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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:31 pm 
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Even thou this could be referred to in the Inner game section or in the anxietys one; I decided to post it in here because I think we can make this for fun and maybe more fokes will post to it.

So here is the deal: there`s this method in psychology fields called "Systematic desensitization"; and it`s something we as men need to talk about and apply to our lives.

Coming back from the university in the bus I heard a little girl crying, she was about 2 or 3 years old, and all she was yelling was: " I don`t want to." Over and over again while crying.

You can learn a LOT from babys and little kids. Guess what guys? We DON`T WANT TO!

We don`t want to expose ourselves, we don`t want to live that experience that could change our whole point of view, hell even our lifestyle.

I referred to the little kid because I think she was yelling for not wanting to go to kindergarden, and I remembered those were my thoughts exactly when I first separeted from my mom when I was a little kid, all alone in kinder and crying for my mom to come and get me.

I also remember the fun I had right after she left and I started playing with other kids, exposing myself to a new world and leaving my fears behind me.

This is what Systematic desensitization talks about. In fact, I still am a little kid in some regards.

The idea of the topic is for you to confess what your deep fear is at the moment, and let`s face it, we all have some around women and God knows how many other subjects.

So I`d like to start confessing I`m affraid about kiss closing girls.
Inside my head there is no logic to it, it`s like I might have a good night or I might not. It`s not up to me; when on the other hand my logical brain tells me there is things you can do and say to make a girl WANT to kiss you.

I think my fear of rejection on kiss closing is limiting me, and my lack of will to expose myself to it it`s giving me a hard time.

I`d like for you guys to comment on other users fears and perhaps different methods of desensitization to the situation that scares him the most.

The one thing that`s stopping us from greatness it`s our own ego`s, the fear it feels for achieving things.
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Even thou this could be referred to in the Inner game section or in the anxietys one; I decided to post it in here because I think we can make this for fun and maybe more fokes will post to it.

So here is the deal: there`s this method in psychology fields called "Systematic desensitization"; and it`s something we as men need to talk about and apply to our lives.

Coming back from the university in the bus I heard a little girl crying, she was about 2 or 3 years old, and all she was yelling was: " I don`t want to." Over and over again while crying.

You can learn a LOT from babys and little kids. Guess what guys? We DON`T WANT TO!

We don`t want to expose ourselves, we don`t want to live that experience that could change our whole point of view, hell even our lifestyle.

I referred to the little kid because I think she was yelling for not wanting to go to kindergarden, and I remembered those were my thoughts exactly when I first separeted from my mom when I was a little kid, all alone in kinder and crying for my mom to come and get me.

I also remember the fun I had right after she left and I started playing with other kids, exposing myself to a new world and leaving my fears behind me.

This is what Systematic desensitization talks about. In fact, I still am a little kid in some regards.

The idea of the topic is for you to confess what your deep fear is at the moment, and let`s face it, we all have some around women and God knows how many other subjects.

So I`d like to start confessing I`m affraid about kiss closing girls.
Inside my head there is no logic to it, it`s like I might have a good night or I might not. It`s not up to me; when on the other hand my logical brain tells me there is things you can do and say to make a girl WANT to kiss you.

I think my fear of rejection on kiss closing is limiting me, and my lack of will to expose myself to it it`s giving me a hard time.

I`d like for you guys to comment on other users fears and perhaps different methods of desensitization to the situation that scares him the most.

The one thing that`s stopping us from greatness it`s our own ego`s, the fear it feels for achieving things.
Let`s kill it!
Awesome post man


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:15 pm 
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Haha, the last line of your post made me chuckle... Because one's ego is also the biggest hindrance in improv theatre. I'm discovering parallels between improv and pickup each day... but I can also draw many things from pickup that help me in teaching improv, so it's a win-win-situation :D
A lot like you, closing is probably one of my fears. I'm very good with words and body language, but I seem to miss the moment when it's time to kiss-close.


