such forces as thrust, wind resistance, and gravity, esp the curved path of a projectile

The only way to have the exact same trajectory is to go down the precise path of the object before. In other words your first statement wasn't just refutable it was outright WRONG.
Now do you see my point? (since you still haven't figured it out.)

The reality is YOU WERE WRONG(how's that for subjective). Yeah tough to hear, but it is true even though you made statements that were asinine such as irrefutable.

When I said made a second go of it I mean you said the same shit twice, and it was wrong.

My last statement was said to make you realize you're striving to show intelligence and as Majikal stated failing MISERABLY, you're incorrect use of words only reflects poorly on you. Hence the note, be careful if you go chat up a girl and use words incorrectly she'll simply think you're a pompous idiot. I'm just trying to help you out because if not girls will never be impressed with a man trying to sound sophisticated who has no clue what he is actually saying.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Alphas:

- don't give a shit what others think
- don't take shit from others and is nobody's fool
- dress well
- Has goals
- treat others respectfully (as he wishes to be treated)
- has immediate and long-term targets for his life
- acknowledges that he is the sole master of his life
- does what he pleases when he pleases
- has strong body language
- has authority/power. this could in his job/job tasks, his home/family, his interests/hobbies, etc.
- he looks all in eye when speaking to them

No man is an island and nobody is the sole master of his life. What if you get cancer, what if lightning hits your house while you are sleeping? What if the government passes a law to confiscate a part of your yard? Ones power is limited by the whims of fortune. What matters is to be prepared to seize an opportunity when it presents itself.

Nobody is the sole master of his life? So are you saying you don't make yourself a pick up artist reality does? Seriously... you are the master of your life... You have the ability to influence your situation, what you do and how you perceive it.

Ones power is limited by the fortune YOU YOURSELF CREATE.

Your mentality is that of a victim...oh my life would be great if this happened. The fact is shit happens.... that shit isn't positive, it isn't negative... your interpretation makes it so.

Lightning hits your house lights it on fire and it's burnt to the ground... Bad you lost possession you don't have a home.... good, if your house was insured you have a new place to live, all of your stuff is replaced and a new home is built...

Even when you look at ethics you are the creator of those beliefs. You believe murder is bad so it is... however 5 centuries ago even a century ago was it bad? Or just a part of the new "natural selection"?

What matters is not the preparation to seize the opportunity but the preparation to create the opportunity and seize it. I catch the feeling you are severely limited by your scope of reality... which sucks, your potential is limited by some bull shit beliefs you created as an interpretation of evens that have happened in your life.

Yes 9.8 m/sec/sec will exist but even that is not the same depending on your distance from the earth. Yes Green is green, and brown is brown... but your interpretation of events is dangerously self-limiting.

I couldn't imagine going through the world hoping an opportunity would present it's self... this exactly the opposite of what pick up teaches... which is go out there and talk to the chick... create your own opportunity.

The essence of alpha isn't being arrogant, it's being confident, it's love yourself, it's having happiness and self-esteem and the balls to go after what you want not to hope some opportunity will present it's self and you will hopefully seize it.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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When two women sit at a bar - this could be the perfect example of an opportunity; so seize it by talking to them. You are talking about the relativity of moral concepts and that they changed over the centuries, whereas I pointed out that the laws of nature are, compared to the timespan of the human species' existence, eternal, and utterly indifferent to our human moral preferences.

When all is said and done, reality is a brick wall one cannot walk through. No man is fully a master of his own life; if lightning strikes your house while you are asleep - tough luck but you are dead. No amount of positive thinking can change the laws of nature.

As to the laws of nature; one can bow and if not it will knock you in the head. If you are born with aids because your parents were junkies, tough luck. If you are twenty five years of age, just starting out with your own appartment bought with your fiancee, new job, fresh from university, you get cancer. It happens. The atoms of reality that comprise our bodies have been here ever since the beginning of the universe and go back to the first mover. There is no "Karma" or any of that shit that rewards the good and punishes the wicked. The universe doesn't care about human standards of ethics or our epistemological notions of reality.

Of course there is self-perception, as in whether or not you consider yourself attractive enough to be interesting for a certain girl. If you feel insecure about this, you might come across as nervous, and this could get in the way of the interaction. But it is ultimately your behaviour which shapes reality and which opens up opportunities. Your perceptions will not change reality. Assess reality accurately. If you do not, your interactions will be inaccurate, and thus not yield reward. Assessing the laws of nature accurately, and formulating adequate interactions with them that lead us to our goals. That is the key to success. If our perceptions of the state of the world deviate from what the state of the world is, we will eventually run into the brick-wall.

