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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:15 am 
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Hello mASF.

Background:

I am 21, and I started the whole PUA thing when I was 17. At that point in my life I was traveling for boxing which I teach and had the opportunity to get into Chicago clubs as part of a 'guys weekend' sort of deal. I was a super overweight boxer who trained under the late Manny Steward (For those who know boxing) and had ZERO social experience. Well, that is not so correct, I had a couple lays under my large belt, with a couple girls I met in High School and through boxing.

In one night I got shoved into what I know as 'sets' and got two K-Closes from drunk mid twenty women after some guys did great accomplishment intro's for me. I had to not have a pulse to close some wasted girls who just heard well known guys talk me up.

Still, one of the guys, who will remain nameless for his and his wives sake, had read the Game and shoved me into sets to get my feet wet. After a night of drunken mayhem, he introduced me to the community. I skipped The Game and went to The Mystery Method book, and went out. Day Game, Social Situations, sneaking into Clubs when possible, N/A Clubs, and at College.

I did some public speaking in College and High School after learning about PUA to improve. I also began keeping a journal about every social interaction and I also made an effort to break down each and every interaction and relationship between my friends and family to see what worked and what did not.

I have a physical sticking point of yo-yo'ing in weight due to a vast array of circumstances. I had a pretty interesting journey which shaped how I game and where I am at.



Haha, that was LOOOOOOOONNNNGGGG winded.

My first field report is one of interesting circumstances, I took a buddy out to day game for the first time.

12/10/12 - Another day at the office.


I game with mostly non-community guys. In fact, I discuss PUA things with only three guys, two of which are non community. I took out a buddy who was in a rut, he was kinda nerdy, but good looking and had a great job. He was a catch. He just needed permission to burst into sets.

First several approaches were me going into a set, opening, and him coming in three minutes later, and he picks the target he likes by our simple code of who ever he says hello to first.

Third set at a large mall went something like this:

Me: STOP! Come back here with that! Thieves!
Girls: NOOOO! We didnt steal!
Me: Are you sure, you guys look like trouble.

A couple quick teases thrown in and the group was hooked, the girls looked a bit young, 18 - 19. My bud came in like clock word and starts trying to chat up one girl, so I stop her from talking (Rudely) and did a bit accomplishment intro on him. I hard disqualified myself to the girl he liked by back turning her, cutting her out of the rest of the group and myself. I had to entertain her two friends so I decided to 'test' material I used before but did not know if it worked in the past because the girl was into me, or it was good stuff.

Me: You two ladies seem cool. Are you cool?
Them: Yes.
Me: GOOD. I hate fun girls. You must make it up to me.
Them: How?
Me: Mall threesome.
Them: *Silence*
Me: *Silence*
Them: *Girl Coding*
Me: Cut that out! We use our words.
Them: Are you serious?
Me: Very
Them: You would do it in the mall?
Me: Do what?
Them: *Whispers* Have a threesome.
Me: NO! I WILL NOT HAVE A THREESOME WITH YOU TWO.

I call that one routine my awkward threesome bit. I used it before. It boils down to me creating a shit test at best, or a chance to bust women on eye coding. It really does work every time I tried it, so twice.

At that point my buddy and his girl merged with us, and I had BT spiking like crazy. They were really into me, and my bud got the other girls number, so I dropped my interaction and told them to be good or else we would not hang out again.

Fast foreword a few hours, another buddy and I went out to a lounge. Zero targets at first. One group came in and I was slow on the ball and the two girls each went outside with guys they came with and were kissing outside.

I SHOULD have pulled the trigger. I tend to not due to social pressure. I can be so AFC at times, it sickens me. After going out so long and for five days a week and at night on the weekends.

Things do turn up though. We went to a diner we frequent. The waitresses love us. I picked up two of them months back before it became out 'spot'. One quit because she found out the other waitress and I hooked up and she had a thing for me. We never dated, per se. I feel bad about her.

The other is a decent looking girl, average body. But, she has a bubbly and playful personality. MY TYPE. I would consider a relationship, except she was going no where in life.

A short synopsis of the previous waitress pull:

Me: Princess, could I get my drink?
Her: NO! *Playfully*
Me: You keep it up, and I wont pay.
Her: Then I would just chase you down.
Me: I dont think so, I have the speed of a cheetah and you have the speed of a billy goat.
Her: I would so catch you!
Me: If you cant get me my drink, then you are not fast enough to catch me.

Break in our conversation, my wing got kinda antsy. Not community blows in situations like this. She left.

She brings my drink, and picks up the role play.

Her: I just snuck up on you and you didnt see me coming.
Me: You still cant catch me.

She then grabbed my arm. It was pretty on, so I did the whole "Thats five dollars" and my meal would be free if she keep it up.

Her: I am not paying you!
Me: You can look all you want, but if you touch it you buy it.
Her: What if I dont want it?
Me: You know you want it.
Me: *Tension break* So, when are we gunna race?
Her: I dont know.
Me: When do you get off? .... OF WORK!
Her: *Giggle* Twelve.
Me: *Looks at watch, its 11:45* I guess its a race.

