Hey guys

Havn't really started my own threads on the forums bc I never really had a reason to but here I am...
Any help as to how to turn this around to something more sexual would be great...

Slept with her in the end of dec, (no sex), just kissing her neck and face and top of her boobs, holding her boobs while bra on, belly, ass and so on...I ran my hand up and down between her thighs, had my hands in her pants, to whn she moved my hand away and we ended falling asleep. Next morning, I have to go, she texts me that we shouldn't hang out anymore bc I got sexual...I turned it around somehow and said we can still hang out and be friends...

Ever since then, if I'm over her house at night, usually end up on her couch or in her bed for a nap...to which I'd kiss, hold her on her boobs and kiss um and so on (while her bras on)..(once again not too sexual)...given her back massages and an ass massage to which I would "accidentally/unknowingly" run my hand over her pussy, she commented and said "you just...oky nevermind" ...(I knew what I did, she thought I didn't) and so I continued...

That was that...napping with her in her bed is usual, or watching a movie together while cuddling is normal...
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Iv hinted at wanting to plan something for valentines next week, a week or so ago...spoke to her last night and indirectly asked her (earlier during the day she said how I don't ask her for things directly for some reason, and doesnt like it)...well I called and she said she didn't have plans for valentines day and said there wouldn't be time for her to do anything anyways bc she has classes at 7PM (I wouldn't hav minded to take her out bf that class and just for lunch or so)...she said she doesnt want to do anything......

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I think Iv seemed a bit needy/ not being direct enough for her liking

Some other points to mention- She says I dont treat her like all the other guys do, and it somewhat annoys her/shes not used it...? Whats your take on this?

I wanted to freeze her out for 72 hours saturday until Tuesday morning (when we have class togthr)
Good idea?...gunwich said freeze her next friday after valentines, but that was bf she rejected going out for valentines wit me.

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Over all...how should I take this?
Any idea on how I can turn this around...to make her interested again, hav her initiate kino and so on?

We've already planned to go shopping Wednesday(day bf VD) after 6:30 PM...and see eachother tuesday morning and Thursdays (basically all day, test driving new cars, or staying at her place).


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Appreciate the help in this matter...

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Tough love time. This is 100% your fault.

-Never sleep with a woman at this stage if you're not having sex. Persist for sex, but if it becomes clear it's not going to happen, get the hell out of there and go focus on other women.

-Regularly laying/sleeping/cuddling with a woman without putting your cock inside her is 100% guaranteed to put you in the "I can't fuck this guy" category. One the second or third meet, if there was no progression in the sexual arena, you need to NEXT her, delete her out of your brain, and go focus on other women.

-If you're even considering doing a Valentine's day thing with a woman you haven't even had sex with yet, you're insane. No.

You need to next this chick and go open 20-30 more women. I know you don't want to hear that. If you want to try to salvage this (and the odds are extremely low at this point), radio silence her for at least two weeks, then hit her up one more time, go over to her place (or yours) and escalate hard to sex. If she still balks, walk out of there and move on. Forever. Odds of success: about 10%.

Your neediness is off the chart here. Get your balls back.

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This girl does not think you're man enough for her, and frankly, I can understand this perspective. She obviously wants you to be more direct, and I would suggest you do so. Fuck first, valentine later. If it doesn't work out, you move on. All this waiting around is no good for anyone.

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Harsh replies, but I guess it is my fault Im in this situation...

Freezing her ...and not doing what I'v currently been doing...will see what happens.

Was hoping for a more enlightening/positive reply heha but I think this'll work perfectly for getting her.

Thanks.

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Whoa, let's not rush to conclusions guys. First of all, how old is she? Secondly, you need to be more spontaneous, don't go and plan stuff with her. Best thing you could do, is get her to see you with other women. However, she may just be a virgin or very inexperienced and uncomfortable with going too far. That is why I asked you how long you have known her.

Been with her for 2+ months basically.

We are both 21 years old...yes Ill make her see me with other woman. Shes not a virgin.
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She texts but not like she used to, its as if theres no vibe anymore...will see her later tonight, will use kino, humor and some other playful things to re-spark attraction in case shes not anymore, will qualify/neg a bit as well.

Will see where this takes me. I dont think I'll screw things up...but I find it weird how right after I asked for VD she went cold...I asked whats wrong, she said nothing but said it in a low voice that says to me there was something on her mind but shes not spilling it...as long as rejection isn't verbal, it doesnt really exist...so Illl be persistant.

Any ideas on how to turn it around othr than what I'v mentioned above?

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Yeah 21, then I would side with the other guys. She is holding on to you as a life preserver in case nothing better comes along. The best thing you could do is find other women for you. There really are plenty of them out there.