I'm usually pretty decent at striking up conversations with women, but the one sure-fire way I've found of getting impolitely rejected every time is by doing the following:

Walking up to a woman--usually at a coffeeshop while I'm working on my laptop--and telling her I'm taking a short break from my work and I need her to distract me/entertain me for a few minutes.

Seemed innocent and charming enough--as in, hey, I'm working hard cuz I'm important and I'm trying to relax for a few minutes and you seem like a good person to relax with--but apparently they hate this. Only times women have actually been outwardly rude to me is when I've said this.

Anyone have any ideas why this has proven 100% failure every time? Obviously, this proves not to do it. But I think it's good to know which openers are disasters so we can make sure to steer clear of whatever is wrong with them.

I think it's because I've offered her nothing of interest and I'm basically asking HER to entertain me. And also makes her seem like I'm just using her for a distraction. Thoughts?

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Don't try any canned openers. Waste of yours and her time. Only opener you need is honesty.

Rofl. Of course it fails. You're putting the onus on the girl to entertain you. Why would she do that? You should be the one entertaining her.

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Good point.

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buddy. I been doing this a long time and I would consider openers something I'm an expert at

I actually don't think it's that bad. There will be a small sample of girls who will like your confidence (arrogance)

when you find one that likes it, you can seduce her quicker. It's kind of an extreme tactic but unique enough it will eventually work. However, I don't recommend using it b/c it will have low percentage appeal to the masses

I'm obviously not an expert but I'd say in a Coffee shop environment, if it's just one girl, just open by making it very relative to the context.

E.g

If she was standing behind you in the line, open by saying
You: "ahhh I could so use this Espresso already. Had to deal with 3 clients today"

Her (probably): "hahaha i know right"

or Her: "oohhh.. what do you do?"

Either way, Ice is broken, she hasn't rejected you and you should be able to DHV.

the last post is ok, I would take out about the part that you had to deal with 3 clients already .It sounds like he's complaining. Girls don't like complainers.

If she's sitting down and you are sitting down somewhere else and she's drinking something, probably the simplest way to handle it with a small chance for immediate rejection is " is that drink a ____" pick a popular drink. judge how she answers. If she's kind of friendly and you may think she's talkative but not sure say "oh is it good, I haven't tried it" Or, "oh , is it a _____" . Then see if you can go with the convo.

keep in mind, i don't know anything about coffee shops or drinks in there so i'm pulling something out of my ass but you get the idea. "is that such and such flavor" maybe

Read Roosh V's Day Bang book. It analyses situations exactly like this and gives you exactly what you need to know.

All good stuff to consider, thanks guys

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What I've noticed, in my short infield experiences, is that openers which require complience from the girls tend to fail quickly, whereas openers where you put yourself in the position of taking the lead in the interaction seem to work better.
I would recomand cutting the bs, making no effort of imagination and telling her you wanted to meet her. The more simple, the better, because it was(or seemed) spontaneous.

I think sometimes an indirect opener can be a good idea, but I think you're right about not asking for compliance or really asking much of her at all. It is our role to trigger the attraction by showing what we have to offer--then making them work for our approval.

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yea your not only asking her to entertain her when thats your job to do for her but it shows neediness...why would you need to be entertained? Your basically telling her that your bored...which means your boring...and women dont want someone who is boring they want someone exciting...who is already entertained, and whose entertainment they can jion

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I agree it makes me sound like I need someone to keep me from myself. Just so happens that I'm kind of fascinating, but she'd have no way of knowing that from this shitty opener. Shows how an opener is all about presentation, since she doesn't know you from adam.

Now I know why it sucks so much. Thanks for the insight.

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LMAO. Seriously? Why doesn't this work?

I did this a while ago on the train. I was tired and restless going home one day. I picked the cutest girl in my carriage and plopped myself down across from her and being tired I told her the truth. I said I was so bored that I decided to come talk to her. She went from being interested to scowling at me. I almost laughed when I realized how absolutely rude I was. I tried to recover but she was cooked.

This doesn't work because it's rude. Think how you'd feel if someone said it to you. What you are saying is that she isn't worth interupting your work to talk to, but now that you are pausing you could spend two minitues on her. Also, it says you have ADD and need to constantly be entertained.

I can see why you'd think it shows value and with a slight adjustment it would. Next time try doing the same, but when you see a betty come in, don't let her notice you checking her out, then when you're ready look up, then close your computer and go tell her that you are in the middle of a huge critical project at work and your boss is going to murder you, but oh well, he can't finish the project without you. Then say you love her style, but wanted to see if she was interesting enough for the hell you're going to catch.

Just an idea. Being overtly rude may work from some, but being with a girl, no matter how hot, that likes to be insulted isn't my idea of fun.

Now that's pretty damned clever. I will add it to my arsenal. Arsenal of love, that is.

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