I sent my buddy home at 11:55 and her and I walked out together, went to employee parking, and 'raced' until she caught me, I joked about always finishing first, and I did some quick escalation by trying to kiss right away. Did not work. So I spun her around and went for it again. Worked. I told her to stop as my priest told me this is why I was not going to get into heaven. She giggled. BT spike.

We laughed all the way into her car and I full closed her.



Now, this matters because tonight, we come in and she is working, but looks a tad, shall we say, puggy. Specifically around her stomach. She walked by and locked eyes, smiled, and scurried away.

At first my wing said she was acting weird. Then he noticed her belly. I did not. Then she had a co worker help her lift a chair, and he said, "DUDE! SHE IS PREGNANT!"

Our mutual shock turned into confusion then panic when he asked if I hung out wit her after he left. I said yes but I wore protection, and threw away the remnants. No way it was mine.

It was funny and terrifying at the same time. To all my fellow PUA's, I hope you never think you got a girl pregnant.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:52 am 
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LR - 12/11/12

Went out day gaming it. I went to a local outdoor mall, and was fishing around and saw mostly mom's and teenagers. I opened a few younger girls and busted on them for skipping class, but nothing caught my eye.

I decided to then start working on body language, so I opened as many sets as possible the correct indirect way with my body facing away and loud voice projection. It went pretty well.

I ran out of steam when I saw a gal who fit my check list perfectly in the looks category (Well, one of the ideal types of women I like). I went to approach and spurred my wheels. I was not at all PUA like.

Interaction went something like this:

I approached at an angle while she was window shopping. I angled off and asked if she thought the purse she was looking at would look better with her, or me.

She was very shy and gave me NOTHING back. Maybe I like bubbly girls because they play back? I try to plow but blank out, so I revert to some routines. It is not hooking, my voice is cracking when I try to deliver materiel. I have dated and been with better looking women, it just was not clicking. But, she stayed with me. I started to fill the void with come qualification to drag along time for my brain to catch up with the interaction, did not work. I was not flowing.

Its cool, this happens to me every hundred approaches or so. I blank out. I pull out my phone, my cheat sheet/prop, and ask her if she ever had a blackberry. I went on how I loved it for business. I sprinkled in some SOI's when she began to invest more.

I successfully did some great damage control and got to the point of a number close. Not that clean, but I texted her for a while, and later in the day when I went to the bar.

I went out to happy hour. I drove to a semi-business city, where many local PUA's go on the weekend. Guys try at this place and women know it, but happy hour? No one shows up but some business professionals.

I have a pretty good SNL system which I try to use every week. Its my structured approach, where I go to a gal who does not like me, and try to condense things. No room for error, its how I practice my structured game. Its something I like to go out and keep sharp, especially after having a big blank out earlier in the day.

I see two secretaries venting after a rough day at the office. They were at the bar, so I reached between them to get the bartenders attention, where the venue had maybe ten people in it total, plenty of open space.

This make it great when I said, "Well *Pause* EXCUSE ME." I first say well and glance at each of the women, let it sit long enough to build tension and become funny, and I smirked. I transitioned quickly with "You two are trouble, getting in people's way and causing all kinds of ruckus."

I keep deep eye contact with one of the gals. When I walked between the two I was looking foreword, not facing either, pushing more awkwardly through them but signaled no specific interest. One looked at my face, then to my crotch when I did this. Thats a HUGE IOI when you get it. It means she is ready to get down.

It took about 45 minutes to get her from the bar to her place. How?

I use Sinn's structure as seen in the 21 convention for my SNL game.

Pre-Opener is social comfort. "Well"
Opener is the start of rapport break which quickly goes into light teasing all under two minutes.
I then *This is the key to my structured, no calibration SNL's* build comfort through frame setting qualification AND I figure out logistics.

Examples of my basic logistical questions I use for every set I intentionally want a SNL:

So, how do you know each other?
Whats on the agenda for tonight?
Where do you live?

And so on. My fluff talk in attraction/qualification/comfort is all logistics. It works like a charm 100% of the time.

I cycle logistics into a tease. I then use take-aways and big qualification in order to solidify attraction as my generic 'attraction' stuff.

Onto the actual pull. The girl who was into me was a short blonde in a charcoal blazer/skirt outfit with her hair tied back in an attempt to look professional. I was digging it, so I let her know. Although she like me, but, she keep shying away. It was strange for me, because she was throwing IOI's at me, but not giving me any tests.

So I went for it, I grabbed her hand and told her friend that we were going to get ice cream, and asked if the friend could make it home safely. She went, and I dragged her to an ice cream parlor a few shops down on the plaza. She then threw a test at me, "Who said I was going to leave with you!" I brushed it off by patting her lower back, pushing her to the door.

We got outside and she locked up, a pull at 5 pm was kinda weird. I then dropped some C/F to force another test, which I passed by just ignoring it and changing the subject to more logistical stuff when I found out she lived near by.

I then ran some attraction again, qualified her again, and kissed her. She looked nervous around and said, "I dont want my coworkers to see." I said I understood and led her to her house.

