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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:38 pm 
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Yup. My thoughts exactly.

Freeze out has begun...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:23 pm 
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Update:

Text from her:

HER : How was the london visit? We`re viewing another house tomorrow! X

I have not replied so far. Honestly been too busy with stuff.

I have been gaming another girl in the meantime...

She is not on a pedestal anymore...

Just keeping you updated.

Thanks so far Heywood Jablowme.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:32 am 
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She wants her cake and eat it too.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:20 am 
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ME: Ok great. It`s a hot country so you`ll have to sleep naked. And I promise I won`t touch you. Much!
I would have changed it to "And promise not to touch me Miss grabby hands. I know how you are!"
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HER: Aaargh. There`ll be no naked sleeping.
Proper response; "Who said SLEEPING? lol" or "I have the option!"
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HER: Please pull a Spanish girl!
Proper response; "You like Spanish girls too? Okay threesome it is!"
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Ok, what gives? I think I`ve fucked it.
No you haven't but you sure seem to be trying!
Wish i could think of those responses on the spot!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:36 pm 
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I feel like you're missing the obvious here. She said she wouldn't set you up with one of her friends. Is there any way she might know through some "friends of friends" that you're a PUA? Or at least thinks you have a reputation? In most (other) people's minds, PUA translates to "lying, manipulative slut". It's pretty much the "used car salesman" of the dating world. Granted, the majority of guys interested in PUA tips aren't bad people at all, but you know as well as I do that there is an occasional commenter who says shit like "Lie all you want to fuck as many bitches as you can", and that's how a lot of people perceive this stuff.

Now ask yourself, what do women really want in a partner? Instead of using all the "alpha male" catchphrases, try translating that into how a woman thinks. You'd be surprised how similar women and men are in the qualities that they desire in a partner...

The typical guy desires a woman who is sexy, smart, and fun to be around, right? ... but at the same time, he doesn't want a slut who who would fuck just anyone. You want a girl with standards. You want a girlfriend that other men desire, but other men can't have and she has a respectable reputation. When you start dating this woman, you want others to be jealous of your triumph. You don't want a girl who's so easy to get in bed that others will look at you like a fool for dating her. You want a girlfriend who isn't going to whore herself around and make you feel like a fool/schmuck/tool in the long run. Well to that I say...

Surprise! Women want those EXACT same qualities in a man. No woman wants others to think she's stupid for trusting you. She doesn't want to be your "fuck of the week". From your post, it looks like you really like her and if everything went well, you wouldn't just consider her a meaningless fuck... but does she know that?

When you use PUA tips like showing off that other women want to fuck you, you show desirability. However, for some women this only works up until the point when you actually start fucking those random women you're flirting with. A man who is desired by tons of women is **sexy as hell**. A man who fucks all those women is a slut who "isn't boyfriend material". Read up on the "Dual Mating Hypothesis". It explains why drunk, horny women might be willing to have a one-nighter with a slutty guy, but most of the time the "slutty" method just makes you look like a creep with low standards.

From your post:
"22 (Girl A is 23), so I would say no more than 10 partners give or take, any more than that and I take don`t them seriously as girlfriend material."

I totally respect this. I feel the same way. However, you never mentioned how many sexual partners you've had yourself... or at least how many sexual partners she thinks you've had based on your reputation. I'm telling you: If a girl knows you're a PUA, she may have a very hard time taking you "seriously" as boyfriend material. Think about it: if a girl has a reputation as a slut, you might be willing to fuck her once just for the hell of it, but you're NOT going to seriously consider her feelings (and longterm potential) if you know that sex with you meant nothing to her. Women feel the exact same way about slutty guys. Most women are turned on by a guy that every woman WANTS to fuck, but really turned off by a guy who takes advantage of every opportunity and shows that he's a bottom feeder. If a women views a guy as a bottom feeder with low standards for sexual partners, it's a turn off.

I wish you the best of luck. You seem like you genuinely like her, but you're over-analyzing it. Women are more similar to men than you think, at least in terms of what character traits they want in a partner.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:13 am 
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Definitely food for thought, and I agree with a lot of what you`ve said, and you`re right - I do genuinely like her and would not consider her a meaningless fuck. At first she was just hot, now I`ve spent time with her she is fun, doesn`t care what she looks like in the morning, non-judgmental and just great!

A while back her mate told her that every man wants a relationship with her. At one gig I was innocently walking her out of the venue, our other singer said "Smikes, where are you going?" and she said quietly "He wants a relationship with me", to which I replied "I`m walking you to the door so you don`t go into the wrong room and disturb the guests having dinner" (which was true).

As far as my sexual history goes, I`ve never been all that promiscuous, preferring sex in a relationship compared to picking up random girls. And I`m not sure how many she thinks I`ve had.

