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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:21 pm 
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Need advice on what to do next time to avoid same result:
At bar for friends birthday, already saw a bunch of people I knew their. Start by building social proof (body language, talking to different people, getting some laughs, etc.)
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Cute drunk chick opens up me and my friend. He instantaneously starts gaming her with ease. I let him do his thing, remain largely unresponsive, body rock, interject occasionally to neg. leave to get more booze, return and she's 100% focused on me, maintain body language and smile more, answer her questions, ask a few of my own, mostly about the town she grew up in where I also went to college. Don't have to do much talking cause she's drunk enough to be totally unfiltered.

Attempt to isolate and gauge compliance by going outside to smoke, she responds "oh I'll come with you!" Compliance test 1 check. Escalate kino lightly (high fives, touch elbow, hug when significant commonalities are identified, touch shoulder.)

She invites me to after party at friend's house. Agree to go with her and friends. Leave bar with her.

Once we turned the corner from the bar and some privacy I asked how invested she is in party. She asks why I ask, I say we should just go party at my house. She's explains that we could, but she really wants to wish her friend a happy birthday and that I will get to meet new ppl (I'm new to the nightlife in my area) and receive free booze. I agree to go reluctantly, and she talks my here off the whole way their.

^this was frustrating. I think my mistake was how I spoke to her: I used my words to present my desires as a question; I should have used them only to make her stop walking and let my body do the rest of the talking (I.e. cut her off " hold up a sec" brush hair out of face "you talk to much" ( I find this little is sufficient if you received enough iois and compliance 90%) kiss, THEN suggest we party at my house) Or would that have been to much to fast? Or is my wondering that simply the same hesitance that screwed me? Anyway

Reach party, begin rebuilding social proof as she introduces me, let her go off and do her thing with her friends while I mingle and network, make new friends etc. reconvene in her friends living room whet she's insists I join her on the worlds most uncomfortable couch. Have arm around her, she responds by moving closer, continues talking to me, am about to cut her off and k-close when we are interrupted by mutual friends who join us in the living room. She flits off to kitchen. I hang back, not gonna be a puppy dog that clings to some drunk pussy. Mingle in living room, move to kitchen as party thins out over next 15 minutes (it was like 2 am). She's not there. Hear music downstairs, also not their. She peaced, didn't even say bye.

That being said, I made it an opportunity to build social proof so it wasn't a total loss, met some cool people and made plans to jam metal with ppl. But still, it wasn't exactly what I thought I was getting? What should I do differently next time?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:17 pm 
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Need advice on what to do next time to avoid same result:
At bar for friends birthday, already saw a bunch of people I knew their. Start by building social proof (body language, talking to different people, getting some laughs, etc.)
Check.
Cute drunk chick opens up me and my friend. He instantaneously starts gaming her with ease. I let him do his thing, remain largely unresponsive, body rock, interject occasionally to neg. leave to get more booze, return and she's 100% focused on me, maintain body language and smile more, answer her questions, ask a few of my own, mostly about the town she grew up in where I also went to college. Don't have to do much talking cause she's drunk enough to be totally unfiltered.

Attempt to isolate and gauge compliance by going outside to smoke, she responds "oh I'll come with you!" Compliance test 1 check. Escalate kino lightly (high fives, touch elbow, hug when significant commonalities are identified, touch shoulder.)

She invites me to after party at friend's house. Agree to go with her and friends. Leave bar with her.

Once we turned the corner from the bar and some privacy I asked how invested she is in party. She asks why I ask, I say we should just go party at my house. She's explains that we could, but she really wants to wish her friend a happy birthday and that I will get to meet new ppl (I'm new to the nightlife in my area) and receive free booze. I agree to go reluctantly, and she talks my here off the whole way their.

^this was frustrating. I think my mistake was how I spoke to her: I used my words to present my desires as a question; I should have used them only to make her stop walking and let my body do the rest of the talking (I.e. cut her off " hold up a sec" brush hair out of face "you talk to much" ( I find this little is sufficient if you received enough iois and compliance 90%) kiss, THEN suggest we party at my house) Or would that have been to much to fast? Or is my wondering that simply the same hesitance that screwed me? Anyway

Reach party, begin rebuilding social proof as she introduces me, let her go off and do her thing with her friends while I mingle and network, make new friends etc. reconvene in her friends living room whet she's insists I join her on the worlds most uncomfortable couch. Have arm around her, she responds by moving closer, continues talking to me, am about to cut her off and k-close when we are interrupted by mutual friends who join us in the living room. She flits off to kitchen. I hang back, not gonna be a puppy dog that clings to some drunk pussy. Mingle in living room, move to kitchen as party thins out over next 15 minutes (it was like 2 am). She's not there. Hear music downstairs, also not their. She peaced, didn't even say bye.