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Haha, the last line of your post made me chuckle... Because one's ego is also the biggest hindrance in improv theatre. I'm discovering parallels between improv and pickup each day... but I can also draw many things from pickup that help me in teaching improv, so it's a win-win-situation :D
A lot like you, closing is probably one of my fears. I'm very good with words and body language, but I seem to miss the moment when it's time to kiss-close.
I read a book on Improv and Creativity and I swear it was one of the most ruthless dissections of social dynamics and personal expression I've read. Body language, value transactions, creativity, expression, uninhibiting yourself etc. It seems like Theatre is the perfect lab or controlled evironment for experimenting with social interactions. Scares the hell out of me though lol, I guess I need to go try it


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Haha, the last line of your post made me chuckle... Because one's ego is also the biggest hindrance in improv theatre. I'm discovering parallels between improv and pickup each day... but I can also draw many things from pickup that help me in teaching improv, so it's a win-win-situation :D
A lot like you, closing is probably one of my fears. I'm very good with words and body language, but I seem to miss the moment when it's time to kiss-close.
I read a book on Improv and Creativity and I swear it was one of the most ruthless dissections of social dynamics and personal expression I've read. Body language, value transactions, creativity, expression, uninhibiting yourself etc. It seems like Theatre is the perfect lab or controlled evironment for experimenting with social interactions. Scares the hell out of me though lol, I guess I need to go try it
I've been playing and teaching improv for about three years now... If you're ever interested in trying it, come to Switzerland and let me know, I'll arrange something with my improv crew ;)


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I've been playing and teaching improv for about three years now... If you're ever interested in trying it, come to Switzerland and let me know, I'll arrange something with my improv crew ;)
Ha cheers man, would love to make it out your way at some point! Can definitely imagine that experience makes a big difference. I'm totally the opposite to you two. Closing is simples but opening and trusting my brain not to say something completely retarded is another thing :D


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I've been playing and teaching improv for about three years now... If you're ever interested in trying it, come to Switzerland and let me know, I'll arrange something with my improv crew ;)
Ha cheers man, would love to make it out your way at some point! Can definitely imagine that experience makes a big difference. I'm totally the opposite to you two. Closing is simples but opening and trusting my brain not to say something completely retarded is another thing :D
Sounds like we could benefit from each other :D Like I said, let me know and we'll figure something out ;)


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Ok this is how I think people should approach limiting fears in general, I've done a lot of research on it because it interests me but I'm still testing in out so take it with a pinch of salt. As I said this is general, not aimed at the guys problems above in particular.

The 100% best method: Just go do what you are afraid of. Simples. Unfortunately though sometimes we just can't force ourselves to do this so below is the next best thing:

Step 1: Consciously acknowledge your particular fear. Admit that you are guilty of that fear but do not be ashamed of it. Realise that you are just human and for god's sake love yourself!

The biggest problem with most men in solving these issues is that we don't want to admit having them. We are desperate to not be seen as vulnerable. We especially do not want to be seen as weak. The ego is always protecting itself. Rene Brown has a TED speech where she talks about vulnerability and how it is one of the most important factors in being a happy person. We have to be willing to accept vulnerability if we want to truly connect with others or to ourselves grow. What is forever tied to vulnerability, and what is it's greatest enemy, is shame. Shame is the feeling that you are not good enough, not worthy, that there is something wrong with you. There's nothing wrong with you at all. There might be something wrong with the information you have on a fear, the life experiences with that fear, your perception of that fear, the way you've acted in the face of that fear, but there's nothing wrong with you as person, you're just human, we all have different irrational problems and fears. You can feel guilty about having this problem but you shouldn't feel shame. Now this sounds like airy fairy bullshit but I think it is an important starting point. With guilt you can stick your hand up, apologise to yourself, yeah man I've fucked up, and go about determinedly making it right. With shame people try to bury their heads in the ground and hide from the problem.

Logically deconstruct that fear

Is there a logical reason for me to be afraid of that? Why am I afraid. When is it right or wrong to do take this action. Really think about it in depth and keep going deeper and deeper in to the problem, why?why?why? until on a logical conscious level there is not doubt in your mind. I personally could write a whole page on the inner game of kissing girls for example. Logically there's no doubt in my head, I know when it's right and when it's wrong.

Become informed in how to deal with the situation where you experience that fear

Go out and fill your brain with expert information on that situation. Afraid of going for the kiss with girls? Watch PUA videos on kiss closing. Afraid of handling snakes? Read about how to handle a snake safely, watch videos of the pro's doing it. The point is to take away from your mind the excuse "Dude I don't know what to do". There's no excuses now, the only barrier is consciously pushing through your fear.

