This is actually the first time I actually share an opener! I usually don't open chicks as I feel it is just a waste of energy, but this weekend, I decided to finally be a social machine and open chicks again like back in the days. So this weekend I accidentally used the opener I will describe here, giving me crazy results. In fact, even if I might got lucky, I managed to pull a one shot one kill with it. Short time after delivering the opener, the opener somewhat created room for quick escalation resulting into a bathroom pull. But in order to not feel like this was purely based on pure luck, after being done with the bathroom pull, I changed venue and tried it on a few girls in a different venue, with also great success - but it didn't go anywhere as I didn't follow up.

This opener is basically just "hit and run", meaning that you will go super direct and then just walk away. This opener is a direct opener, but as we know, direct openers rarely works and most guys who aren't super popular good looking guys, would get laid very rarely using direct openers. Personally, I prefer indirect openers - but not typical old school cheesy openers, just a random question works great for me, like "what song is this?"... because it is so innocent and the only purpose with opening is... to open her. Once you opened her, you have room to convey your personality and have fun. If you can't open, you cannot seduce her, so going for an opener that just works without too much room for failure seems more appealing - and that is why I prefer indirect openers. However, we all know that although direct openers rarely works, when it does work, it works really well! However there are two problems with direct openers - one being her "anti-slut defense" and the other being her bitchshield.

Anti-slut defense


Direct openers does indeed have an impact on women, but it often puts her guard up as she feels that whenever she accepts the frame you are imposing with your direct opener, she feels like being "slut", "easy to get" or "loose". To be more detailed, there are two possible ways women reacts negatively to direct openers, the first one being a heavy rejection resulted by the fact that she "can't" accept the frame you are imposing, which according to her, whenever a man communicates sexual content to her, is being equal to her as being treated like a cheap and loose woman - and to protect herself, she will reject you. The other option of negative reaction to direct opener is her making you work hard for her attention - she will act very ice-cold toward you and test you a lot, in order for her to not feel like an "easy target". As we know, women are scared of being perceived as easy-to-get - as sluts. Consider that it is her defense mechanism that causes her negative reactions. It is also important to point out that a woman can reject you just because she isn't attracted enough, or any other reason, nothing works all the time - the numbers game is a huge aspect of our field.


Bitch-shield

Another important factor that comes to play is "bitch-shield". Bitch-shield comes in many forms, but usually bitch-shield can be understood as women seeming socially closed or not willing to communicate with anyone. In many cases, women are reacting in a bitter and bitchy way toward men who approach them. But most of the time, these women still love the presence of a man. It makes no sense, but it might be more understandable if we cover one of the major reasons for bitch-shield - there are many reasons for bitch-shield that I won't cover here, I will just cover the most important one. Bitch-shield is a shield women has to avoid needy and stalkerish men. In fact, it is often the case that in clubs, whenever a woman reacts positively, just by giving a small smile toward a male approach, men starts seeing potentials in her and start following her around and become very needy around her. Women hate being around stranger men who they are not attracted to. Therefore, consider bitch-shield being a shield to protect her against these guys and seal out the guys she doesn't like (the stalkerish man) in order to find the one she likes, as women love being around men they like. The problem with direct opener is that it communicates to much of your interest in her right away which basically is fuel on the fire for her bitch-shield. Direct openers communicates to her that you are really into her, and therefore in order to not take the chance of being surrounded by men with stalkerish behavior, she decides to simply reject you, even if you might be a guy she would really love being around - she just can't risk getting another needy stalker. Another problem with direct opener is that is creates no mystery, less challenge and less room for her to qualify to you as you have stated too much of your intentions right away, resulting in her attraction being reduced as she feels "she already got you". Always let women wondering wether you want her or not.


Direct openers?

