but to no avail.

Hello everybody of the pick up forum. Today I have a situation that I want you to assess and tell me everything you can about it. First some background information.

I am a freshman in high school, but most people think I look slightly older. I have a deep voice (get comments about it almost everywhere I go, mostly girls). Also, I am good looking. I know this because I often see girls look at me in class and in the hallways and flick their hair when I walk by. I have been eyeing up one girl for close to a month now, and we have made eye contact several times. Today I decided to cold approach her, here's how it went.

Me and a friend were walking and I saw her with her friend. We got ahead of her, and I turned around, made eye contact, and waved to signal her to come here. When she did, I immediately put both hands around her shoulders, making sure to maintain full contact and not be caught with a deadly case of hoverhand. The conversation went as follows:

Me-Are you single?
Her-Uh(took some time to think, almost said no), yeah.
Me-You're cute, what's your name?
Her-Uhh do we know eachother?
Me-(ignoring what she said) What's your name?
Her-Do I know you?
Me-No, but we should get to know eachother.
Her-No thanks. (walks away)

I made sure not to break eye contact, I was smiling, and I was confident. I think I was unsuccessful because I was too aggressive/too direct with my intentions. Previously I have talked to my friends about her, and they say that she's quiet. If any of you guys could analyze this for me, it would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you need any more information, feel free to ask.

Edit-Also, should I wait a little while then try again? If so, how long should I wait and how should I change my game up?

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I would say that it was too much, with the kino on the shoulders.
Why do I think this? Because you make her have to make a choice to like you or not right on the spot. With the the shoulder kino I think it was too confrantational.

Girls in High school are like the future bitches of tomorrow that still consider themselves "pure"

Seeing her response, this is her immediate "Bitch wall". Don't come on too strong. This only works for guys who look like Justin Timberlake (Sometimes not even for him). You're pampering her when you should be negging her right from the start, but nothing too strong. It gets a girls attention and seperates you from all the other "Wanna be's".

Your kino was fine, your choice of words wasn't.

I dont really think you can say what you did wrong or if you came on too strong or not, your sample size is one. We know that approach could work, so all we can argue about is its proficiency. The real problem is you didn't have enough value, or she didn't have enough interest before you opened your mouth. That may or may not be your fault, but is likely a matter of bad calibration in any case. I wouldn't worry about this, just keep gaming, this approach, as its listed here is solid. Deal with rejection and keep going.

This stuff should not be used by high schoolers. I'm not from the U.S. but I'm assuming freshman in high school means pretty young. Analyzing interactions at 16 will mess your development up as a person. If your basis for human interactions is through pickup, you'll become a weirdo as you don't have any references of how normal behavior is.

^ is Dr. Phil positing here again?

Anyway I dont think your crusade to dissuade high schoolers from using PUA is going to be effective.

You guys posted very useful information. I chose this type of direct approach because it has worked for me in the past, for example, I walked up to a girl between classes and asked where she was going, she answered lunch, then I asked for her number and got it. It didn't work this time, so on to the next one.

I would agree with someone here that you shouldn't come here to seek advice. Most of these guys are a lot older than you and have approached more girls, and older girls, and will give feed back based on girls who have a lot more experience dealing with their approaches.

I read your interaction script before I read the part you were a freshman. I'm not real sure what would be effective at your age and your location b/c I'm 33 and been doing this about 13 years. If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have done it how you did, but at your age I would call it cute at least.

For your age group, I think your approach and your first 2 lines are fine although that's not going to be statistically advantageous doing it 100 times as you get older. Where I think you messed up was when she asked "do I know you" and you ignored it and asked her name again. Maybe there you could say "No", and see how she responds. If she gives any negative feed back you can say something like "now wait, whats your deal? do you not like meeting new people?"

Then she asked it again and you said "no but we should get to know each other" but why do you want to get to know her, any more than any other girl? B/c she's cute? fine. but she doesn't need to know that you want to get to know her just b/c of that. She may think it's shallow you want to get to know her randomly out of the blue, when you don't already have some connection through friends. She may also be shy and if that's the case your game didn't universally cater to multiple types of reactions or personalities one being she's shy.

It seems to me like when I was in high school, the popular guys who knew people and had a lot of friends got the popular girls who were hot b/c they knew some of the same people and hung out at the same places. It was pretty difficult to meet girls you didn't know if you didn't have common friends or sit near each other in a class.

If you are trying pick up at your age I think I would walk up beside her in the hall. Don't touch, have a normal conversation where she can't tell initially if you are interested.

Are you single = worst pick up line ever

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Here's how you should have gone with this:

Watch "Things to do in Denver When You're Dead" and imitate Andy Garcia when he walks up to the woman at the bar/club. He asks her "Are you in love?" Seriously!

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Great to see your solid opener.

I think you came on way to strong and didnt hold enough value. Asking a girl straight out if they are single could work but remember you are dealing with a younger girl who could be shy. You have to open without being so threatening and keep build your value from there. Opinion openers are great for this kind of thing as you can be playful without being threatening

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Ever notice how when you ask a girl something direct you can see the gears turning? If you ask her if she is single she is going to think "What should I tell this guy?" She's not just going to respond with a yes or no. She's going to first try to determine why you are asking her that, what you want, and what response to give you. That is why opinion openers can be good because there isn't any obvious ulterior motive for asking her opinion about some random topic. I mean I realize that a lot of girls will still be on to you and blow you off, but once you ask if she has a boyfriend you've pretty much made it clear to her why you are talking to her.

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dude, im still in high school too. but im 18 and a senior. ive been at the game for a while now and what i figure for your situation is that you're probably dealing with a girl around your own age. and girls like that are still trying to figure themselves out (they are in that stage where they are still humping their bed posts over justin bieber). but they start to figure out whats going on around sophomore year then when they reach junior and senior year, they have their plans made up for the future and most know who they are and what they are gonna do in life.

my advice for this year:
be popular, get noticed by your peers in a good way.
once you have that, you can start your game back up during the next year.

the only thing you are likely to get right now are the school whores

if it all goes right you should have that shy girl that you creeped out by the end of next year because she'll probably have forgotten that incident from this year.

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