Hi. I'm stil very new to the game. I've been sarging for 2 months or so now. I have not been successful thus far. Judging upon my own discretion, I think a problem I have is either the delivery of my negs or perhaps I continue to throw negs for to long. So my question is: when is a good time to stop with the negs. How do you know when to stop with the negs? When does negging become to much negging? Can someone please shed some light for me on the art of negging?

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I am one my leige whom had the veil blows and buffets of the world so incensed that I am reckless in my attire

When she hits you in the face with the heel of her shoe, I would stop.

Seriously, The proper response from a neg is laughter. ...if your not getting that. It's NOT working.

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Thanks...I'll keep it in mind.

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I am one my leige whom had the veil blows and buffets of the world so incensed that I am reckless in my attire

Stop when she shows an interest in you and wants to validate. If you neg girls who like you then that's negative feedback and the last thing you want to do.

Thanks Melodic...if I think about it, it makes actually perfect sense since my game usually only turns sour during A3....

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It's all about balance.

The way I see it and the way you posted your concern is that you keep on negging too much. It seems to me you're using neg as a "defense mechanism", and not as a way to make her more hooked on you. Use neg as a bait, but once she takes your bait, don't hurt her anymore (bec. too much neg could really hurt a person's ego), give a little credit / reward if she's "affected" by your neg --- credit is usually laughter, it takes away the pain.

You neg because you don't see her as a perfect human being. That makes everything in this world interesting. Everyone wants to be perfect and they all want to be accepted because this world is harsh and they all expect us to be flawless. Having someone sees our (human beings) flaws but still "accept" us anyhow is a good way to remind ourselves there are still people in this world that we could probably eventually trust (because they see our flaws but talks to us anyway) as long as we get their "approval". Capiche?

Now, with regards to defense mechanism, if you're insecure (which you probably are because you're just new in "the game") if you're using negs, you're coming from the energy of lack and insecurity and this is really strong, people and women would definitely feel this one. So how do you come from the place of abundance? Just stay calm. Be in the now. Be realistic. Don't listen to the small demons that say you're worthless or you're a nobody. There are a lot of people in this world and just think this woman you're speaking with is a "practice" while still doing your best. Don't feel so conscious of if what you're doing is correct or not. Whoever you're negging at the time, one most important thing you have to learn is to:
Have Fun All The Way.

also try negging your sisters and female friends first.

Cool, Thanks Siren. I like the way you remind me of the humane aspects of a woman's being that one still needs to keep in consideration. I tend to get to sucked in by my own agenda or my own reality that I sometimes forget that I'm dealing with another human being. I think to an extent PUA is born from out an ego driven space. For instance I got into the game because I want more woman in my live. I want more sex in my life. I want to become that friend who is capable to chat up the girls and get them to join our parties. So it's all about what I want and who I want to be. And the irony is, girl can smell ego from a mile..and they hate the stink of it. So like you say, I need to find that balance. How to ridicule yourself from your ego in a game that originated from your ego's desires?

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I am one my leige whom had the veil blows and buffets of the world so incensed that I am reckless in my attire

Good post This is the curse of the newbie; The neg safety net. How it works is: A newbie will approach an HB with major worries about their self esteem being dented by a rejection as they feel it as an attack on their very identity and self worth. So what do they do....? They get the rejection in first by aggressively negging the girl and hoping for the best so if the rejection does occur they can say to themselves or their buddys "Haha she took a dislike to me purely because of the hostile negs haha, what a laugh, nothing to do with my personality or looks!"

There are hundreds of posts on negs on this forum but to distill the entire concept into a nutshell here are the core principles.

1/ Negs are only used on a girl when she considers herself to be of perceived higher value than you, you can boost your own value through the use of DHV's to achieve parity or superiority but if you walked into a set instantly spouting DHV's you're going to trigger an auto pilot response.

2/ 95% 0f the time you use a neg will be the first 60 seconds of speaking to your target, until then you have an unknown or floating value and she's autopilot screening you to see what the frame is, by negging her you're destabilising her frame to the extent you can DHV.

3/ If you don't need to neg then don't, think of the neg as a cloaking device akin to the Romulan space ships in Star Trek so you can get close enough to fire your photon DHV torpedos to knock out her autopilot forcefield. If she doesn't have autopilot radar or a forcefield you're going to blow her to bits. (and not be able to "board" her)

4/ Throw a neg just as you would a pebble into the sea with no concern where it lands.

5/ The hotter the girl the more negs you need up to a maximum of three, that's for the HB10's.