As we have seen, there are a lot of factors that will work against you when you deliver a direct opener. However, direct openers sets your desired frame right away and helps you cut the crap. It also has a lot of impact on her and if you deliver a direct opener properly, it can create attraction right away as it shows to her that you have balls, that you know what you want and that you are very confident. It can also make her very horny as women gets turned on by men who they find attractive, who are turned on by them. However as we have seen, a lot of odds are working against you. The ideal opener would then be a direct opener, without facing all the negative aspects of it - not triggering any bitch-shield or anti-slut defense. I found a solution to it, which I call the "hit and run opener". It is actually very simple to pull off.


The "hit and run opener"

The "hit and run opener" is basically a direct opener followed with breaking rapport - walking away from her. So it goes like this: you walk up to her, deliver a direct opener and then you just slowly walk away without giving her any reasons for you walking away. By walking away, you don't allow her ASD to take place as you just walked away and therefore the threat is gone, she doesn't feel the threat of being slutty or "loose" because you left her - so she has no way to communicate her resistance - her resistance, her anti-slut defense never took place and therefore it is non-existent. By walking away you remove her anti-slut defense. It is important to walk away right away as you would like to leave before she even reacts!

By walking away, you also remove a lot of her bitch-shield as you communicate non-neediness. You are basically saying "fun talking to you, you are hot, but you mean jack shit to me so I am walking away". For her, she not only feels safe that you won't stalk her as she thinks that if you are able to walk away so early, that means you definitely aren't needy and therefore won't stalk her. But at the same time, it creates a certain mystery around you - she might think "who was that guy?". It basically frames you as the mysterious secret lover that she can't get enough of - as you are leaving her right away after delivering that direct line (your opener), she will then be in a situation of wanting more, which is indeed very beneficial for you. Making her wanting more of your presence, especially when your presence is sexually loaded, is what makes you victorious. This is why this opener is so powerful.

When you walk away from her after delivering the opener ,it is important to walk away slowly as it makes you seem confident. If you walk away in a quick away, it will seem like you are running away from something - which is bad, really bad. You don't want to give her any reasons for why you are leaving her as it will kill off the mystery. Just walk away. But keep in mind that the delivery of the direct opener is also very important. Make sure you go up to her, grab her neck (in a soft way, don't be too ruff) pulling her closer to you and then deliver a direct line such as "you look really hot with these clothes on", delivered with a soft, but sexual tonality. Some touching is also key, like holding her neck and pull her close to you, is powerful, but you can keep a hand on her shoulder if you prefer. Also make sure to not face her, but instead just talk right into her ear - it creates more mystery when she haven't really seen your face, and you would like to save eye-contact for later on. It also gives you an opportunity to smell her hair or breath around her neck, which is a huge turn on for women. After you have delivered the opener, you eject by turning around and disappearing in the crowd before she even has a chance to react. She should feel like being strike by a thunder or something...

But you won't just leave it there. After having left her, you wait a little bit and then you re-engage in the same way, like for example grabbing her hand and saying "oh... there you are little girl" - and pull her into you. The opening will be more of a warm approach as you aren't a complete stranger to her anymore, but you are still very exciting as you are still Mr. Mysterious. Her level of attraction should be high as you have communicated attractive traits and she has been wondering where you have been and how you are like as she never really got any chances to get to know you. It also sets the right frame, which is a sexual frame. As she perceives you as a mysterious sexy and secret lover, it gives you a lot of room to escalate quickly and isolate. But in order to keep this frame on, avoid killing the tension by talking too much or making the vibe too social (until you have fucked her) as you would then be just like any other guys to her. Do not make the interaction too long as it will also kill the good frame and vibe you have created. If you sense things are going downhill, just eject and try again later - never stay in a set when things are not going forward. However, it might be the case the she reacts somewhat badly when you re-initiate the interaction. When that is the case, just leave her again and then try again even later. You can also just next her, this is often a better idea.


