Hey guy's!
This is my first post on this forum..( I've been a guest here for almost a year now, I just signed up! I don't know why I waited so long..)

So anyway, I'm 21 and I am struggling with two sticking points.
The first one being that everytime I go to a bar and kiss girls I just can't get them to leave the bar with me... Even if they take my hand all night, kiss me, make really sure I won't leave when they go to the bathroom etc... You know clear IOI's. What I usually say is that we should go somewhere else... But then they always come up with lame excuses, like : I'm way too drunk, I have to work tomorrow... So a little help on that would be really appreciated!

The second problem I have is that I sometimes try to be the little monkey as I can't stand her getting bored if there is no conversation...

Anyway thanks in advance for your help!
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ps: I come from Québec, so my english isin't that perfect!

There could be several problems. First of all your main goal is to reframe the automatic idea that will pop in a girls head "This guy wants to fuck". You have to have some sort of reason to get her out. A good thing to do is to stop somewhere else first to gain some momentum. You could say your hungry and grab something to eat and then make up some non-intimidating excuse to go back to your place.

Another potential problem could be that your not being assertive enough with the way you handle it. You have to lead instead of asking for permission. Just try to be as dominant with it as possible.

There are tons of information out there regarding this topic, use google if you need more tips.

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thanks for the reply!
The problem is that sometimes example it's gonna be 1h30 in the morning so obviously the girl dosoen't want to leave her friends behind when I suggest going for a pizza or something... It's getting kind of annoying.

I often get the : I have to check with my friend's first... Then every one of their friend's are gonna come and talk to me in my ear and ask things like: What do you wan't from this? A relationship or a one night stand? Or : are you a good guy?
To this I always answer : don't worry I'm a good guy... But most of the time they don't seem to believe me...
Maybe it is because I can look can of intimidating for their friends with my shaved head and my height..

I would think the problem is actually quite simple: you haven't made these girls horny yet. Think about it. When you're horny, does it really matter whether you have to work tomorrow? And are you really going to check on your friends first when you want to fuck? Priorities change if you want to get it on, and that goes for girls too. Get them wet before you ask them to your bed, and your problems will melt away.

I just realized that that would sound better replacing 'wet' with 'wed', but that's just crazy talk.

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It's not like I haven't made out with them before asking.. Or danced.. What else could I do? Put my hands right in her pants on the dancefloor? I think my chances of getting slapped are off the top! lol

This is the reason: You need to create attraction first and balance it with comfort if you find the girl is hesitant to leave. They will soon take care of the "friends" problem themselves. A woman who you have created enough attraction with will not give a shit about "having to go to bed because she's up early for work" the next day. If you still find it's a problem go for girls who's friends have already met guys.

I really like the advice about going for a girl that her friends are already matched. I guess that would also mean they are the ugliest ones of the group... But they may also feel like left overs seeing all their friends with guy's so I guess it's an advantage in some way.

About me not going enough into confort, I think I am over neging my targets.. In the end they might not feel like I respect them... Some of the negs that I always use are: 1. wow! have you shrinked since last time I saw you? I think you are gonna have a hard time reaching for a kiss later. 2. Do you go to the gym? yes/no. because your hands feel like man's one. 3. an occupation one: Oh you are studying to become an english teacher? Speak in english.. (then however how well she speaks) I would'nt have guessed because you have such a bad accent...
And so on..

Wtf!? Why the hell would they go up to you and ask you this... doesn't make sense. Well anyways, make sure you always find out logistical situations asap. If logistics are good and interaction is going good, make sure you LIE your ass off. You can tell her to tell her friends that you guys are going to grab something to eat and will be back in 20 minutes then from there say you have something cool in your place you need to show her or whatever lie you want to make up. The chick your interacting with and her friends should never assume your trying to bring her home to fuck her.

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