I got a LOT of LMR with her, she keep thinking her friend/coworker would know. That took quite some time to get passed. I essentially had to be playful again and keep pumping how she felt and cycling rapport breaks.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:34 am 
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I read a couple books on psychology a couple nights ago as well as body language. I fine tuned some aspects of my game to be more 'natural' as well as some voice projection exercises. I decided to test my theory on frame stacking friday night. It is in the NLP section. Short version is to set frames and get massive attraction through the avenue of putting out outrageous frames which provokes a congruence test, and to then set a second frame off of the test.

I teach as apart of my profession, and love it. I also hand out advice on game to those who want to learn and are willing to go out. I was speaking with a non community mate about my day of going around a grocery store and working on approaching girls who were shy and showed me no invitations to open.

I created the belief of assuming she does not give me approach signals, that means she is low self esteem and simply is so into me SHE is afraid of rejection. Girls not socialized or who do not have high self esteem will have a set of body language (For those who have studied sub-communications in depth) that the community would infer as a 'red' light. In bar's generally this is true, during the day I find the opposite true.

To boil it down: NO IOI's MEANS SHE IS SUPER INTO YOU AND SHE THINKS HER VALUE IS LOWER THAN YOURS.

After discussing this a bit in a bar I started to chat up hired guns and work the room. I love hired gun game, a lot of my pulls are waitresses. I then go to the can and find a line and chat up a gal who was cold, but using my rule I assumed she wanted me, and worked opened with a tease and then went into deep comfort, it worked like a charm. She started rapport and it went well until an AMOG came in and tried to show off to ME. Not her, ME. I peacock with my normal attire (Not a community thing, I have a couple pieces that get me attention because I LOVE them) and I opened his girl earlier in the night. He comes in and opens us, and attempts to gain my approval. He AMOG'ed HER to get me to accept him.

Him: Hey dude. You know, I am friends with the owners. If you want/need something let me know.

Me: Oh, cool. *I eye roll him and girl code the chick*

Me: I know the owners too. *Backturned him*

Him: Yeah man...

Me to chick: Anyways, check this out.

This dude would end up screwing my night up later on, I should have really blown him up like a chick would with "Dont talk to me" but hey, I did not think it was a big deal.

About 45 minutes later my bud and I go to bounce and a young gal is blocking the door to get out, and I was ready to go, so I said flatly, "Well EXCUSE ME." I had no interest in her and I thought it was hilarious. She gave me this look of, "YOU ASS HOLE" and rather than supplicate and pushed the door she was leaning on our to leave and the AMOG came back.

Him: She is with me. Whats the problem?

Me: Your little girl doesn't know her manners. *I got playful to mess with him*

Him: No need to push her.

Me: I did not lay a hand on her. I do not touch women.

Him: Bro, yes you did.

At this point I realize I SHOULD just AMOG him, call the bouncer I know over, and pull my buddy up who was behind me. We both are about a 180 lbs and the AMOG was a pencil neck. That is how you handle the situation properly. But me, I love a good scuffle and the split second decision I made was to push him into hitting me. Why? The girl I opened earlier was now behind my buddy all wide eyed and her friends were asking my buddy why the guy was being such a dick to me. Plus, did I mention I like fighting?

Me: Buddy, this is not a road you want to go down.

Him: Apologize to my girl and me.

So I laugh in his face because it was NOT his girl, I opened his girl and he was trying to just be a dick. He starts yelling and some guys come over to help him out. Before this turns into a brawl I decide to be a man and settle it. I walk right up in his face and angle off into a boxing stance, lock eye contact, puff out my chest pinch my thumb and finger together and get it very close to his chest (This body language is key, by not actually pointing at him it disarms his defense mechanism while the rest of my body language indicates authority) and tell him "I did not touch any girl in here, but if you want to take this outside we can. If I were you I would take my advice and ask the bouncers why they wont get between us."

Dude looks around and see's the bouncers just watching from across the bar. He looks back at me, wont lock eyes and backs up.

My bud and I get outside and bust up laughing.

Him: You see that chicks face when you blew her off?

Me: That was hilarious!

Him: Yeah buddy!

Girl from earlier walks up and opens us and asks me what happened. So I over dramatize that this CRAZY guy just tried to pull the girl at the door home and I stepped in to help her because thats just not cool. But I was obviously messing with her so she called me on it, and we laughed and bantered on it.

I then told her to get her friend to drive my buddy home so we could go home. She shoots back that she doesnt even know my name. I tell her my name, and she then give me this look of "I am about to give you a shit test" which is the common facial expression of "Who on earth do you think you are" so I brace myself.

Her: I am not going home with you.

Me: I never said you were going home. I am going home, you are coming with me.

Her: I am not going to your place.

Me: Dont worry, my bed is a queen and my dog does not take up a lot of space.

Her: You have a dog?

Me: *I run the you remind me of my dog gambit.*

She then tells her girl friend to take my buddy to his place. They are bot confused so I break the tension by calling it out. I tell them no funny business and tell them the girl and I were just going to chat more. It worked because she told her friends this super nice guy talked to her earlier, so her friends knew I was that guy and liked me.