To conclude... an example

This week end I was out. I saw a girl dancing on the dance-floor. I walk up to her and whisper into her ear "hello lady, you look really sexy up there, I like it". She started looking at me but I was already walking away into the crowd. In fact, I was walking to the bathroom as I had to pee really badly. 15 minutes later or so, I spot her again on the dance-floor. I walk up to her: "oh, there you are again" and I grab her hand and spin her around before I pull her into me and look at her deep in her eyes. I could see she was into me so I escalated a little until I isolated her. When I was done isolating, I kept escalating in a "push and pully" way, which means that I take one step back, for every two step forward, this way she gets teased a lot. I also kept teasing her by moving my lips near hers and acted like I was going for a kiss but pulled back when ever she tried to kiss me. I also made sure to make the escalation mutual, so I made her touch me (everywhere), she was receptive. In the end she got so horny that, while still on the dance-floor, she was touching my dick without me even putting her hand there. She also put my hand on her pussy (outside her pant). Well, I just had to bathroom pull her. By the way I kissed her before bathroom pulling, and I need to tell you that she was such a bad kisser, it was horrible, so for me it was either: "fuck me or leave me, but please, don't kiss me anymore".

Good times.

-Teevster

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Great post. This is a solid opener especially for newer guys who may still have fear of rejection. This opener is also good because it doesn't waste too much time which is important in my opinion.

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"hello lady, you look really sex up there, I like it" - what the fuck? Where I come from, if you went up to a random girl and said that, she'd think you were either on drugs or have never spoken to a woman before. Glad it worked for you though bud.

When did women dislike hearing they are sexy? If she thinks you are on drug for thinking she is sexy, she probably has some issues - low self esteem maybe?

"Hi you look sexy tonight" - and then leave is hot. Especially when you come off as confident, and then just leaves her after delivering that bomb , so you become that mysterious seducer!

But as I noted in my post, and I made it really clear, is that women WILL give you shit for direct openers! Like if we take your example, she might ACT like she thinks you are on drug, but does she really think so? I consider it a shittest, a sign of ASD/bitchshield that needs to be handled with a certain reframe - which in this case is breaking rapport.

-Teev

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It's not so much calling them sexy, it's just the way you worded it. Is English your second language?

haha love it ! i would definitely use the hit and run technique when out sarging night life and im bound to see her again out infront of her club/bar having a ciggie or something like that. for her to approach me would make me feel alpha as f***. or while day gaming just for personal giggles. damn i love pick up !

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I have been doing this for YEARS, actually the way I work a social environment is I actually walk around a bar/club say hi to a bit of the people I know, and work the room, I'll compliment a woman and walk away. It lets them know the compliment was just that a compliment, not an offer to hit on her or anything of that nature (unlike the rest of the guys who compliment her). The compliment ends up holding more value, making her feel better, and you end up looking far more high value as a gentlemen who can simply offer a compliment.

Even better it lets you own the social environment, unlike an opener where you can get rejected, it relieves the pressure of the comment. After that you just work the rest of the environment building high social value. Then you come back to them and mention something about the compliment for instance I might compliment a woman's shoes in relation to her outfit and when I re-acknowledge her I may say "Hey fly kicks, how's it going?"

The biggest down fall is if you want to actually open a woman she can leave before you get back to her. So pay attention to whether she may be on her way out or whether she seems like she'll be here for a little bit longer.

What is nice about this style though is it offers and old style of repeated exposure to create attraction. Repeated exposure makes women like you more and more.

Dogz,

Women love being called sexy, you need to grow up and realize how big of an ordeal it is to call a woman sexy. It sets a sexual tone from the beginning of the interaction, the biggest key is to show yourself as an attractive potential sexual mate rather than some submissive guy. Self-confidence is essential to this style of game, if you don't have it then it won't work. There has to be congruency with your words and your body language.

I live in Utah, an extremely conservative environment and women still LOVE being called sexy. I think your perception of woman is irrational, women are sexual creatures who in my experiences almost always love sex on the same or a higher level than most men. As sexual creatures women love being called sexy, I'd bet money in any country, any place you can say a line like his (where you compliment a woman as sexy) and it would work with high self-confidence.

