Almost, every single thing I post does not get answered...and then I just get a volley of personal attacks lol This post was made for the purpose of reflection. Not because of me being jaded. The questions are does pick up take up to much time and energy? Should this time and energy be directed to becoming more successful? Are their more efficient ways to attrack women? Are there more respectable ways to attract women?



@poeticly

You refer to all these studies and cite non of them. Women were not hunting. All you have to do is look back 100 years and that'll tell you the way things were. Common sense y'all, it ain't complicated.

The thing is this. Just because I ask questions you think I have no experience and that I am incompetent. I told you I ask questions because I am always pushing my abilities.

I absolutely hate rejection and take personal offense everytime a woman rejects me. All these guys advocating a numbers game seem to have no self-respect.

@sweedish gangsta

If you think women don't chase success then we live in to different worlds because I know for a fact that they do. Maybe that's just in socialist Sweeden.

"I have no success with women and I have no success in life?" . . .that's just pure lie. There's so much slander on this forum.

Its digusting that you would say be excellent after saying such insulting things in your post. Really it is. It's sick.

LMAO dude, if you want a guarantee... Call a hooker. There is not guarantee's in PUA. It is understanding and combining different theories and concepts to create something that is some what scientific to bettering your LIFE. Yeah, that's why you hear us say all the time that it is about changing your life... BECAUSE IT IS! If you understand theories of perception, social dynamics and body language, female psychology, seduction, negotiation, persuasion, evolutionary biology, and through some PUA skills in there, you can create a system that works for you. To say that NONE of the stuff on this forum works is fucking, down right ignorant. You create problems for yourself that don't really even exist and that is why you are getting rejected. Go out in field, apply what you know already, find your areas you need improvement, (sticking points) work on those, progress, repeat. If you think you are going to become a master PUA because you read "The Game" and spent a few hours reading some forums, you are extremely mistaken and you will fail and you will continue to be miserable and prescribed Xanex because you refused to change what you were doing wrong. The definition of insanity is repeating the same process and expecting a different outcome.[/quote]

wtf dawg lol

The whole idea of pick up is not to change yourself but to change how the woman feels so that she wants you the way you are. So that you can be yourself and be loved. THat's what its about. THat's why people start PUA in the first place. Then they get all this shit about self-improvement and you're a pussy and you're not a real man and not dominant and not alpha....man fuck that shit! I was born a king. I deserve pussy, its my birth right

Your first problem is your letting your ego get in the way of actually understanding what it means to live up to your fullest potential. You saying you "deserve" pussy and you were "born a king" makes you sound ignorant. Nobody deserves anything to just be handed to them. Rockstars and athletes don't sign those multi million dollar contracts or record deals for the money. Money isn't real. But the lifestyle it brings is. Those contracts don't mean shit. The record deals belong to the company that produces them. But being able to say that the have the contract or that record deal signed to a woman and actually live out that statement, being able to back it up is what it is all for. They do that by understanding (either naturally or learned) the same things becoming a successful pick-up artist will teach you about yourself to establish for yourself the lifestyle that you are fully capable as living as a person. They understand that if you work hard and really give your 100 and 50 fucking percent in life, that it pays off... the best women out there will follow in the foot steps once your actions are truly congruent with your stories. Women are not fucking dumb. They have plenty of options and will never fall for any lame shit you throw at them if you continue on the train of thought that your shit doesn't stink. REAL women want a man who is all about continuously becoming a BETTER man. You sound like a fool.

I´m sorry but it´s time for a beatdown.

So success breeds women? Are you saying people judge others based on their achievments and not their personalities?

If so, how would you know? We can all sense your frustration which tells us all you have no women in your life. Are we wrong? If you are really a guy with multiple women in your life then let us know.

You talk about being goal oriented and having a more respectable means of getting women. Being a man of goals usually means being a man on the way to success, it doesn´t equate to being a successfull man. Am I mistaken? If you are a man of high status and success then let us know, there are no signs of it yet.

