So my Ex comes round last night we been talking lately till early hours of the morning and its been nice so invited her over with a few friends and this is what happened

we had a really good night listening to music with a few pals of mine, and i said to her my hands need to be busy, come here grabbed her legs and started giving her a leg rub, which she didnt stop me (and we used to do when we where together)we talked about anything really lol lots of stuff, and like our plans for the next day, she said she was clubbing and i talked about being out iceskating with a work friend, then she started talking about not sure if i can be bothered etc etc,...(fishing for an invite to be with me i think :/ but i didnt offer thought i could maybe use it later on that night seeing how things go ya no)

After that started playing and rubbing her hands lightly touch and half hold, when i pulled away and out my hand back she put her back in mine again and then we where, drawing faces with my finger on her hand, and she was doing the same back to me just like faces and "hi" on my hand, i draw an "X" on her hand and said it was a kiss so she draw "O,X" on mine, for hugs and kisses ....

after that got her to spin around on the sofa, and rubbed her shouldered and neck while she was lent up against me, running my hand down the centre front of her top n up her chest, between her boobs and she didnt stop me, still doing this and listening to music, it got to about 4 am!!! my mates said im gunna go, and she said yea me too i gotta get up early, he left and she stayed sat on my lap (another good sign) we laughed and jokes a little more, and she started going "what, what, what" all the time joking around dont no how it started so i got straight in her face...(she is still sat on me just leaning back at this point) i went up nose to nose, said "nothing , nothing nothing" teasing, she giggled started doing it again so i moved in touching noses held it there for a little second then went to kiss her!!!....AND SHE PULLED AWAY saying "dont" !!!!

i went back to laughing bout something so did she, and i went "oh dear what are we doing" and she responded with " i thought we where being mates until you tried to kiss me"....i just said "yea felt right in the moment doent wanna now how weird" and she said "yea i no that feeling, lets just forget it" and i went "forget what lol"... we laughed for a little longer like 20 minutes she sat up saying i should go, i said alright let me no when u get home, and just stay sat there and she stood there kinda looking at me and put her arms out, i went "oh hug yea ill stand up" gave her a big hug she left bout 10 minutes later i get this text " Home and in bed, night x"

totally confused now any advise, cause u dont tend to get that close and touchy and "nice" with friends lol....but if u want more you dont tend to dart away from kisses either

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There's your biggest mistake right there. You wanted to kiss her, but then you broke the tension by saying you didnt want to, you even said it was weird?? WTF? You backtracked when she shit-tested you, so she lost confidence in you.

If you want to lay this girl again, cut off contact with her, say you cannot see her as just a friend, only in a sexual way. Go no contact. She will chase eventually if she wants it, if not leave it and move on. If you don't want to lay her (she's an ex for a reason!), don't do all the cuddling and touching. Either be a proper friend or a proper lover. Choose one. Right now you are hanging awkwardly between the two, indecisively unsure what you want.

thank you, if i can get this situation to happen again??? advise oh how to act differently if she pulls back again?

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Any advise on how to deal with this shit test or similar if it happens again??? what should i have done or said? ? ? !!!

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Try to kiss again, if she resists, say "I can't help it. Our chemistry is so strong I can't resist you. I wish we could just be friends, but we can't. If friendship is all you are looking for, feel free to leave right now."

If she doesn't leave, thats your green light to go for the kiss again and fuck her.

she strikes me as the kinda girl that even if she didnt leave would just start talking or finding excuse, i assume i am to ignore all of this and just take it as she has still stayed ??? or should i tell her ssshhh and kiss again etc??? game plan building here if im honest lol

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Yes exactly bruv, ignore her token resistance and escalate!

You got played. Let's see. Girl lets guy give her a nice rub and doesn't have to do anything back...um. Okay.