This was a great SNL. When we got to her place (Closer than mine and her room mates were dropping my buddy off) I realized she looked young. So I ask for her ID. She laughs and I am dead serious. She tests me on it and I remain strong and tell her this is serious, she looks young. She shows it to me, 18. Cool. I then tease her for sleeping with the bouncer to get into the bar under age.

I then got her number, build more commonality because she was nervous. I told her I liked her from the first time I started chatting with her and regretted not asking for her number then, but I do not like the whole hook up at bar scene because you never get to know someone (Which is all true, I believe this). She agreed and all LMR and anxiety went away.

We got busy in her bed room until her friends got home. My comfort took too long. Damn, need to tighten that area of my game up. She started telling me to hurry and finish. Not to put my clothes back on, just to get my jollies out the way before her friends caught us. I oblige her. I get to the point, she tells me to stop and she finishes the job her self. I like this girl, straight to the point and aggressive.

We put out clothes back on and we just cuddle. Kinda weird, she needed that. She was not the SNL type of gal. I was just the type of dominant guy she liked.

I find that being a bit 'boy friendy' helps speed up seduction quite a bit. It works because that is my goal, find the right gal. If you are not at this point, showing interest would work I suppose. He friends knock on her door and she invites them in and they eye code, her friends realize what was up and apologize and leave her room.

I go to leave and she brushes her teeth before she tried to kiss me good night. I really appreciate that sort of thing. Her friends start to grill me and I humor them by being chill as possible. I dislike drunk friend grilling. One girl in particular did not like the fact I had them drive my buddy home. Like a hyena she was circling the table. I played her game to make her happy until she asked if all I wanted was to F*** her friend. I got defensive quick and said, "Dont talk about your friend like that. She is a cool person and we hit it off."

Her other friends looked at the Hyena waiting for her to apologize for being rude. I said what a girl would say to a guy bad mouthing one of them. She respected me for that.

My girl (Her name is Stacy) comes into the living room and asks if I wanted to stay and I said I had to get up early but would call and she walked me to my car. I decided to debrief her and asked her when she knew I was THAT guy. She said when I came up to her and was just a normal guy. She thought I was interesting before and just was happy that I said hello. Nice to know.


Another fantastic lay under my belt. Weekend before Christmas and no strange DTR conversation, which I was stoked about. I wonder when I call her sunday if we will have one?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:22 am 
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I build my social circle not going out. I build them like I did when I was an AFC. I build a strong bond, build a real connection and become 'brothers' with guys. I then help them get the type of relationship they want. They want a GF, Wife, Fiance, Sex Buddies, to try and pick up, what ever. This is just something fun we do together.

One buddy of mine is great looking. He gets IOI's, girls approach him. Its great that even if he were still single, we like different types of girls. I like a fun playful girl who will test me. Although this made my road to any success rough, and blows me out a LOT as party girls will drop you for a hotter guy in a second, it means I can work the girl I like as desired.

Another great night of this. We went out to hang out together and watch football. Two gals walk in. I dont rate chicks on an HB scale. I dont because every guy does it wrong. A HB5 is am average chick, not ugly. HB 7 is good looking. On looks they were 7 and up. I look at girls like 1 or 0. Would or would not. I then screen the shit out of them. Dont like her outfit? She is bitchy? I dump and move on.

These girls were Hipsters. I have a special place in my heart for a girl willing to go to a bar and peacock like so. It shows they like and want the attention. So I approached. They were giggling at the bar trying to vie for the bar tenders attention.

I cut them off before they get drinks because although its bad game, I wanted to settle back and watch the game.

Me: HEY. This is a no giggling zone.

Them: *Girl Code to blow me out.*

Me: We communicate with our words guys. Not our eyes.

Friend: We have boyfriends.

Me: SO DO I! He is over there *Points at wing* Lets go talk about shoes together.

They move with me. Not super clean game, but I had to start getting compliance and the one I wanted did not hook. They move before getting drinks. So I knew I had a small window.

Target: I want something to drink.

Me: Dont worry about it. They will come and bring them to us.

Target: You are going to buy me a drink?

Me: No. People buy me drinks.

Target: I dont believe you.

Me: I get it. You are the groups negative Nancy.

Target: No Im not! *Seriously upset by my statement*

Me: Its ok. I am super positive so you can keep me grounded. Its gunna snow tonight isnt it? Or even better! The Mayans played a joke on us and the world ends tonight.

Friend: That would be terrible!

Me: If it did I feel glad for you guys.

Friend: Why?

Me: You only knew me for a few hours.

Target: Is that so?

Target gets antsy to leave, she realizes my wing is not interested.

Wing: Of course it is so. Do you know who this guys is? (He then does a decent accomplishment introduction to save set)

Target: I dont believe you.

Me: That makes two of us. Whats up with the glasses and my grandmothers sweater?

Target: Uh, this isnt your grandmother sweater.

Me: Yes, yes it is. You stole it didnt you?

Target: Nooo! I would not steal your grandma's sweater.

Me: Prove it.

Target: How?