There are a few possibilities:

1: You have actually experience with approaching women and you´re simply tired of it. But this statement kills itself by the mere fact that you talk about being wounded and losing power all the time.

2: You are a successfull man, but for some reason women are not responding and chasing you as a result of that, which makes you frustrated.

3: You don´t have any women in your life, and your not happy with the success in your life.

There are more possibilities, but they really don´t matter.

You are asking people on a pickup forum, a place where people go to become more social, be more confident and get more women, if we should all just drop it and focus on living up to someone elses standards instead.

We are not attacking you as a person, we are attacking your ideas about how things work.

Why do you think that Vic and me and all the others also try to give you advice and steer you in a new direction? Because we mean you harm?

Relax and be exellent man!

1.) Women want a bette man? Like what the fuck are you talking about? I was just watching LOCKUP. The prison show and I saw two pretty women, fine women, marry men in jail. In jail! Supposedly, the worst men in society and they married them. Women want a better man? rubbish.

2.) ANd whose definition of better? Woman's? I thinking its insulting to live your life for a woman, like live yourself. Be your own person.

3.) I deserve pussy and I love how it sounds. Sounds smart to me. And that community must love it too as they got blogs on the power of entitlement power-of-entitlement-why-naturals-settl ... 52727.html

4.) Its not ego. Its self-respect. You don't change for other people. Thats Pride. THat's dignity. Thats being a man.

I don't believe in status. Everyone is equal in my eyes. Egalitarian Son.

Yes you mean me harm if you're trying to change the way I think. That's manipulation. I' trying to think for myself.

I think women are more attracted to achievements than personality. I do. THe achievements make your seem like this great and gody person.

I've approached thousands of women. From coast to coast and internationally. I've fucked hoes in different area codes.

I'm not happy with it. I feel like it takes too much time prepare my game to approach women. It detracts from legit things I'm trying to accomplish. Furthermore I can't stand rejection. I'ma about to go super saiyan over here everytime I get rejected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLbnE5oAfPM

its insulting.

If it was a beatdown? can you stop hitting me with pillows lol

Are you slow, simple or stupid? You become BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER as a man. If you grow the fuck up and learn to base a woman's value on things other than how big her ass is or what size her tits are... You will learn that as you become better and more successful as a man, you will align yourself with better people who help you become the person you want to be, ultimately aligning you with better women. Just because a girl is "hot" doesn't mean she has a personality beyond a wet towel. And my goodness.... You saw something on TV, so it has to be true. Boy, if I could reach through to where ever the fuck you are right now, I would slap you for saying such a thing.

Someone who understands pick-up, realizes that you aren't changing for anyone besides yourself, and you continuously grow as a person. Until you realize the things that you are doing wrong and fix them and start doing the right things in place... You will continue to get the same results you are now. The women you deserve are already in your life. If you don't have any, then you don't deserve any for the effort you put in. If you put forth some effort and truly can show that you are passionate about every aspect of your life, women will see right through that and be uncontrollably attracted to you. Once you've figured that out. You've figured out women. Be someone that is worth something more than a cock and balls to her... she can get that anywhere she wants. If you want the best women.... be the best you. It's simple.

You can´t handle the rejection of others, which to me basicly means you are emotionally weak.

You believe in achievment rather than personality, that you need something to your name to get women. Basicly means that you have no belief in yourself and that you are trying to please others.

You are afraid to change, or rather, you are not open to learning nor teaching, you´re stuck in a loop of dissonance.

You admit to being frustrated and discontent, how´s that working for you?

You were born perfect. You can't get any better. All you can do is be happy and get what you want out of life. All though your idea of growing and betting better sounds noble, its actually stupid because its curses you to a prepetual insecurity of not being satisfied with yourself.

Like a MSNBC documentary would life. THese are real people with real lives. It was true and you just don't want to admit it because it disproves you.

People don't always have what they deserve. This is especially true with women. People have great worth but their jobs, their lives, their spouse don't always reflect that value. THis is true and I deserve pussy. Like Kanye said "I feel like there still bitches that owe me sex"

I can handle rejection. I just hate handling it. I'm tired of giving these bitches power. You act like you can't read.

