As I mentioned above I'm starting this thread because I want there to be somewhere where we can actually help each other. I'm here to discuss my sticking points and receive help from those who can show me the right path, I'm also here to help anyone who might have a particular sticking point and may find that I could help them. STAY OUT THIS THREAD if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute. Now moving on.

If you haven't noticed yet I'm new to the field of pick-up but I'm enthusiastic about it and I've already made my first field report. Check it out. Now my sticking point as of now is that I don't know where I'm at after I do a cold-read. My usual opener is ESP and after a little chit-chat I start "the cube". My thing is I can't get a girl to elaborate on her cube, I want to get her talking more, I was thinking it's because my readings are accurate enough that it scares them that a stranger can tell so much about them from seemingly silly questions.

What do you guys think?

to get her to be more talkative ask her a qualifying question:

PUA: hey do you have a good imagination?
or
PUA: hey how creative are you?
or
PUA: hey, how good are your imaginating skills?

the first one is the best. its better if its a yes or no answer. as she says yes, you say oh i have a great exercise i just learned, its called the cube, bla bla bla.

use the word imagine a lot on your questions. ej: ok, imagine a field, and empty field. now imagine a cube, describe it to me.

ask a lot there too. size, color, density, etc.

this should settle it bro i hope it helps

Jason.

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So I have to build a yes ladder before I qualify her? How would you go about doing this if the girl in question said she has little to no imagination? I actually ran into this problem yesterday when I tried it on this girl I already knew but never really conversed with.

thats a good question bro. i have two answers for you.

the first one has to do with the reality that nothing will be as perfect as it is in your mind. to go and aproach people you have to be flexible, and that in my experience was all about learning theory on my free time during the week and on the weekends, i would go out as i usually do and maybe if the circumstance called for it i would use a pick up tecnique i remembered at the moment and i thought it would be useful at the time. the beautiful thing is the next time you come across a girl that studies of works at something that requiers imagination or creativeness you can do this:

PUA: hey, so what are you studying? / work at?
HER: well im studying arts/cinema/marketing/whatever,
PUA: oh really? (i love that carrer), it takes a lot of imagfination/ creativeness doesnt it?

bum, there you have it. you didnt hesitate cuz it was in your head. it comes to you right when you need it.

the second part is the actual solution rutine for that, thats the inmediate solution, later on with training you may come up with a better one.

PUA: hey, so what are you studying? / work at?
HER: well im studying accountance/whatever,
PUA: oh really? (i love that carrer), thats pretty cool

now, she may say
HER:so what do you study?
PUA: im actually studying x, and on the side i like to read about the human mind a little bit. i actually learned a new exercise, its a personality test, come, let me do it to you.

or she might say nothing. wait 1 or two seconds and build a little tension. look into her eyes, and then brake it looking away and say

PUA: im actually studying x, and on the side i like to read about the human mind a little bit. i actually learned a new exercise, its a personality test, come, let me do it to you.

or just whatever you think will make her agree to do it at that moment. improvise as much as you feel confortable with, and push a little further each time. with time you will become much smoother improvising

hope it helps bro! interesting question.

Jason.

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you already cold read and then applied the cube...
My question is: what do you plan to do after that? What do you expect to happen after that?

Imagine the reverse roll: a girl approaches you cold reads you and then then does the cube to you, what will you do then? will you start kissing and making out with her just after that? (probably I would want to do that but will have nothing to do with the cube or the cold read but on how hot the girl does look like)

My guess that it is not that the readings are so accurate that they scared people, but that in my mind I'll be thinking, WTF wants this person from me, why is he saying all this stuff? is this person trying to sell me some subscription, does this person expect me to give money? WTF should I be telling things about myself to a stranger... Again if the girl is hot I'll do it just because she is hot... not because of the content of what she is telling me.

My suggestion is to have these interesting routines as a life vest ready to use in case of emergency, and about the cube really I would not use it unless I've been already talking for her for at least 30 minutes or so. Is to long, to complex and to personal to share it in a nice serious way to a stranger.

I actually have a question. Maybe you can help. My sticking point has always been after she agrees to go out, and we are like ok i cant this week lets go out next week, the conversation between her agreeing to go out and the date gets pretty boring. I just dont know what to say, i feel like ive gotten to the top of the mountain and now what? You know what i mean?
Do you have any good tips here?

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Lol I guess your right. I need to come up with a better routine for my game but I'm not too sure where to start. I'm reading Mystery Method right now and his stuff is mostly for the club setting. I can't club where I'm at because we're not allowed off base past midnight in Japan, and we can't drink!