Me: Future Adventure Projection about battling the weather conditions to go to a cabin in the woods to meet my grandmother, little red riding hood style.

Target and Friend: That sounds like fun!

Me: I dont know if I trust you guys enough to meet my grandmother.

Girls: You can trust us!

Me: I need to make sure you two are not serial killers. Whats your names? *Give names* Ok, you Facebook? *Yes* Pull it up on your phone. *Comply* Cool.

Wing: Arnt you going to add them?

Me: Nope. I dont facebook. Give me your numbers.

Girls comply and give me their numbers. I them give them nicknames in my phone. I always give one girl I dont like the same nickname just in case my wing does not know who I like. In this case I called my target Cup Cake.

Cupcake: Thats a weird nick name.

Me: So it fits perfectly.

The rest of the interaction went very tight. Compliance again to a better seating situation for TV. A few statements on interest.

I then go for the K-Close and get it.

Nothing special about this night. Just showing some non-optimal openers and goof ups can be recovered.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:29 pm 
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My field reports are strange, I often have sex but still label them as FR's. Why? They are never just about the lay. I go out and mess up and succeed before I get the right girl for the lay.

Who goes out on X-Mas Eve to get laid? The White Lion does. Why? The Ultimate Challenge. Church girls. I dont like non-aggressive girls. I like bubbly gals. I sound like a broken record, I know, but I like a challenge. Girls I dont dig, check. Girls who are super religious, check. Chicks who swear celibacy, check. What can go wrong? EVERYTHING. What went wrong? EVERYTHING.

Super teaser. I know. Church girls in a church I attend once a year in an 'urban' setting (Detroit) and I cant just cold approach them. I blow out with one, I ruin my shot with all of them.

First gal was a cute black chick who was a natural babe. A bit chunky but curvy in the right places. I opened with some very casual stuff, could not get her to open up. Odds are it was from my lack of interest. I was not 'on'. This is no excuse, but it was eleven pm, I worked four hours at the gym ad was up since 6 am. And she was not my type. SNL, yes, but, not digging. Could not vibe, at all.

Second was a homely white girl. So darn shy, and she got colder. Dare I say, insulted.

I then apologized, backed my ship up, and decided to reflect. What did I do in the last two sets, and what have I been doing recently to mess up and often offend girls? I Break Rapport right away. In fact, I am just socially prude and rude a lot of times. Why? Too much blow me or blow me out. Harsh environment to figure this out but it worked.

No swearing at, yelling at or insulting women off the bat. I need to re-tool my openers to build more comfort upon the approach. I need to assume I am the prize and she is shy all the time, not that I am the prize and need to strike hard to get my desired results.

Short one, as I stopped gaming, lack of viable targets. Merry Christmas boys.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:17 am 
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I was at a usual lounge and with my wing (I need to nickname him....Beast will do. He is the usual natural I go out with) and ran into an old buddy. We chatted a bit and had a serious conversation, real deep. Two gals came in with a pack of AMOG's and blocks in tow. One gave me mad smiles and eye contact. I was wearing my normal peacock item, which draws attention to me. I love it.

What do most AFC's do? Look away and blush. I looked at my bro's and realized that I should not approach. A pack of AMOG's in a place I frequent is not the set I should go up to and run hard fast club game. I decide to wait. I waited, and waited. Waited until my deep conversation ended.

One gal keep looking over at me. She looked Dominican/French. She had a sophisticated look, well put together, but young. Interesting cup of tea.

I use my old buddy as a pivot, he knew some guys walking in, so I had him go open them and introduce me to them. I walked over and keep eye contact with the HB within the proximity. I then faced the group, winked, and walked away.

I was running pure direct body language game. Something I have been working on quite a bit. I sat down and she keep eye contact, then played with her hair. Screw indirect at this point, I was one step above direct, I was speaking in girl. A rare language NO other guy could speak.

A side note, I am an UGLY dude. This is a mental frame I keep. I am overweight, have messed up skin and teeth. I frame my self esteem like this in not a manor which hurts self esteem, I adopted it AFTER I got good at gaming. So every success I get comes from my personality. So when I blow out, it is always because I could not convey myself well enough. She was digging me, not my look, nor personality yet. She loved my vibe.

I broke eye contact to continue my conversation, and looked back to her and waved my hand to get her to move her friend out of her seat so I could sit in their group. At this point our non-verbals were in line so she caught on.

I opened with the every so tactful, "Hey, how have you been?" I stole this from Gambler. It works not only in this type of interaction, but I open with it when chasing a gal down in the street. It works when she KNOWS its a joke. And it disarms the group. The AMOG's had been trying to keep her attention all night and got frustrated, but our hour eye contact session ruined his chance.

I followed the open with a cold read of, "You seem very sassy tonight? Which one of you guys let her start drinking again?"

Blank faces was a bad reaction, so I emphatically stacked, "What, she didn't tell you about our baby?"

A look of terror came over the guys, and the girls busted out laughing. They all got the joke(s) and approved. I told them to simmer down (On a side tangent, Simmer is a word a teacher once told me in HS/Secondary. Whenever I would act up, I would get told to simmer down. I was kinda a smart ass so I got told it quite often. It is chick crack when I drop it in a mocking tone.) and started chatting to the guys.

