With PUA we spend a lot of time building inner game, getting over approach anxiety, and thinking of ways to attract women. However, do we have it all wrong???

I mean should the women be the one's thinking about how to attract us. Shouldn't they be thinking about how they can get some dick? Shouldn't they be thinking about how they look? Shouldn't they be changing their personality. Shouldn't they be working on their game?

Is PUA WRONG because it values women more than men?

This guy again...

You seem to think there is some trick to get women to walk up to you out of nowhere and want to fuck you -- this can happen, but its rare. As a man, the most attractive trait you can have to women is dominance, and you prove this by being the one to initiate. Women by nature are timid, shy, shameful, easily embarrassed --- everything you shouldn't be. Think about it like this -- women spend 2 hours getting ready every night before they go out to look hot for you. Its up to you to walk up to them and be interesting and confident. Deal with it.

Dude you're making so many assumptions. That 1.) I want some trick. 2.) YOu shouldn't be shy 3.)I have problem dealing with something. Let's try to stay on topic. You don't know what I think but I will tell you. I don't think women put in this kind of effor to get a man. I feel like dick is thrown at women. I feel like that. Women don't have blogs on how to seduce a man. I think men try much harder than women and I am asking you do you think that is wrong? Do you think all the effort it requries to be a PUA is misplaced energy? do you think it places to much value on women to invest that much energy in them.?Women will chase you and proclaim their love for you. I am asking should we make our lives as attractive as possible then worry about women chasing us instead of spending time working on game and hunting women? Shouldn't we be hunted?


Look dude.

Women don't have blogs on how to seduce a man, but they do have countless magazines and articles on how to look sexy/beautiful/attractive. The emphasis on women is to look attractive, the emphasis on men is to act attractive. Women want men just as much as men want women. Women put just as much emphasis on looking attractive, as we do on having attractive behavior.

No they don't. Half the time women are competiting with other women to be the finest woman.

A man with dignity prides himself on his appearance. So looking good is not that big of a deal compared to scheming by guys to get girls.

Seriously man. You should definitely read up on some basic evolutional psychology, then this wouldn't even be a question.

Yes, as PUAs we spend a lot of time building inner game, getting over AA and thinking of ways to attract women. We build inner game, so that those of us who are having problems with ther self-esteem may live more fulfilling lives. We get over AA, so that those of us who are afraid of new encounters learn to expand their comfort-zone, again, leading to more fulfilling lives.

And behold, after countless hours of improving yourself, and getting a better life. Women are all of a sudden attracted to you!

All you need to do is to be yourself. The new, awesome, improved self. You get your shit and your life together, and women come of as a side effect. Now, when you've first tasted the sweet taste of honey, you no longer sit around and wait for another honey nest to drop down. You learn how to climb, so you may efficiently go grab one whenever it pleases you. That's all there is to it.

Women don't have to work on their game, because they're not biologically evolved to. They work on their looks to attract men, and we on our game to get women attracted. Welcome to mother nature.

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WOmen do chase men. Women do chase men. Women chase men that are muscular and handsome, men that are rich and famous, and men that are powerful. I wonder instead of working on improving your game if you just built up your life, made your life more valuable. IF you just put more value on yourself, would that attract women?

Yes, of course it would! If you have an awesome interesting life, who wouldn't be a part of it?

But even though you have an awesome and interesting life, if your self-esteem is crap, you're really submissive and you live in the Disney-illusion. Your best shot is to find a gold-digger who only wants you for your money.

The reason we need to learn game, is because most men today, are mere boys. This is a whole topic for another time though.

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PUA should be about how to build up yourself (career, goals, hobbies, appearance etc.) to live an attractive lifestyle. If you do that women will come to you and they will compete for you. Trust me, experience.
But the problem is a lot of guys get into this because they want a magic line / neg or whatever that will get them into the woman's pants. Those tactics and lines might help to lay women once or twice but once she realizes that you have nothing else going for you you are done. To me that is not PUA. That is simple manipulation.
So to answer your question PUA in the sense of getting a quick fix is wrong.

Unless you are a rock star or Hollywood actor, its not gonna happen.

If getting girls was as simple as hanging out and looking handsome, then women would become the predators and the men would be prey. If you want to be the prey, the quickest way to achieve that is by going to gay bar.

Seriously though, your approach is like a low commitment sales pitch. Your customers (the girls) are not going to buy your product (you) if they dont know you exist. The key to attraction is confidence. Starting a conversation with no hesitation shows confidence, why would a girl want to sleep with you if you dont have the balls to lead her somewhere exciting, take her on a wild adventure etc.

What! PUA teaches not to pedestal women. My friend is a model, only once I seen a woman run up to him and flirt/hit on him. Looks have little to do with it. PUA teaches how to show interest in non-needy/clingy way, in a way to risk losing your target, I forget the tech terms they use. In my experience women have low motivation to talk to a man, This is why older women don't remarry (IMO).

Read this book, models by mark manson, another member told me about it. Very powerful stuff. I never believed in "magic lines" and this book talks about that, just have geniue convo build/break rapport etc..


Example, woman says she likes beaches, You could be like, omg I hate the beach, get out of here girl. If you keep sucking up to "omg omg I love beach/everything you like I like mentaility". It's no fun to them.

I told two girls I can't talk to them anymore because you like x, and I got them both to talk longer/convo, plus one texted me later about other things.

Insane how this stuff works.

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It is not AA that scares me or affects me anymore, its leading a conversation forward and keeping her interested. AA is nothing. Formally newpua2012, lost my pw

Pua teaches you to not put women on a pedestal, but I think if you put in all this work just to get laid then you are sybconsciously putting to much value on women.

I have seen beautiful women try real hard for guys doing just that peacocking.

You look at chasing women as manly, but the chaser is in a weak position and being weak is not manly. Chasing girls is wack.

Who said anything about chasing? Since when was approaching women called chasing?

Peacocking displays far lower value than a natural confident approach. Guys who wear extreme clothes or copy Mystery's steampunk goggles or whatever are simply screaming the message "PLEASE LOOK AT ME BECAUSE I'M TOO SCARED TO START CONVERSATIONS MYSELF" in the same way a woman does when she wears revealing clothes. Peacocking is ultimately attention-seeking, which is what women do. Relying on tacky props you're wearing to spark conversation might get girls staring at you but if you can't back it up with alpha confidence, the quality girls will sniff you out and see through your peacocking as mere posturing.

You just need to get over your approach anxiety and stop trying to find a quick fix.

Peacocking must be good if master PUAs do it, it has to be. I don't have AA. I approach girls aggressively.