Gain secondary reference experience that validates your new information or beliefs

E.g If your limiting belief is that girls won't date bald guys, walk through town and look for examples of bald guys with chicks. Look for it in films, your friends, adverts, anywhere. If you see anything going against that new belief you know that example is arbitrary (e.g bald guy gets rejected, it because his approach was shit, not because he's bald) and you don't even register it. Anything going against your new beliefs does not even register in your reality

Gain first hand reference experience

The hard bit. Put yourself in a situation where you experience that fear or limiting belief and consciously step though it. Every time you do that and find yourself alive on the other side of it, you grow immeasurably as a person. Every time you cower to that fear, the fear grows and strengthens. There's two options with this point, jumping in the deep end of fear or dipping your toe in and progressively getting used to the cold water. Jumping in the deep end is more powerful but harder to do and if you avoid it or it goes wrong you can reinforce the fear. Progressive is slower but there's less chance of you avoiding or messing up and strengthening the fear. E.g deep end for a guy scared of kissing would be to run up to a girl in the street and try to kiss her withing 10 seconds. Progressive would be to say that I'm going to try and kiss close every girl I spend more than 20 minutes talking to at some point in the interaction, then gradually moving the time limit down and down. You can also try and do a mix of the two. For kiss closing I'd say try and kiss every single girl you hook or get submissive body language from. You'll blow some sets but be surprised at how much you can actually get away with and after some have gone well, some have bad, you'll be fairly well calibrated and confident. I'd also say that if you do bottle taking on a fear in any situation, don't let yourself feel comfortable about it otherwise your brain will associate comfort with avoidance. Nip yourself hard, or have your friend punch you or something every time you bottle.


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And in the spirit of the thread, my stupid fears;

-Being judged as weird/creepy/weak by anyone in my social group.

-Spiders

-Spiderwomen

-Talking on the phone (I hate calling girls, way prefer texting). Not confident conversationally maybe?

-People listening to me when I'm having a conversation with someone else, especially if I'm chatting up a girl or on the phone and someone else is listening in.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:31 pm 
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- Totally agree!!
- Biggest fear is having girls feel that im creepy and telling their friends about it and then everyone everywhere thinkin that im a creep

(Similar situation happened in high school and now im mind fucked)


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Interesting post, nice!

My fears:

Calling girls, I also prefer texting
Gaming while completely sober (and therefore daygame)
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Desensitisation to violence happens in children whose fathers are violent towards their mother or children from war torn countries who are exposed to bloody faces and dismembered bodies.

Recreating this over-exposure with calling girls and trying to kiss them is the only way to overcome your fears. Pull a girl towards you and don't give up if she avoids your kiss. If she remains next to you after your first attempt and doesn't slap you etc. it's still on. Kiss her cheek or neck instead. Build up comfort from there and try again. Try to imagine the worst possible scenario. You go in for the kiss, she screams, everybody in the club turns to look at you, she slaps you, throws a drink in your face and everyone starts pointing and laughing at you. Anything that really happens will seem tame in comparison.


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My biggest fear is that after a f-marathon, a jealous girl will chop off my cock and cut off my tongue. Because of this fear, I've developed a tight screen out strategy as well as a solid exit strategy. I've been threatened several times and stalked several times that I don't just f-close anyone even when the opportunity to f-close is right there staring me in the eye.

I also fear having chlamydia or gonorrhea in my eye or mouth that I make sure a girl is less likely to have STD before I f-close since I love eating pussies.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:13 pm 
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My biggest fear is that after a f-marathon, a jealous girl will chop off my cock and cut off my tongue. Because of this fear, I've developed a tight screen out strategy as well as a solid exit strategy. I've been threatened several times and stalked several times that I don't just f-close anyone even when the opportunity to f-close is right there staring me in the eye.

I also fear having chlamydia or gonorrhea in my eye or mouth that I make sure a girl is less likely to have STD before I f-close since I love eating pussies.

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Giving another meaning to screening :D


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While in this particular regard, as a whole, I don't have any things that I fear, I suppose that I am a bit too self conscious about my body, as I'm kinda fat. However, ever since I've stumbled upon game and pick up, I have started working out and improving the things I don't like about my body constantly.
With what I said at the start of this reply, I can understand how some of you might disagree with me, and think that not having any "fears" is next to impossible, but when I was younger I came to the realization that giving a fuck, and at the same time, taking things too seriously, are both very counter productive, and I somehow succesfully managed to desensitize myself to any sort of social and cultural demands. From my point of view, this, if reached, is one of the best places to be in life. This moment got far too emotional for me, so I'm gonna go out and kill a squirrel to regain my manliness. Cheers.


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