One AMOG tried to bust me on my too tight shirt. "Dude, your belly is showing." I said, "Thanks man, I show it off to get attention. (Long pause while looking him intensely, think crazy eyes) But not from guys bro." Another laugh line. I told the girls to settle down or I would teach them their manners. The groups CB interjected. Some garbage about who do I think I am. I took it as a shit test and tooled her infront of her boyfriend. He thought it was funny. Telling a girl she needs to put her muzzle back on is risky, but she was laughing before hand, so I risked it.

I could tell the group was connected by one girl. The two attractive girls were here friends, so the opinion of the rest of the group did not matter.

I then stated small talk with my target. Asked her why she kept looking at me, I busted her for being my stalker. I qualified her on it, telling her I like the loyal type of girl.

This was relationship framing. I love it. Even for SNL's. In fact, my SNL game SKYROCKETED once I blended hardcore sexual framing I stole from Sinn and mixed it with my own relationship framing. The combination of getting her to agree she is a fun and adventurous person while getting her to comply to the demand I only hang out with loyal and non-flaky girls is a mix which means my comfort is like speed chess. I simply continue to qualify, allow her to qualify me and expand on a couple qualifiers she fishes for.

If she wants to know where I work (A serious question in rapport) I expand on it to the point that we connect. A couple questions like this and comfort is over.

Back to the LR.

She asked me what I do during the day. I said, work, sarcastically. She told me she thought that I was rich or something. I told her I left my rich girlfriend to come and meet someone special tonight. She loved it. She asked what I do, I told her my occupation and dived deep into the nuances of it and why I do it and where I plan to go with it.

When a girl asks me what you have going on during the day, its a logistical question. It is, "Hey, if we hook up, can I spend the night?"

I needed to move her so I had her come with me to the bathroom. I asked her if she needed to 'tinkle'. She said she did, I said I would show her. Her GF, the other HB did not interject. She knew what was up. But HB Frenchie (This name is gold, HAHA) said she would not be long and she knew I was safe. Funny, how when I once ran DHV stories about professional fighting I would get safety issues, now it is assumed.

We got to the bathroom and told her I needed help. I was handicap. She thought it was funny. At this point I had no Kino going. Not sitting next to her or near her made it socially awkward to do so. Darn.

My buddy texted me during this predicament and told me it has been 20 minutes, to just get her number and hurry back. I used that as a prop to grab her phone out of her pocket (Rear) and I ordered her to call Beast and tell him I was safe and with her. Frenchie did, and she loved the thrill. We were in our own little world running away from our friends in order to sneak off and do something crazy.

We then go into the handicap stall, I lead her by her hand and I hang up her cell phone. I busted her on seducing me and not knowing my name. We swapped names and numbers. I like to run more compliance games on a girl when doing a pull like this because a lot of times girls freak out or their friends will swoop in and mess it all up. She thought it was funny. She got squirmy so I had to get her accustomed to what was going down. I gave her a peck and told her to calm down, that was the best I could do.

I said we should get back to her friends, and that she had to meet my bro. I then teased her on not being a good kisser. Hot and Cold, Hot and Cold. I cycled with kiss games ad gambits to build sexual tension and then got touchy. She was the direct and playful type of girl I LOVE. She went for my pants, and I pushed her back and initiated the fun.

Within 30 minutes from verbal open to close, we went back. I gave her the once over to make sure she was put together the same as before. I gave her a slap on the ass and tugged her hair when we walked out the bathroom. The owner saw me and just grinned. Nice guy, he knew what was up. He rags on me for not being the loyal type like my wing, so I am GLAD he did not open his mouth.

We go back to her group, an AMOG starts shit. "Where have you two been?" "What took so long?" I told them I introduced her to the owner, a nice guy who will take care of them if I let them come out with me again.

I tell her to come back to meet my wing and buddy. My buddy was digging her, tried to run his game. Another natural, who is a social proof machine. Too bad I slept with her, used him as a pivot and for leverage already, and also had locked down great compliance and qualification. Bummer! With most naturals its a dog eat dog world. I never got the whole game respects game. At the very least with true tens. If a guy really digs a gal, he goes for it when he is a natural. Most naturals are oblivious to the whole social dynamics and body language level of communication, they are more entitled to sex with women and have the right attitude, not the understanding of this all.

He knows I pull, but wanted her. That type of girl normally LOVES the attention. But she was dreamy eyes over me. I cant explain it. She was still in the moment we had.

I made the mistake of not sitting her next to me. I solved this predicament by telling her to bring her friend over, she looked bored and worried. When she grabbed her and they both girl codded and giggled. This type of thing NEVER happens, right?

We then made plans to hang out. I set up plans for New Years Eve. I already had plans so I rolled her into them. Going to a club. She got cold. I realized she wanted a relationship. I am now surprised I got a quick lay with so little comfort. Comfort is the worst part of my game (Rapport). I changed plans to go to the movies with her and her friend. I offered the friend to come, AFC? Nope. Not when I fear buyer remorse and the fact I knew I was lacking and my compliance could only go so far.