If you walk up to a woman and say that you will show a serious amount of skill with women, most women will take it as you being a potential sexual partner from NOW ON, I don't know about you but that is the exact energy I want for ANY conversation with a woman I'm attracted to you. Your lack of understanding of the potential of this statement shows a serious amount of inexperience with women.

I suppose if you were in an even higher conservative religious area that suffers to the point of religious persecution it wouldn't work but in any other environment I'd say it would work, including anywhere in the Americas(south or north), about all of Europe, Asia is a culture I'm not too educated on, Australia, many Islands, and a good size chunk of Africa as well.

Just saying you'd be in a very minority area if it didn't work.

Peace and Love,

vic

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Totally agree with the first half of your post and I always go with this at my regular club, as it works. As for the inexperience - I don't claim to have anywhere near the experience as some of the senior dudes on this forum, but for a 20 year old, I reckon I'm doing quite well.

However, the girls in my scene (18-21) are not sexual creatures! I'm from Australia and if you go up to a girl my age and tell her she's sexy, straight off the bat -she WILL NOT accept it as a compliment. However I'm sure if i go to other places with a slightly older crowd, this may have a much greater effect. But fair enough, I appreciate your post.

Would this work in a day time or is it more specific for clubs? And yeah is this mainly for older women or all women?

Woman 18-21 are especially sexual, they just aren't as comfortable with their primal sexual side and thus just completely deny it rather than accept it. It takes some serious You think automatically they begin to like sex at 22 or something?

Society imposes a belief on younger women, when you are younger your ego (spiritual) effects you on a much higher level. So if you have a younger woman who is completely influenced by the concept that sex is immoral or whatever else (like Utah), you need to get them comfortable then let them know it is normal to be sexual in my experiences.

If you are dealing with young women just start with a prerequisite.

"Hey, I never do this, but I just couldn't help it. I'm barely controlling myself as it is, You look downright sexy doll." (A bit of Cieran's Shock and Awe influence)

How many woman have you walked up to genuinely showed interest in her and said "Hey doll, I just had to come over and introduce myself, you look so damn sexy."?

In my personal (admitted limited) experiences Australian women are WAY more open with their sexuality then American woman so it catches me by total surprise that you couldn't say that to an Australian woman.

Perhaps you are right but I think you may be hurting your game by not realizing EVERY woman wants to fuck. They all do, it's not like you choose one kind or another, there is the rare gem that doesn't like or enjoy sex but I mean for you to say an entire age range means you are missing it. Woman are sexual creatures in fact many at a young age aren't comfortable with it and hide it but, if you make them comfortable with their sexual side, getting laid becomes easy.

When I was younger I would have agreed with you, but now that I see the other side and carry myself with utter sexual confidence starting with lines like that take you WAY further than a shoe or outfit compliment or whatever other line.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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I completely understand what you are saying but I think you misinterpreted my point. Doesn't matter. I didn't mean to talk about the sexuality of Australian women, more so the less likelihood of having a one night stand with a girl aged 18-22 at some of the clubs I go to.

As for that stupid approach method - I have used direct openers like 'hey I thought you were really pretty, so I had to come over and talk to you' several times, with great success. Never have they led to a one night stand but usually a phone number or coffee or something down the track.

Maybe what I should have said in the beginning (referring to your point about all women wanting to fuck) is that most girls around this age group don't want to be known for having sex with lots of guys, or participating in one night stands.

Anyways, this is getting a bit out of hand. Thanks for your discussion, but I'm happy to let it go!

I do this often at parties and clubs. You did a great job of breaking it down. I always found smiling and walking away to be imperative to take pressure off the girl and keep her intrigued. It's also much simpler to then approach and follow up.

I think it's important that the place has the right social norm. So a bar, club, party. You'd obviously approach differently in a library, gym, mall. Impressions of you would be completely different in each place if you used something similar to what OP is talking about.
It's also important for you and the target to be bounded by location. If you approach on the street and walk away, that's it.

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