6/ After you neg under no circumstances wait for a reaction, just flow straight into the next thing you're about to say. You're the one with higher value and you have no concerns about her reaction. There's a psychological trick involved with this part. By negging then instantly barreling through with the conversation you're using up her cognitive buffer just like hackers do to gain entry to a system so the girls has to store the neg unconsciously as her conscious mind is being fully utilised in keeping up with the conversation. Once it is in the unconscious it's in a part of the brain called the Amygdala and that's where our values, beliefs, emotions and most of the autopilot attraction circuitry is held. Just where you want it to be.

7/ When the girls starts to validate herself then the neg has served its purpose and you swicth to DHV's to leverage the value elicitation mechanism.

8/ Don't neg any HB7's or under, it just upsets the girls and makes you look a twat, we're seducers not players.

Thank you Melodical for sharing all this information with me. To be honost I'm a very Zen kind of guy...so the negs were actually the least favorite part of my game. Now that I have a clearer understanding regarding the principles of negs, it feels as if a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. In regards to principle number 1, without trying to sound as if I'm boasting...I'm an actor, whom has made a few debuts on South african television...so its not very often that a girl will perceive herself as higher value than me...I now only realize that I've actually been an asshole for no reason. Thank you.

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I am one my leige whom had the veil blows and buffets of the world so incensed that I am reckless in my attire

I like the explanation of negs provided here. It has made certain aspects of it much clearer. I like the idea of the neg as a setup for a DHV reframe, and not just as an end in itself. The idea of continuing on w the conversation immediately and not waiting or a response to it makes a lot of sense. Also I agree with the response that you are looking for from a neg should be laughter. When I get this response it feels the most natural and effective.

This question is too open ended to answer via a forum post. However, I can give you a few tidbits to ponder.

1. I teach my female clients about "negging". They know that a guy who negs them is just admitting their own inferiority or insecurity around them. Thus, you need to have good intuition about who you are applying this technique to. It may have the opposite effect that you desire.

2. Most "negging" techniques I've seen are fairly primitive and will work only on women where virtually any other technique would too. For example, the famous PUA Mystery supposedly carried lint and put it on a girl to make them feel less secure about their outfit. Or, he would tell them some other girl was wearing the same outfit as them.

I'm not saying those techniques won't lower the self-esteem of some women, but I am saying that such fragile women are likely to respond to almost ANY type of attention...so negging is not your only option. Try something else with lower risk first.

3. We teach guys a more sophisticated and creative approach that accomplishes much of the same goals as "negging". It's a two step process.

First, it actually entails complimenting the woman first (without going overboard) and then throwing in a caveat or "neg" later.

For example, the owner of our firm - Optimacy - also has a clothing line. He knows a lot about fashion, so he usually compliments a women first on her sense of style. This eventually leads to him discussing his clothing line, which gives him and his previous compliment tons of authority and impact. Then, once they have established some rapport, he then mentions something like..."I love your outfit, but I think we need to go shopping for even better [shoes, purse, necklace, etc]" He just chooses something that is easily changeable by the person and not something that hits too close to home or is something that person can't change about themselves.

In the end, the girls almost always end up agreeing with him and asking his advice about other things they are wearing. It's brilliant because he somewhat 'negged' them, but they are actually feeling thankful and look up to him because he established such credibility in the process.

It won't work identical for everyone, but you can apply similar techniques by choosing something you know a lot about. For example, if you are an athlete, maybe you can first compliment a girl on her fitness (pick a body part that may stand out to you, don't be general or use stereotypical lines like "you are beautiful").

You could say something like... "Those are impressive calves...I usually only see calves like that on race day"

Then, you will be amazed how easy the conversation flows naturally into the topic of fitness and triathloans where you can establish credibility. Here's a BIG SECRET...It doesn't look like bragging if you talk about something you're good at AFTER complimenting the other person in that area first.

Hopefully, get the picture from here, but feel free to PM me if you have more questions.

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Thank you Optimacy for the great advice...I'll definitely give it a try.

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I am one my leige whom had the veil blows and buffets of the world so incensed that I am reckless in my attire

Wow, sometimes people make this way more "wordy" and difficult than it needs to be.

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This was actually my first post the forum (other than the "introduce yourself").

Sorry if it was "too wordy" and "difficult" for you. I was writing it to the OP who seemed to digest it just fine and was thankful.

The issue isn't the length of the post, the issue is whether it is helpful or not.

However, I'm open to learning all I can from someone named "Heywood Jablowme"

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