If you aren't boinking a girl's brains out never rub anything of hers. She knows what she is doing. She is turning you on and enjoying the power over you. Next time do routines on her. If she doesn't accept sexual escalation then freeze her out.

she did say she will give me the massage next time so not a total loss i guess

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Let us know if that happens.

well we have just exchanged a few message she text me, told her im doing alright, but that im crazy busy, txt me later and will continue the conversation at mine

so will see what happens i guess, see if she bites and texts me later lol

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Ok Update on this one, she came over again she DID give me a nice shoulder massage and back massage we had some food take away paid half and half, watched a movie and i started giving her another one with her trousers off and notice that she was definitely liking the sensation (wet patches ) lol i tease her a little and then said let move to the bed n have a cuddle with the movie...

she did move, and we cuddled up in nothing but underwear, i thought i would test her compliance a little more, told her to kiss my neck, and she asked "why", i said well u get to feel nice (cause i was rubbing her back) why shouldn't I...so she did but it was a very quick peck, and then put her head back down on my shoulder i rubbed her back for a little longer undoing her bra, to make it easier which she didnt stop me, but didnt remove it either... then i had to be somewhere so i covered up my face made a comment bout respect is a rare thing nowadays she got her bra back on and thought she was gunna get dressed as she took a while said ok im decent, i uncovered my face to find her still in underwear just sat on the bed i laughed and she went...well decent enough for me lol...we got dressed had a little hug goodbye, went our own way....

i was visiting a family member in hospital, who she knows and asked me about so i sent her a text saying there all ok looking good will hopefully be out tomo, and she responded with thats brilliant xx and thats all the communication we have had since the event...

where do i take it from here

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Some questions and comments. Why did you break up? Who dumped who?

Obviously she really likes intimacy with you. It also seems that she feels very comfortable.

I was reading this post chief-s-guide-to-outer-game-vt75887.html and probably the complacency part would be helpful.

What I did with my ex was I was touching her stomach, breasts, and ass while she was talking. I created a little pattern where I moved very rhythmically from breasts to stomach to ass, but then as I made a completely random remark and I suddenly moved to play with the back of her head. This completely threw her off of her train of thought and I could see in her eyes that she was suddenly very turned on. She couldn't even remember what she'd been saying 30 seconds before.

My advice is two ways: If you want to get back with her, evaluate what went wrong, see if it's better now, if not and you just want sex then the game.

Ask her to give you a massage, like you did. Ask her to kiss you and such. Ask her to get you some water. Just keep asking her to do things, not in a weird way, but in a nice way. Create touch patterns and rhythms and do something unexpected. For example, while you are on the couch together take her hand and rub it, then let it go, then put out your hand again, when she reaches for it, act like you are going take it and the moment you touch it, switch both hands to rubbing her ears. You are trying to create and break patterns, which is really hard for the mind to handle.

The point is that when she is with you she has some rules, which is we can touch, play, be intimate, have fun, but no sex. So you need to get her really off balance and out of thinking and into being flooded with hormones. Once she stops being able to make complete sentences then you can kiss her and then pull back and tell her you don't know what came over you and other things to give her the idea that it's her sexiness that is making you crazy.

Push and pull, take her off balance, and continued sexual escalation.

Anyway, sounds like things are progressing in an interesting way.

Thank you for this excellent reply very helpful mate, ill definitely try some of these things and the stuff that went wrong has been fixed it was me changing and ive kinda sorted that, she has even said she has started to see the old me, but she then says "it will never be the same we arnt the same people anymore we have both changed etc" ....

i would like her back relationship that is the final goal definitely, but i also know she is the type of girl that build strong attractions through sexual contact, so if we where to have sex she would definitely be easy to get back into everything else as well!!!

and yea i want sex with this stunning hb8 - hb9 when she puts effort into it lol...

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Just something I thought of. I think if you want her back you have to change her opinion of you. This is really hard to do because we get into communication habits with our partners. Also girls usual take control of what is talked about, which is kind of normal.

I went to see a girl I know who kept telling me how different I was (from 3 weeks ago). All that happened was that I noticed that our conversation had gotten boring, so I was negging her joking with what she was saying, which helped her feel comfortable enough to neg me.

It was clear she was having fun again and that changed her view of me. I think you have to completely reset things. Really run your full game on her. Pretend that you know nothing about her. Ask her things like, "where are you from?" Then joke about her answers, using things that are private between you, but act like you just guessed it. Also, control each interaction so she has to re-explain things that she knows you know. For example, she wants to tell you about a girlfriend, you ask who is this girl and are they lovers, etc.

She'll understand that you are creating a new universe for her to come into where she is allowed to reframe and redefine who she is with you. Stay away from all discussions of old issues and keep playing this game.