I'm in college and have recently become close with this girl through being on similar sports teams and physics help. She's really attractive, but doesn't drink or go out much due to her sport. I've been talking with her over break (convos have stretched a couple days with a few texts a day and it resumes in the morning). When we go back to school, I'd like to make a real move on her, is something like going out for ice cream a good idea? Any ideas on how to escalate with her versus text? The main problem is that she's kinda really a "good girl" in that she doesn't go out much, never has drank, etc

I'm personally not too knowledgeable when it comes to dating and advancing with a girl, I think there is mutual interest here, and I don't want to mess it up

Sounds like you are already firmly ensconced in the friend zone with little chance of any romance. However the most you should do is ask her out on a date asap and knock off the friendly and helpful timid guy nonsense. You are going to end up an orbiter in the FZ while shes hooking up with the non-friendly self-centered asshole, maybe me.

Also never think "I dont want to make a mistake" Unless you risk mistakes, abnormal behavior, and fuck ups you will never have much game.

Alright thanks, I'll admit I'm doing it wrong, I seem to try and be timid too much instead of escalating and I recognize I have to change that, just not too sure how to.


In terms of trying not screwing up, should I just ask 'em out sooner?

well at least you know where you stand, thats the first step to becoming better. I would highly suggest you do the missions on this website and get some good PUA material, PM me for my recommendations, Ive read most of whats out there and been at this a long time.

Its not really a matter of asking them out sooner, its a game of getting them hooked properly and reeling them in correctly. Think of a 100lbs fish with a 10lbs line- thats game. You never properly hooked this girl with the right frame, and you are using rapport and comfort to form attraction and thats exactly the opposite of how you need to do it, and that is a main deliminator between the lovable loser AFC and the PUA.

Don't ask her out in an official capacity. Make it seem really casual. Like tell her you are bored and hungry and see if she wants to go get some icecream with you.

Aside from that, don't worry about taking her out anywhere. Just escalate whenever and wherever you are with her--whether it's studying or playing sports with her. Start teasing her or saying things in which she'll have to respond in a certain way, then push her, grab her, or hit her when she responds. If done playfully she'll be forced to laugh. Now you guys are having a good time together laughing and being physical. Then the next time you do something physical, it won't seem awkward or forced...especially when it's a little more physical than the last time. Eventually you start bear hugging her, or putting your arm around her and pulling her into you. Basically treat her like she is your play thing. Don't worry, she'll either give you ioi's or iod's to let you know if she'll tolerate it or not. If she gives you iod's freeze her out. If she gives you ioi's, proceed.

Once you have established a relationship of physical contact with the girl, by the time you start going out on dates it'll be completely natural to hold her hand, hug her, put your arm around her, etc. You have to pave the road before you can travel down it. Playful kino is the groundwork for sexual kino. So I'd recommend going that route since this girl may be a tough nut to crack due to being shy and conservative.

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This was really really good thank you! Could you just briefly touch upon the playful teasing and touching? But this sounds great and we'll have a week on campus without classes so it sounds like a perfect plan with all the down time.

I gave several examples of types of kino moves you could do, but you have to be creative. The key it to provide a reason for touching her so you don't seem like you are manhandling her for no reason. The same way that you tell girls the reason you approached them, you should also do the same when touching them. Obviously, in the context of you "retaliating" against something they said, you don't need to actually say "I'm going to body slam you because you called me retarded!" You simply pick them up and pretend like you are going to throw them on the ground because you are mad at something they just said.

And its winter now, so you could grab her arms or hands and ask her why they are so cold. Learn a martial art move on youtube, like a wristlock or something. And show it to her or teach her to do it on you. Then every once in a while you can be like "Wu-aw!" and strike a martial art pose to prompt her to fight you. Then you've got things like palm reading, the trust test, even goofy little hand games like thumb war. Tell her you are the undisputed intercontinental champion of thumb wars and pretend to try really had to beat her, but let her win. Then pretend to get all pissed off at her and tell her she cheated and then grab her and do that body slam thing I told you about.

Starting to get the picture?

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Thank you so much man this was really helpful. This is definitely where I struggle, with touching and advancing, but I'll try this stuff out and hopefully I'll start getting better.