That being said, I made it an opportunity to build social proof so it wasn't a total loss, met some cool people and made plans to jam metal with ppl. But still, it wasn't exactly what I thought I was getting? What should I do differently next time?
Was she drunk? lol if she drank a little TOO much, she might have felt like she was gonna throw up and didn't want to do it infront of you. Otherwise, I really wouldn't see where you went wrong unless you are leaving something out. Somewhere on the couch, she lost her comfort level with you.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:43 pm 
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Was she drunk? lol if she drank a little TOO much, she might have felt like she was gonna throw up and didn't want to do it infront of you. Otherwise, I really wouldn't see where you went wrong unless you are leaving something out. Somewhere on the couch, she lost her comfort level with you.[/quote]

I think your onto something. I think it might have been the arm. I feel like it introduces this weird courtship frame that comes off as to literally clingy and middle school for a drunk hookup. Probably should have skipped it and gone straight for the kiss. I think I'm going to cut that from my game or at least be far more sparing with its use, it just seems like it sends the wronged sage on a casual hookup and telegraphs to much interest in the wrong way. If I just wanna fuck why bother acting cutesy like that?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:08 am 
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Was she drunk? lol if she drank a little TOO much, she might have felt like she was gonna throw up and didn't want to do it infront of you. Otherwise, I really wouldn't see where you went wrong unless you are leaving something out. Somewhere on the couch, she lost her comfort level with you.
I think your onto something. I think it might have been the arm. I feel like it introduces this weird courtship frame that comes off as to literally clingy and middle school for a drunk hookup. Probably should have skipped it and gone straight for the kiss. I think I'm going to cut that from my game or at least be far more sparing with its use, it just seems like it sends the wronged sage on a casual hookup and telegraphs to much interest in the wrong way. If I just wanna fuck why bother acting cutesy like that?[/quote]

I'll tell you WHY... Putting your arm AROUND her is kinda like "pulling her towards you" which is something you NEVER want to do. Instead, try pushing on her shoulder (playfully of course... This isn't MMA lol) and let her come back into you. Then escalate. Every IOI you give her should be followed with a slight IOD to let her know that shes WINNING you, but she hasnt WON yet. That's how it works all the way up until you stick it inside of her lol I use alot of micro calibration in my game and I have found THAT works the best. It lets her have fun trying to chase you and she won't feel like a slut. You want it to seem like SHE initiated each move... Not you. Once she feels like you are trying to "get some" she will get scared and run off.

I had a similar thing happen to me at a bar and I KNEW exactly what I did as soon as it happened. I met this girl and her friend out there, pretty much ignored the friend (bad move) and I was kissing on my target, grabbing her ass, we were getting all touchy feely and when I pulled her instead of pushing her, within SECONDS she gave me a pat on the arm and said "I've gotta go to the bathroom" I knew what just happened and said to myself immediately... "Fuck" lol

Glad you see it as a learning experience instead of a loss. I hate posts on here where guys ask "WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO GET HER BACK?!" .... Ya fucked up. Onto the next one lol


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:41 am 
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I'll tell you WHY... Putting your arm AROUND her is kinda like "pulling her towards you" which is something you NEVER want to do. Instead, try pushing on her shoulder (playfully of course... This isn't MMA lol) and let her come back into you. Then escalate. Every IOI you give her should be followed with a slight IOD to let her know that shes WINNING you, but she hasnt WON yet. That's how it works all the way up until you stick it inside of her lol I use alot of micro calibration in my game and I have found THAT works the best. It lets her have fun trying to chase you and she won't feel like a slut. You want it to seem like SHE initiated each move... Not you. Once she feels like you are trying to "get some" she will get scared and run off.

That's good advice. Honestly, probably my biggest stick pointing is demonstrating interest to easily and to consistently once I believe I'm "in". It's connected to a larger character flaw, namely impatience. I think it's important to be able to reach out and grab what you want, but theirs also an art to it. I'll try to bare that in mind next time.

As for not dwelling, the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else. Moping isn't attractive or productive. Also helps to have positive support and constructive criticism


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:44 am 
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I'll tell you WHY... Putting your arm AROUND her is kinda like "pulling her towards you" which is something you NEVER want to do. Instead, try pushing on her shoulder (playfully of course... This isn't MMA lol) and let her come back into you. Then escalate. Every IOI you give her should be followed with a slight IOD to let her know that shes WINNING you, but she hasnt WON yet. That's how it works all the way up until you stick it inside of her lol I use alot of micro calibration in my game and I have found THAT works the best. It lets her have fun trying to chase you and she won't feel like a slut. You want it to seem like SHE initiated each move... Not you. Once she feels like you are trying to "get some" she will get scared and run off.

That's good advice. Honestly, probably my biggest stick pointing is demonstrating interest to easily and to consistently once I believe I'm "in". It's connected to a larger character flaw, namely impatience. I think it's important to be able to reach out and grab what you want, but theirs also an art to it. I'll try to bare that in mind next time.

As for not dwelling, the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else. Moping isn't attractive or productive. Also helps to have positive support and constructive criticism
Patience is a virtue, young grasshopper. LOL keep up the good work man


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