She knows I`m into psychology of how people work/relationships etc but she isn`t aware I`m into PUA, and there is no way for her to have been told as her friends are in a completely different circle to mine.

I think because I think I`ve had certain green lights from her I have gotten into the wrong mindset in my head and just need to relax a little.

Since I last saw her I have been going to the gym everyday, body shape has changed and got myself a wicked haircut!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:52 pm 
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Looking good is feeling good, and feeling good is confidence. So good for you on the gym and the sexy haircut. Also if you talk to her frequently, do you have a lot of shared interests? The best thing is to find something she likes, but which you already know more about. Horror movies for example, a foreign language, debating religion, philosophy, atheism, etc.... Whatever it is, if she views you as an expert in something that she's already obsessed with, it'll completely change her view of you. Of course you shouldn't lie about an interest because a) it'll quickly be obvious to her if you talk a lot and b) if you want to form an actual, meaningful connection with another person, you don't want to start it off with a lie you'll be expected to keep up even as you grow closer and more open about your feelings.

Always take into consideration that sometimes a woman just isn't physically / chemically attracted to you. This really is something that can't be controlled and is NOT your fault. For example, if a white guy just isn't attracted to black women in general, then a black woman who's into the guy shouldn't blame herself. She didn't do or say anything wrong and she shouldn't beat herself up for it. It's just raw attraction that can't be controlled, and every woman has a range of random traits that she finds attractive/unattractive that can't be predicted. Not to go too off topic here, but there was a recent study where women were shown random photos of men and asked to guess, based solely on their faces, which men liked children. They were able to guess correctly 2/3rds of the time. So women aren't all psychics, but there's a lot more going into a woman's attraction than just "he's muscly and he bought me a drink".

Shit, women can even smell a man's armpit sweat and give higher sexiness ratings to men who have healthy and/or complimentary immune systems (see Sweaty T-Shirt Study). This is the stuff that nature has complete control of, and all the dating tips in the world aren't going to change who you are on the chemical level. If she thinks you're cute within the first five minutes of talking to you, then the PUA tips will take you through to the next level and help you build on that initial attraction. Chemical attraction is beneficial for both people, because it's the most basic level of compatibility. Find a girl who likes your stinky armpits and you won't have to spend weeks or months trying to read her mind. She'll probably be the one who asks you out for a first date.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:11 am 
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I don't think you've shown certainty in any of the interactions you've shown. We've seen some pretty obvious green lights though I must add. The fact that you get the impression that she's confused could be right. She could be hesitant whether or not she likes you. This just means you need to be the one taking initiative. In her world of confusion and hesitation you will be the one with certainty and direction. The chemical and physical attraction mentioned earlier is completely out of your control and shouldn't be considered. Thought it brings up a valid point that you shouldn't be kicking yourself for failing. There will always be elements out of your control in these scenarios.

In the end thought I suggest you be more certain and direct with the direction you lead her in. Be the one who's certain and will lead her around. Be the man. I dislike the idea of trying to weasel your way into her life through trying to find her interests; I honestly think that stuff is for after you've entered a relationship and want to improve on it. For now, you need to focus on making it clear as the light of day what your intentions are.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:30 am 
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I dislike the idea of trying to weasel your way into her life through trying to find her interests; I honestly think that stuff is for after you've entered a relationship and want to improve on it. For now, you need to focus on making it clear as the light of day what your intentions are.
I certainly never said to weasel his way into her life by finding out what her interests are. Quite the opposite. I said that he should figure out if they share genuine interests.... I agree that he should make his intentions blatantly obvious. That being said, it is entirely possible to flirt with a girl while at the same time having a meaningful, stimulating conversation. Women have random guys flirt with them throughout the day, but if you can have a meaningful, friendly debate about something she's passionate about, she'll walk away from the conversation thinking about other things she wishes she had said to you. She'll be reading an article and wonder what your opinion will be when she tells you about it. This is only weaseling your way in if you pretend to be interested in something you're not. Don't do that. The average woman is used to guys finding out what she's into and then acting overly enthusiastic about it; asking tons of boring questions that she gets tired of answering. Don't be afraid to give your honest opinion (in a nice way) even if it goes against hers. Respect her opinion, but don't be afraid of it. She'll appreciate you for not being a chicken shit and even if things don't work out, at least she'll respect you for having balls.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:31 pm 
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Since I last saw her I have been going to the gym everyday, body shape has changed and got myself a wicked haircut!
Good job Smikes this is exactly the right answer.

She'll come around...or she won't. Your a slick enough dude to not care, you know there are plenty of others.

Continue to flirt and escalate when you see her....but make no effort to be with her, only show sexual interest.

Sexual innuendos and such, occasional dirty SMS's

Even if she does not respond to it, it's good practice.

Do not chase.

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