She looked surprised, in a good way. I played it right. I started to text my wing to share the details. She started to laugh at her. Ouch. She pestered him so I sent her a text telling her to save me. Some super cute girl just took advantage of me and wont call me back. We played a bit until my buds were getting antsy so I decided it was time to bounce to the next venue. Frenchie left with me. She has a very cute bottom, which was noticeable as I pushed her to the door quickly. We got outside and kissed. It was a PG-13 kiss. I wanted to leave on a charming note.

She yelled, "Call meeee!" as I hopped into my wing's car. I waived and left.

At our nightly debrief I went over what I did correctly and incorrectly. I shoot Frenchie a text and asked her when did she know she liked me, and she said when I opened my mouth. I asked which time. Golden nugget that was.

We started chatting about why I asked that, she then asked when I knew I liked her. The right answer? Anything not about looks or sexual is the community norm, but I am a rebel. I told her I loved her playful eye contact, that I rarely find a girl who looks as good as she did while also being so much fun. I also told her I also liked how she sheepishly smiled when we held eye contact.

Real mushy gushy stuff. I was validating her. She asked me how late I would be up and then if she could come over. I told her I had to go to the seduction board to brag, so could not. Well, not exactly, I told her I did not have my own place and she could come over but I would rather her not. She got defensive.

HBFrenchie: You dont want me to meet ur family?
HB: :( I thought you weren't one of those guys
Me: How old are you.
HB: 20. Y?
Me: I dont like to bring girls home unless it is serious.
HB: We arnt serious?
Me: We might be, but I dont know yet.
HB: Why not?
HB: Is it something I did?
Me: No.
Me: I think you are great, its a rule.
HB: Thats a stupid rule.
Me: I have a dog.
HB: WTF?
Me: I love my dog. She was my mom's til she died. I wont bring a new person over in the middle of the night to my room and kick my dog out of my bed for you.
HB: Aww. You sleep with your dog?
Me: Yes. Its a poodle.
HB: I love poodles!
Me: If you are good I will bring her when we hang out.
HB: Tomorrow at 2, right?
Me: Yup. I will pick you up. Dont make me wait. Wear something sporty or you will hurt yourself.
HB: :)
HB: I will.
HB: Love ya. Nighty Night. :3

That was a sobering text. "Love ya." is heavy. I can tell she will be clingy but so far I may keep this one. She was very fun, going to school to be a nurse and a HB9 in my books.

What I learned:

- Trust my gut.
- When calibrated, go for it, when not, be cautious.
- Run every set the same once you get a groove.

What I did well:

- Waiting for window to open.
- Keeping eye contact.
- Working my resources.
- Good fundamentals.

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FR: The guy who pulls out his phone to take FR notes.

When I flesh out these FR's I read them off my phone. I jot down my deepest thoughts in field, what worked, what did not, and so on. Does this seem weird? HELL YES. But, its a huge take away. I did this when I first started as a take away, but I decided I could improve my game with Functionality.

Frenchie called me, asked to go out. I already had plans. So, I told her she could tag along and help me pick up chicks. She thought I was kidding, she realized I was not when we met up.

We met at a bar. My bro's were chatting with me. How I normally game is I have a fun social time, and then open socially. I am Mr. Fun. This game is easy, like fish in the barrel. Frenchie asked if I wanted to dance. NO. She asked why I was ignoring her. She had nothing interesting to say. I started working the table next to us. HB7, younger gal, red head. Frenchie had a brunette/auburn hair color going on. I dig that color, especially on her. I like red heads, they want attention. Frenchie wanted some, but cant handle the attention.

HB7 was a loud girl, party girl. Tease and flirt with guys to get what she wants. I call her biscuit. She asks why, I say her's looks delicious. Before she could object I tell her she is a little shit, dragging guys along for fun. But it was ok, that I loved that about her.

Her head was spinning and she was attracted. Frenchie did not know what to do, I ALMOST hurt her feelings. I stopped before things got ugly. Pulled out my phone and made notes.

I ignored her a bit, then got touchy. She got irritated because I was messing with her. A guy then opened her and she decided to get some revenge and chat with him. That was cool for me. I got up and went to the can, and got opened by a girl who was waiting for the ladies rest room. She really had to go, so I teased her to go outside. She was at the family bathroom so I asked who she was going to bring into it with her. Her GF approached and I back turned and told her it was rude to not introduce me to her lover.

More light banter. Every time things got stale I would cut the interaction off and open someone else. The girl keep complaining about the bathroom being occupied and she told me she would do ANYTHING for my help. She pounded on the door. I told her "NOT LOUD ENOUGH" and beat it with the fury of a drunk man needing taco bell at 4 am. No answer. I said someone better be having sex or I will not be a happy camper. I then had the idea to try the handle. Hey, it opened. I busted her on that. I then tried to go ahead of her. She pushed past me and shut the door and dropped her pants and used the bathroom while I was just standing in the room watching her.

