So here's my issue: I learned like a LOT about game. I'm always reading about it and taking the advice I get from the members here (though I never been able to find any good sticky's or highly recommended post. I'm on an iPhone it makes searching difficult for me) but the thing is, I'm missing some essential parts of game.

I developed some routines I use, and methods but there's so many ways to do things I get confused!!! Everyone says go direct - yet I'm kinda too shy to go direct just yet but it feels more natural. Yet when I go indirect I never transition or do it right. My mistake is, I make it look to much like a normal conversation and not hit on her. But I noticed all the Really good pua's go indirect. Which might be a little easier for me.

I'm overcoming my fear of opening but I don't know what opener to use, I'd like something that REALLY gets high reviews from this forum that's funny. I like Cajuns, Do I loon like a drug dealer opener, but I just don't know what happens AFTER that. Could someone break down the process for me from start to finish using hypothetical lines.

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there is no game. if shes attracted to you she will give you her number if not she will say bye. its a yes and no answer. and you can only find out by being direct. ive said the wackiest stuff as my opener and i still manage to number close. i didnt approach her in a 90 degree angle like niel strauss thinks you should do, i didnt have no feather hat to peacock. just be yourself say whatever your feeling at that moment, girls no when you are using canned material and it just ruins the whole fun and goodness of the interaction. just even walk to a 10 and tell her "look ive been practising some pick up lines but damn you are phenomenal what is your name?". you ask any women you know if they have given a number to a random guy after 5 minutes. 99% of the time they say no, thats because 99% of the guys out there are bitches and its our job to hunt for them. This is the reason why getting numbers is so easy once you get rid of approach anxiety because girls are always interested in something new and challenging and giving a number to a stranger that acts like a boss is thrilling for them. peace

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[quote="simplesneaks"]there is no game. if shes attracted to you she will give you her number if not she will say bye. its a yes and no answer. and you can only find out by being direct. ive said the wackiest stuff as my opener and i still manage to number close. i didnt approach her in a 90 degree angle like niel strauss thinks you should do, i didnt have no feather hat to peacock. just be yourself say whatever your feeling at that moment, girls no when you are using canned material and it just ruins the whole fun and goodness of the interaction. just even walk to a 10 and tell her "look ive been practising some pick up lines but damn you are phenomenal what is your name?". you ask any women you know if they have given a number to a random guy after 5 minutes. 99% of the time they say no, thats because 99% of the guys out there are bitches and its our job to hunt for them. This is the reason why getting numbers is so easy once you get rid of approach anxiety because girls are always interested in something new and challenging and giving a number to a stranger that acts like a boss is thrilling for them. peace[/quote]

I disagree with this. This is coming from the standpoint that it's a complete numbers game and having confidence. Sure if you are confident and open shit loads of girls you will do alright. But the thing is if you have some good game to go along with this you will increase your numbers. I do agree that if you are using canned material and you aren't congruent with it you will come of completely disingenuous, but if you can find routines that fit your personality, or make up your own, you will be fine with them. At that points it's only a matter of calibration (as in when to pull out which routines), and the fact is that being calibrated is basically the same thing as being natural. Now let me explain. I am convinced that even naturals have "routines." They use the same material very often on different girls, it's just that it's either something they came up with, or their close friends did. I see little difference in that compared to using scripted material because it's just using something that works often... so it may take time to become congruent with it, but as long as it's not a story about you driving Lamborghini to Hollywood where you stared in a TV show and met 10 Playboy models (obvious exaggeration, but you get the point) then it's not some cardinal sin like I think some people believe it to be.
P.S. I know this is like 2 years late

I mean some of the greatest pickup artist's that I heard of go indirect, and basically they affirm that if you dhv, disquilify and neg than you'll get her, as long as you don't chase her. Yet, going direct basically shows you're chasing her.

Look I been studying for like 3 years maybe, my game gets better every day, but I'm not satisfied with it. So look. Basically, my mind works in a systematic way. So can you guys give me a systematic breakdown of how the interaction should go? THE HARDEST PART FOR ME IS OPENING WITH SOMETHING FUNNY AND TRANSITIONING.

Example:
OPEN> Hey guys do I look like a drug dealer? etc.,
Transition> ???????
Routine>??????
Disquilify>>>
Comfort>>>


If Someone can break it down for me, I'd habeva better understanding of it.

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There are no special techniques. You won't become more attractive. You will just become a dancing monkey always trying to impress the girl.

Why don't you stop reading, drop the forums and go out? Field Experience is king. Nothing else matters. Not what the moderators here say or whatever even I say. Everything is bullshit.

Yes, this is not easy. Too bad, but this is how it is. Go out for 1 year and see your progress. Don't go out a few nights, barely approach and than look for an easy way out because there is none. It's the experience + the determination & the belief that you will succeed and with TIME, you will be good.

Be patient, learn to enjoy being in the presence of women, enjoy the process, live with passion, success will come.


FlaiR

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Dude, I have social anxiety and a lot of other issues to over come - as well as low-self esteem. So it's not that easy for me It's getting a lot better, but here's the thing: I'm good at reverse engineering things. If I can see something done properly than I can teach myself hoe to do it.

So that's why if someone good break down the interaction and show what your suppose to say from beginning, middle and end I'd be able to understand it. Not that I just want to know, "what to say" that won't help, it's the tactics behind it.

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If you just want to know the tactics behind it, then specific wording isn't want you need. You simply need to understand the basis of each segment of a routine. The rest will make sense from there. Here's a basic three-part breakdown:

1. You need to open and establish comfort. Tell her your name, why you are there, and let her know you're not a weirdo.

2. You need to establish rapport and make her laugh. Talk about things you have in common, make some jokes, tell some stories, and DHV yourself.

3. You need to kino and close. Start flirting with her, touching her, and get her number, try to kiss her, get an instadate, or get her back to a bedroom.

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I agree with PUAninja

Best way is not to hold on to canned material, especially if your not cool with it. I tryed the drug dealler aswell few times and its cool actually but for me i like to just go round the club , make eye contact allot. Works so good , you know what set is good to open and because your running round the club being busy , anxiety fades for me as its just a spontanious event and it doesnt even feel like a approach. I do what spontanous comes at me.

For example i see a girl dancing in a kind of way , i kinda go in her flow / replicate a lil bit in a laughy unserious way. If she smiles its ok to go in and i just start a conv. Or if she's dancing really sexy or so i just pull her in make her grind on me. I think this way is very good because its congruent and girls sense if you are or not. If your just a try-hard why would she spend time with you.

Good one that works for me aswell is if a girl look a little sad or just sits / stands at the bar. Ill be frown with a sad face and brush my lips with 1 finger like buhuhuhu , go up to her and say hey whats up? you always like this?


Like said before i think eye contact / non verbal is crucial before starting a verbal conversation. It lets you know right of the bat what she thinks even before you go in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j72PZY_rzU4

Watch this vid and if you like it , this guy has so much more epic shit that made my life easier.

Ninja, thanks - made a lot of sense. If you can, please specify on how all of this is done.

What way do you open, establish comfort, build rapport, tell stories, DHV, get kino.
If you or someone else can give a text script of how this should be done it would help me understand it more.

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