Since my routine is obviously not that great, could you show me a routine that has helped you out in the past? It'd be greatly appreciated

I usually don't stay on the phone too long with the girl, make her laugh with a little fluff talk and then handle business. My time is just as important as her time so I don't go waaayyy out left field in order to arrange a date with her. Have you tried skyping? It's a great way for her to keep you in her thought when you don't have the time be with them physically. I've got two HB'S waiting to sleep with me when I come home (swear to god), and the thing is, all I've ever done was SPAM them every now and then. Try it out, tell her to hop on SPAM so you two can just talk and then just have a fun conversation. It's awesome!

Personally I do not like mystery Method because:
1 it becomes boring to me after doing the same thing again and again.
2 on the surface it seems really easy to do because you just stack up routines one after the other and you can practice the routines one by one, but in fact it is really hard because unless you apply all of the routines and details in the correct order you'll end up being just a weird guy, and still you'll always have anxiety of what will you do when you ran out of routines.

Don't get me wrong knowing the cube and some cold reading tricks and some other games is something cool, that can make you a more interesting person to be with... But relying your success on only that will make things really hard for you.

If you are new to this and want to get better fast, go out and introduce yourself to any girl you like, without planning what to say next, once she gives you a response say something... the first thing that comes into your mind. IF your mind gets blank, tell her that your mind just got blank.

I understand where your coming from. I intend to do this the way Style did it, learning from every source I can. To reject the mystery method because it mainly uses routines would be foolish in my opinion. I am aware of the fact that the routines don't show who I truly am as a person but I'm not looking for long term relationships, I want to learn how to socially calibrate through pick up and once I internalize the routines fuse the who pick up process into my personality.

yeah i agree with TheHoodie, plus some of the rutines they teach can make you a little more interesting. the cube is great even to do with your sister or a fiend of anyone, its a fun and interesting thing to do. it will not create attraction it will make you interesting and misterious and that is what creates attraction about the cube, it sets you apart from the lame "can i buy you a drink" kinda guys.

yo thanks for that advice the hoodie, yeah i never used SPAM actually, i should try it. my mac got stollen recentrly so that will have to wait.

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Yeah the cube is great but again I personally would not recommend to use it as a routine...

If you want to have an interesting personality, read, watch and do interesting stuff... and bring this topics, opinions, points of view, test, games, etc. to the interactions that you are having when the moment feels right to do it.
Personally I've no idea how to pay attention and enjoy what is happening in the moment when you have to recite and remember routines.

Lol this is the classic case of natural game vs routine game. Both have their place and we know that without both, pick up wouldn't be where it is today. Personally I feel like the community has suffered do to how easy it is for people to say "routine game is only hindering you in the long run" While not seeing that the pua's who made the foundation for us were mostly men who used routines. After they had the calibration from thousands of hours "routine" practice we have all this information to practice with. I want to bring back the golden era of pick up; when men like Style, Mystery, Matador, and all the other puas kept coming with fresh ideas and insight into what we never knew to look for. It's time to put a close to Natural Game vs Routine Game. We must use all the knowledge available to us share what works and what sucks.

Btw, no one has said anything about what routines would be good for me now that I know that my ESP/CUBE routine gets me no where....Sticking points. Remember guys lol

Hand shake analysis, palm reading, super charging an object, crossing hands and see which thumb is on top, handwriting analysis, etc.

I started when there was no such thing as Natural Game, only SS and MM together with C&F lines... I used it a lot I was able to impress nerdy friends by opening tons of sets and getting lots phone numbers, because that is super easy to do... But sad truth is that I ended up being a weird clown on the eyes of the girls and the few cases I end up taking things physically, it was because the girls were already very drunk and by just standing there and say "HI" I would have achieved the same than with all the routines I used to use.

After a lot of time invested(2.5 years) and a lot of frustration I was able to recover common sense, look at myself and realize how creepy, weird and stupid did I look when I was using the routines.

Nowadays I would really need to see someone in real life (not videos), having constant success with their theories, routines and techniques in order to believe him. So far I haven't seen anybody succeeding and a lot of guys ending up like creeps by using routines, that is the reason I do not recommend them.
With natural game, the success ration is also very low but at least you never end up as a creepy clown.

I feel like we share some of the same views runner. It took me forever to actually start learning pick up because I came in when natural game was hitting it's peak. I thought the same as you do now, "I don't wanna use routines and then have people thinking I'm amazing when in real life my personality is not congruent." But I remember reading about how mystery said using routines congruent with your personality. It makes things a lot easier when I believe that what I'm showing people is an actual part of who I am. Again like I said, I intend to pull wisdom from many sources and make it all into my own.