The universe offers the laws of nature that we cannot change - only relate ourselves to. The universe offers the building bricks, the atoms, that we can arrange in accordance to our preferences if we sufficiently understand them. With enough knowledge, we might be able to cure cancer, not by "believing it away." Studying the laws of nature allows us to predict the consequences of our actions, allows us to manipulate matter and shape it to our preferences. This is how we BUILD reality. Through knowledge and the application of that knowledge. Knowledge is power. We can do whatever we choose with that power, whether that is good or evil. The universe won't stop us. 1+1=2. A fact is a fact. How we perceive that fact will not change that fact. How we choose to interact with it, might.

If a person chooses to be a PUA, that person chooses to be a PUA. Since he is part of reality, we might as well say reality chose this for him. But it is foolish to imply a distinction between him and reality when it comes to the choice. After all his will, genes and brain-processes are also part of reality. His history, inherited traits and conditioning eventually led him to making the decisions that he made. Who claims otherwise pretends the universe doesn't have a history; every moment in history flows forth from the state of the universe previous to that.

This is common sense. Yet you call this a "victim mentality." People who reason like you do, that we all live in our own bubble of reality, also believe that if I help an old granny cross a dangerous street I have a higher chance of winning the lottery, or that if I steal money from my friends and family I will eventually have an anvil falling on my head to settle the scales and distribute some form of cosmic justice. We are truly delivered to the loneliness of the universe, and the act of facing this, is the essence of human greatness. No matter how much we change our perspectives, apples will still fall to the earth. Perhaps the angle in which I see it happening will change, but the trajectory of the object itself will always be what it is. An object occupies a trajectory in space when moving from A to B. No matter where I stand when I see the apple fall, the space traversed will still be the same; the path the apple made through physical reality. Even though it may look differently depending on where I stand.

Maybe if I see a second apple fall, the trajectory will be different from the first one. But this still does not change the trajectory that the first apple took, and that this trajectory is part of the history of the universe and a link in the universal chain of causality that makes the present what it is.

Dude I started reading it... and your post is redundant once again.

You aren't even a part of this conversation, no point arguing with someone who isn't up to par with the whole concept of things.

I'm the type that believes this and that... LOL you are clueless as to who I am or what I believe in... but you seem to have all these thoughts on what I believe in. Even if I believed in a constant energy force as that is the reality of physics(since you'd like to go there).

How's this... the chances of your house lighting on fire by being struck by lightning are relatively low... in fact most wiring systems divert the pulse through. Ben Franklin created the first lighting rod a long fucking time ago so that shit is just retarded, your house is less likely to start on fire then to start on fire... and how often does lightning hit a house on top of that?

I may not be able to walk through a brick wall but I'm smart enough to understand that brick wall isn't stopping shit just diverting me... or forcing me to get different equipment.

You're on this whole atom bull shit talk and I don't even think you have a clue about what you're babbling about.

Still haven't figured out the definition of Trajectory even after I posted it for you.... sad.

You don't really understand what you're arguing do you? You don't know what I believe yet you have beliefs about what I believe.... LOL.... Not sure you have a leg to stand on my friend.

I'm done beating this dead horse... Good luck on your PUA journey sir. Hopefully one of these days you reach a consciousness that I describe.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Fellas fellas fellas... settle down.

Inject test and all is well.

Thank you for affirming everything I've stated:
[1] Even though the chance of lightning striking your house is small, when it happens, it happens; man can't actually affect whether a thunderstorm will occur or not, and in so, we are not fully masters of our life. The same thing applies to planes falling from the sky, meteorites and earthquakes. Now what we can affect is where and how we build our houses. We must relate ourselves to the laws of nature; no amount of "positive thinking" can change that.

[2] When Benjamin Franklin conceived of ways to channel electric energy, what he did was just that: he observed the facts of the world, and devised a method of interacting with that fact. Happy perception alone does not affect the world. We must assess the world accurately. No matter how much of a purple glasses perspective you put on, the laws of nature such as plate tectonics and electricity are what they are.

Because you cannot take these arguments head-on, you try to chip away at my posts with subjective statements such as: "you have no clue, how sad." I can see that you have a lot of anger in you . . . Might have to put it to use in the gym rather than ranting at my posts.

Mr Marville, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Mr. majika,
you ripped your post from a basic writing that you copy and paste whenever you seek to flame some post without arguing its content. It contains only subjective, personal and speculative disqualifications and 0 reasoning. Appearance without substance.

I brought tons of arguments to this that nobody could ever refute. For instance I countered the point about opportunities by pointing out that we have to seize the opportunities when they present themselves (for example by going to talk to girls in the bar when you are in the bar). Or that wishful thinking cannot affect plate techtonics, and thus our moods and perceptions will not stop earthquakes from destroying our houses. I took the Benjamin Franklin example and showed how it proves everything I've written before.

Now go back playing with your doll-house of Freddy Kreuger miniatures.

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I brought tons of arguments to this that nobody could ever refute./quote]


You also use intelligent sounding words and phrase them as if you are not intelligent.

Put your nose against a supercalifragilisticexpialidocious wall until you come up with something useful to say. All your comments were completely unrelated to the topic.

And Nicola Tesla actually invented electricity.....