It at amazes me how guys that are good with women, beginners and others complain about women flaking and how they suck at asking girls out( a lot of this guys coaches or advance seducers), any ways, i have very little to no flakes even sexaddict does not even believe me, but is the truth, i can count in my hand the number of flakes i had. Second i am also amazed at the number of guys in the chat that suck or set up the wrong day 2 so i hope with this i will help some of you and i do not have to repeat myself ( i can just link them here). So let me start with the problem with phone numbers:

Stage 1 /Pre-phone number: If during the interaction, there were not tons of iois, chemistry, sexual tension, escalation, and a good amount of screening, throw the number away. The only exception is a girl giving you the number online or through facebook/myspace imo for a girl to do that she is interested and buying temperature is high.

Stage 2 /Phone number: now you gotten the phone number, the best time to text is when things are hot. Text her right there with you present"who is that good looking guy you are talking to lol" that way she gets used to your text or do what i do since i do not carry my phone, i get her to give me her phone and i text my self, "Damm you are hot, text me back" stupid shit like that! the point is to be memorable, fun and different. Anyways for more follow my guide in text game the-skills-secrets-to-text-game-vt138170.html but to be honest text whenever you feel like there is not a right or wrong time to text, but i think is better when things are hot.

Stage 3/ set up an encounter(not a date): Now the ideal situation is for a girl to be so pumped in her buying temperature and so curious about your lack of pro-activeness, and your sexual capabilities(even if you suck but she believes you can please her better than any guy "Grandmaster style" psychology which is she is bombarded in her mind and associate you with a sexual competent guy that will bring the goods) that she will start hinting dates or get together or a sexual encounter(this is my style) or flat out ask you, all these are the best frames and outcomes but is kind of unrealistic for many of you, why? because many of you do not have a main girl, or women that you can access for pussy, that allow you flexibility to take your time, which is my style(look at all my unedited field and lay reports most girls kind of ask me out), second you are brainwashed with the "lets set up a date right away mentality" (which is good if the buyer temperature super high), but lets face it most of the time is not that high with many of them, things may have cool off and/or there are other dudes competing and doing the same shit you are doing....So now let me talk to you about dating and my view on it and why i think you should stay away from "traditional dating".
Women will put a dude into 4 categories( i change my view to 4 instead of 3)
a nothing(not a friend, not an acquaintance, not a person she wants nothing to do with, she just gave him the number for whatever reason)
a friend or emotional tampon( dead zone)
a lover or dude she wants to fuck(best zone to be in even if you want to her to be your gf always fuck them first then walk backwards to a relationship)
a boyfriend/or potential bf ( this may delay sex, or totally kill your chances and put you into friend zone when it comes to dating)

So what is the problem with the traditional dinner, movie, miniature golf, and all that crap that you see on live dating shows like "millionaire match maker", The problem i see with the traditional dating is that it has a high % to one of these 2 outcomes specially for newer/intermediate guys, you will be put into the possible bf application stack, so you will get screen harder, and your flaws will be looked at or maximize... Now let say you are amazing and you get through her screening, then sex may be delay(since now you will be seen as a bf instead of lover, so she may want you to see her as girlfriend material that she is not that easy, the women 3 date rule crap), plus it is a bad frame you are paying for dates so you are seen as a provider. Anyways the % of success doing the traditional dating in my opinion lower than if you do what i suggest which i will call the lover dates:

1.- Any excuse to be at your house or her house(renting a movie, dinner at your house, video games,massage etc...)
2.- walk by the beach(night preferably)
3.- Park date (secluded night time)
4.- dancing at a club(easy to escalate)
5.- drinks at a bar( alcohol may be your friend to make her relax)
6.- swingclub, sex shop, sex expo, strip club.(advance level)


The goal of 2 to 6 is to go back home or to a motel and have sex with the exception of the swingclub(cause you fuck them in the swinclub).

Stage 4: How would i ask her out if you fail in the sub communication of presenting yourself as a lover or for a sexual encounter, first you need to get a sense of her lifestyle (when she works, when she goes to school, friends etc...)..

Second you need to LEAD and make it something she will want to do by building, excitement
curiosity and delivery...Unfortunately it sadens me that most puas have really vanilla personalities or no personality.

Holly shit! Saturday night is going to be so much fun (or whatever day you may think she may available, if she is not available it does not matter) you can not miss it, it will be so awesome i can't wait... Hb: what what is it? don't worry you are gonna have a blast do me a favor and met me at (starbucks, gas station, it does not matter) at 5 pm wear something cute and comfortable... Hb: but what is it? me: is a surprise you will have so much fun. i will call you around 4 pm to confirm if at 4 i do not hear from you i am going alone or i am taking somebody else. If she can not go when you are setting up the date, for example i can't that day cause i need to go to work, then it is good, cause you can find out when is she is available.. You go really! that sucks cause you would have loved it, when are you usually free(indirect asking when is she free), i am free on Thursday and on Sundays.... So now you have info... Do not set it up right then, keep texting and talking normal, and wait till it get close to those days and act again indirectly following similar or same format.

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hey guys this is from a guru name daigoro:

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Good post and good quote find skills. I definitely like step three regarding not planning an event too far in advance and the part where he mentions how one should be chasing without sacrificing value.

this is awesome. definitely going to make sure to text her right away more. I'll ease my way into the whole swingclub thing ha.