I believe in pleasing others? wtf...that smells like crap because that came out of your ass. Ahcievements impress people and they are attracted to you because you are impressive. I don't how impressing people and pleasing people is the same thing.

I am not afraid to change. I ask all these damn questions because I ma learning.

I've had plenty success. I just htink it should be easier. Listen.

You are the one who let MSNBC build that life for you. Your life is your own. You can do what you want with it. If you chose to live by the image you were given by other peoples opinion, you will die by their opinion as well. Create your own image for yourself and your own life that you want and don't let the media decide that for you. It is your perception of what life should be like in your head. Did you know that there are people out there who have the job title "Opinion Maker?" They are the ones who submit the final material to the TV and Radio stations about what the public should know. Example... Iraq. You have probably never been to Iraq. Neither have I. So, all we know about it is what the media shows us about Iraq. That is our perception on it. You have also developed a perception of what life should be and feel bound to the image that perception has given to you. So, you make that your reality. That is what happens when we develop perceptions of anything in life... We develop a hypothesis based off of what information we have. If you start acting and doing things like the person you really WANT to be, while applying the foundations taught in pick-up (becoming a true alpha male) you will fill that role that you created for yourself instead of letting someone make your own opinions for you. That is a leader of men.

You're sense of entitlement isn't shocking. You're at that stage where you start going out, but aren't immediately getting results. Sometimes its her, but sometimes its you. Your nights out are featuring mistakes, you need to acknowledge them and correct them rather than blame everyone/everything else. Your case is literally "I'm perfect, why hasn't everyone figured that out and worshipped me?"

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These hos ain't loyal

Invictus you claim you approach aggressively, but you are proving time and time again your obsession with rejection.

A good poker tournament player can lose a big hand, but he is not concerned by short term setbacks. He doesnt take it personally and can still go on to win the tournament. A bad poker player will steam with rage after losing a big hand, go full tilt and lose the rest of his money very quickly. You are like a bad poker player because you let a rejection affect you emotionally in future interactions with other unrelated women.

Your problem is not the rejection itself, its the way you react to it emotionally. Remember a woman only very rarely rejects a man outright (assuming you are not repulsively ugly, morbidly obese nor severely disabled etc.). Usually it is your approach a woman rejects, not you. You make the fundamental mistake of thinking it is you the women are rejecting, you take rejection personally, so you seek to improve yourself purely with materalistic wealth, instead of analysing what is wrong with your approach and fixing that instead.

I have listened, and I have grown bored of this conversation.

We see that you are frustrated and are trying to help, but really theres no point.

Enjoy the frustration.

I said only since the agricultural era... please pay attention to what I say. We are talking about evolution, I told you that these things about the hunter and gatherer era. WOW! you aren't even paying attention to what I say and then you've been bitching about me ignoring your words? Your words are irrational there is no need to pay attention to them(and yes I do read what you say I just ignore stupidity).

Are you really asking me to cite studies when you've read definition and didn't understand it? You really want me to go through all of my shit and find studies? Why should I? So you can deny it and say it ain't true. All that matters is anthropologists did recent studies using recent hunter and gatherers... Women provided more food then the men.

What the fuck is your point on the last part? That has shit to do with what I said. You do not have any unfaltering self-respect which is why women can hurt your feelings when you get rejected. You lose respect for yourself if you get shot down... Your pride is not a asset but something that hurts you. You have low self-esteem because everyone can affect it. Those of us with high self-esteem don't get hurt by rejection.

If you want to do courtship properly you are more than welcome to. Wait for girls to send you signals then go respond. However you'll get what you get... which may be hardly any women after you(most likely true in your case which is why you are so hurt). This is based off a biologist (Timothy Perper), a zoologist (Desmond Morris), and an Anthropologist (David Givens).

Damn dude.... you are clueless and arguing about it? RIGHT... So we should listen to you.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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