That opener is useless. You are supplicating and kissing up to the girl. Don't you think she's been complimented before? She's had hundreds of guys say she's hot, she's sexy, and all that opener does is put you in the same category as all of them. Don't spew that nonsense on PICKUP forums, because we're trying to pickup women, and that opener does not accomplish that goal in any way, shape, or form.

Haha. Whatever mate. Luckily personal experience tells me you're talking a load of bollocks. However I am not going to stop you from being a negging, DLVing, lying, manipulative and pathetic human if that's what you want to do. I prefer to be honest.

I agree. It's not an opener, because it doesn't engage anyone. "You look nice" is always followed by "thank you"... and where does it go from there? This is exactly why neutral and situational openers exist.

Negging is a playful way to interact with women.
DLV? How is an opinion opener a DLV? EVERY opener is a DHV because you are standing out from the rest of the world.
Lying? Women lie all the time and what's the harm in a little white lie?
Manipulative? You are manipulating the girl as well with your opener.
Pathetic? You are pathetic for the following. 1) A useless opener. 2) Attacking someone else.

Have a nice day and happy hunting.

best opener is high self steem.
not delusional confidence .
you can say or do anything to open.
now I open this way.

walk up to the group and look everyone's eyes one-by-one. (they will get silent and pay all attention to me)

I shrug my shoulder and smile (like ... aaah what the hell)

I lock eye with girl I want then sexually smile and gave my hand out (waiting for handshake)

I wait her to shake my hand... 50/50 they will not go for the first time...if they dont shake I smile and nodes my head and wait more... makes situation more awkward. its like 1 minut of complete silence. hahaha

Then she realizes her shit-test, doubt is gone also I am the shit and shes hottest girl in group and I chosen her ...so she shake my hand. I introduce myself while caressing her hand with my thumb. And dont let go of her hand.

Dont pay attention to other stuffs.

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Excuse my awful English !!!

I have no interest in debating with an internet commando who has the audacity to call me 'pathetic'. And I'm not attacking you, I'm just contradicting you, but I guess PUA still has a borderline religious fervor among some individuals.

I was actually just generally having a go at PUA terminology - I think its ridiculous. As for women lying, well if they do then I won't play up to their attitude. I don't lie - simple as, and you're generalizing which reeks of sexism to me. I don't need to pretend and it doesn't make me feel good, so I don't do it.

Also how can an honest person manipulate anyone? I am saying what I think and what I feel. If she doesn't like it or has heard it before, then I really don't care. If she doesn't like it, then good. If she does, even better. And for the record, I can say with confidence it is not a 'useless opener', if it is an opener at all. I don't believe in rehearsed lines, because you are not being yourself. You can also say 'sexy', 'amazing body', or whatever you think of her.

If anybody is an internet commando, it's you. Honesty doesn't work with women. The people on here are trying to fuck women, and your bullshit opener doesn't help that goal. You are just as manipulative as anybody else on these forums because your end goal is to fuck, you are just manipulating her by telling her she's hot and trying to get in her pants that way. Get the fuck off your high horse.

Actually it does, as I am currently dating a girl from work with whom I have been nothing but honest. She knows what I want and she knows why I'm talking to her. And she knows that my end goal is to have sex and possibly (if I like her enough) to have a relationship. If you tell the truth you are not being manipulative, as manipulation is by definition playing around with people to get to an end point without revealing what you are after - damn right I am telling her she is hot 'cause I want to get into her pants, and I want her to fucking know it! What I said is not a scripted opener, just an example of being an honest MAN who has the balls to tell an attractive girl what he wants. And no I won't get off my high horse - I like it up here.

An example of manipulation: Lets say I wanted to borrow £1000 off you, I might offer to wash your car, do your shopping, cook you dinner or whatever, then asking for £1000 - I was trying to butter you up to get what I want without revealing my intentions to you - that would be me trying to manipulate you into giving me the money. Now then, what if I was to just come out and say "Can I borrow £1000 off you?", and you gave me a direct "Yes" or "No", then there has been no manipulation, I have just come out and said what I want and have gotten a straight answer without wasting any of my time. Now then if I'm telling a girl she looks stunning and that I want to take her out sometime, no manipulation has taken past - no lines, no lies, no techniques - just straight up honesty. If she says "No", I have at most wasted 5 minutes of her's and my time so then to move onto the next woman of interest. I have asked a few women from both within my family and outside of it and they have all told me they find upfront and direct men far more attractive, and my personal experience has confirmed their opinions. None of us like to be lied to. I still find it pretty unsettling that you have displayed evident misogyny and sexism in a previous post by saying that all women are liars. Sounds like bitterness to me.

Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks.

Women say they prefer direct? What a woman says and thinks are 2 completely different things. Do you even PUA, bro?

More personal attacks? Do you even know how to argue, bro?

Writing another essay? You Charles Dickens, bro?

So much effort to prove someone on the internet wrong. You are trying way too hard, bro.

You sound retarded, bro.

Interesting that you refer to me as being 'retarded', yet you seem to display a distinct lack of vocabulary. And I have not made any personal attacks, just made observations based on what you say about women, such as your accusations in your newest post of women being 'hoes and tricks'. Sounds like bitterness to me, and a man who is bitter towards women or has contempt for them is by definition a misogynist. It seems obvious to me that I am far better at making an argument than you are as you seem unable to back up your opinions with any kind of evidence or personal experience and instead seem to repeat typical PUA rhetoric like some parrot who has heard a seduction guru.

You then go on to point out that what women say and what they think are two different things, a very presumptuous point to make unless you happen to be psychic. However my personal experience has confirmed what these girls told me to be correct. And for the record I don't 'PUA' as I believe it to be weak and largely ineffective compared to when I have been direct. I find weird techniques and strategies to get women to be counter-productive and dishonest. I also believe it leads to a contempt for women which you have displayed very openly.

Also I am very flattered that you compare me to the literary genius of Charles Dickens, but he was known more for being an author rather than an essayist - though he did write a few of the latter, but I'm pretty certain you didn't look into that or you confused him with Charles Darwin.

As for opinion that I am putting effort into responding to your posts, trust me there is absolutely none needed when doing this, I just wish to write an articulate response to someone who is clearly inarticulate. I am really not trying that hard at all as your points are full of holes or you aren't really making any point at all and instead appear to be just trolling.

What is your next novel called, Charles? "The day I argued on the internet?"

Angry fag is angry.

solid post defiantly trying these openers soon

Please feel free to point out anywhere in my previous posts where I have displayed any anger whatsoever? I am not the one who has consistently been on the defensive, whereas you continue to not be able to contest any of my points and instead resort to 'trolling'. You have also failed to challenge me on my assertion that you are most likely misogynistic and sexist, so it is left to me to assume that is exactly what you are.

I was actually thinking of calling the book "The Day I Argued Online and Won"

I will also maintain that I wholeheartedly do not think 'negs' are a good idea unless you REALLY know what you're doing. And the one I have seen quoted in the last post could just be seen as insulting in my opinion, as you are more or less telling her she is unattractive. I would still say you should be direct, but say what you say in a seductive manner. You can tease a girl while bantering with her, but frankly most negs just seem priggish to me. Let them flow naturally, don't read lines on the internet or open with them.

Negs do tend to be overused by people who are new cause the read The Game... and Mystery is all about negging.

I don't feel like you have to neg a girl down to the point where she feels like she is nothing... But if she does try and snap at you a little bit and test your frame... a neg is a very good way to show inner strength and that you aren't gonna take her shit.

No reason to be an asshole however. Be playful.

Do you even lift, faggot? Fight me. You'll get wrecked, mate. Fucking wrecked.