My word this is amazing I'm definitely in a position where girls see me as the perfect bf and provider, I believe that this comes from not escalating enough sexually thus confusing the girl into believing that I'm interested in her but I should work first before getting laid. This for me is worse than being friendzoned and it stops today!

Oh yeah been getting laid alot recently and zero friendzones for the past 3 months, this is improvement.

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Hey guys here a sample of what i am descriving, i met a girl, dance, escalated, made out, i was getting bored of the interaction, so i ask for her phone, dial myself/ejected and here we go(always a sexual frame), look how i get her to be the one to ask me out(ideal situation):

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Nice shit dude awesome content!

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Hey guys I'm currently having trouble with this I just recently went on a first date and got a positive response when suggesting the idea of a second date saying "for sure" my problem is we live in different towns 1 and 1/2 hours from each other so I don't think a spontaneous approach would work leaving me a bit susceptible to flakes. On past dates I've used the distance to my advantage and ended up staying at their places. So given this situation how should I go about arranging a second date?
How should I go about organising another date quickly without appearing too needy or keen?
Something like "well let's hang out again soon, I'm going to be busy (DHV?) but I'll be in town frequently..."
Now the best thing I can think of is asking when she is free next but that seems way too AFC. What should I say bearing in mind spontaneity probably won't work?

Sounds to me she is not too invested or interested bringing up her "ex", you should have escalated and fucked her dude, now your chances of seeing her will decrease a lot. The ex probably fuck her anyways.... Keep in contact with her and calibrate her buying temperature and set up another meet up or move on, and get other women... you got to fuck them dude, you don't fuck them and escalate they will most likely flake and lose interest.

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I probably shouldn't have gone into too many specifics as I noticed this forum is supposed to be more general but she was really apologetic about the whole thing and felt obligated to see him given she knew the person as well. Other than creating that awkward situation the way she spoke about I can tell her ex isn't a problem.

But back on topic, what do you mean by 'calibrate her buying temperature' and how do you suggest setting up another date in a long distance situation like this?

Ok my bad, i saw it as an excuse for her getting out of the date, but you are saying it was for real, ok, just keep texting, so she does not forget you or cool off, as you texting gauge her interest and set up a second meet, make sure next time you fuck her, and fuck her good. None of traditional dating crap please... If you are doing all the texting and she loses interest then you have to do a radio silence:

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php? ... light=cobi

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Well after her last message I guessed she was keen on meeting again so I told her we should hang out soon and asked when she is free. We've also engaged in a little bit of banter and I've been keeping up the cocky funny frame although ever since we met our messaging has become less frequent, maybe thats a trait of hers we mostly chatted online as opposed to text before meeting. Anyway she replied with a bit of fun banter and she told me she'd have to get back to me about when she was free ending the message with a smiley.
I'm not sure what level of interest she has in meeting again I think maybe she's keeping her options open, she still uses her online dating profile a lot.
How do think I should take it from here? (I hope I'm not hijacking this thread)

I would wait till she gets back to you if she does then talk, raise buying temperature and push for a meet again, then set up a meet, if she is not getting back to you, do a radio silence... meanwhile you need to be getting other women. Here, watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNovswAlmio

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Thanks for the advice, we had a bit of fun conversation going so I sent her a very delayed response instead of killing the conversation and waiting for her to reply, I think this allowed me to buy temp which I'm still a bit vague on. She replied straight away with what I think is a shit test saying "God you take ages to reply" and mentioning something like 'I'm deliberately waiting so long to reply to her'. I think she is really going to test my game which is a bit suprising given she was in a relationship for five years.

Totally understand the advice about getting other women too. The reason I'm probably too concentrated on this one is because I deleted my online dating profile not long after getting her number. My profile was actually copied by another guy in my area, prior to that I was having a lot of success, setting up dates and talking to multiple women but that faded. I would like to see how that translates into actual 'real world' sarging.

Back on topic though, do you think it would be a bad idea to deliberately set up another meeting soon (nothing too specific) with the intention of actually flaking? Does that make me look like a challenge and is it a DHV?

Forget about all that Mystery method crap, shit test(if a girl is shit testing you she is interested), the girl you have is interested somewhat, is hard sometimes to give advise cause i am not there, but from the above message she is interested.... You do not need to dhv, and none of that crap, you got a be you, your true self, your true intentions, if she flakes from you being you, that is fine, move on and find someone else. See how she is noticing that you are trying to manipulate and play games. Women test fake guys with incongruent intentions, be the true you, not scare of polarity, disagreements, blunt,=being attractive, being a fake alpha is not(take a look at the sample i posted of a convo. with a girl, there is not game that is the true crazy me, same guy from the chat, always congruent)... Don't be needy, don't try to manipulate specific outcome. your subcommunication should be i am sexual, i am not needy, i want to meet you, i want to see if me and you are a match, and if we are not, is fine, i am ok with rejection, i do not waste my time, and will find someone that is... Also, Make another profile and meet other women, even though you are still pursuing this one(this will help you).

Set up a met, and don't be scare of rejection, or losing that one girl= both outcomes will kill attraction, to get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl. She is interested keep talking and set up the met, but do it how i advise throughout this post... I don't have magic words for you to say to spike that attraction or make her want you or meet you(nor anybody else), she does not like skills or any other seducer, she likes viking.

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