Weird thing. Weird girl. Artsy, uppity and a 7/8. I asked if she does this to guys all the time. She told me not while she was peeing. I told her I was flattered she thought I was so special. She stood up and went to pull her panties back on and I just could not contain my laughter. This was a weird situation for even me.

She joined in the laughter. I then got a text from Frenchie. "Who are you in the bathroom with". DAMN. This was a hard one. I told HB Artsy to explain what happened to Frenchie, so we left the restroom and Frenchie was outside impatiently waiting.

I had HB Artsy explain it, and apologize for her doing it to me. And she confirmed I was a gentleman and wouldnt leave because others could see in.

Strange night all around. I had to up the fun with Frenchie to change her mood from pissed to happy. I ran some attraction, some heavy kino. We moved from my friends to a secluded corner and had a fun make-out session.

She pulled off and got buyers remorse and questioned me on being a player, a womanizer and so on. I decided it was time to discuss this all. We chatted and I told her this is just who I am, a flirty and fun girl. Women love me because of it, but I picked her.

This is why I dont do relationships well. I wont cheat, but I still go out and game. I enjoy the game. Its addicting.

We bounce to her car, she parks at a closed Burger King near by and asks if I brought a condom. I replied with "Does a fat id eat cake?" She giggled, and I slowed things down and got cold. I really did not want to do this in a Ford Fiesta under a parking lot light at Burger King.

She did not either, it spewed from her non-verbals. I called her out on it and she told me she wanted to keep me and got flustered. I asked where she lived, and told her we were going. She agreed and warned me she lives at home. She said her dad was on some trip for his work.

How do you handle mom cock block with a girl you want to see again who is now your ride? Let the girl do it for you. We get to her place, her mom asks who I was and why we were back so early.

Frenchie: This is White Lion, the guy I met the other night.
Mom: The guy with the baby and dog from the bathroom?
Frenchie: Yes.

I was hella confused by this. I asked what they were talking about.

Frenchie: I told my mom about you. About your dog, how you said we had a baby, and we went to the bathroom together.
Me: Did you tell her how good looking I am?
Mom: Yes she did.
Me: Well, pleasure to meet you. I better get going.
Frenchie: WHY!?
Me: I trust my gut, its like an intuition. I already know you two are just trouble together. I bet you tell your mom EVERYTHING. And she loves it. You two share everything. I have a bad feeling where this is going.
Frencihe: It wont be bad.
Mom: We dont share EVERYTHING.

Mom caught on to what I was talking about. 3-Some. I had to test for it. Mom was a very attractive woman who had to be shy of 40.

Frenchie: What do you think we share?
Mom: Boys.
Me: NO! That just WEIRD.
Frenchie: Oh my god, that is!
Me: Jesh mom, mind out the gutter. I just dont like mom knowing everything about our budding relationship so quick.
Mom: Oh! *She gets flustered* You two need privacy, I will go.
Frenchie: No, we are going up to my room.

Off we went. It was WEIRD. I was worried her mom was going to interrupt. But the thrill was fun, like I was 15 again.

I got back to my buddy's in time to watch one of them do all of our shots for the last call. Frenchie was all over me again, kinda clingy. Will see how this one pans out.

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FR: New Years Eve: No bar, no lay.

It is strange to say I dont go out on major holidays anymore. Why? Getting laid, although fun, gets easier over time. I dont knock it if you do, I did. Halloween, X-Mas and New Years lays are by far the easiest. But, I have some friends I do not see except holidays, and after living my lifestyle of working, PUA and studying, I leave no room to spend time traveling to 'hang out' anymore. In fact, PUA's who tell you to leave your old circle of friends is retarded. I have buddies who fight against me when I try to get laid around them. They actively cock-block me. Its cool, they are insecure. I get it.

This HELPS my game. I am so much better today because some guys force me to out-AMOG FRIENDS. Guys who would die for me try to stop me from getting laid because they can't.

The worst part is, I have some friends who are true 'Naturals'. These guys get laid like rockstars. I was envious before. Seeing a bro get a random bar fly make out always made me ask 'why not me'?

Now, its cool. I love to get buddies to try to AMOG me. It shows me they are threatened. It is a good litmus test.

I went to a party on New Years. A friend of a friend type of deal. I knew half the people. But the natural did not know me. This become important later on in my night.

My bro's met up to drive to the party. I was the rubber guy. I always have them. So, I brought a box and found out that the other guys had them. I was told who would be going. Few ladies, a couple guys who were my friends liked the girls, and some guys I did not know. I made the decision to not bring protection. I decided to not get laid. Small social circle of twenty people and I was not going to be the random sex guy.

We get there and first new female face arrives. She is a 4. Below average. Reserved, shy, not appealing to me. The guys do the 'claim the girl' gambit. If you dont know, AFC's will go over which ladies are coming and claim one. Like it works like that. The natural has a long standing crush on one girl who gets around. Who was by far the most attractive girl I was told would be there, but he did not sack up and say he wanted her.

Our conversation:

Me: You sure you dont want carol?
Natural: "No, I want her friend, sally."
Beast: *Eye codes me*
Me: I going to get a beer, I dont care who I get.

Beast: Dude, dont go after her. Let him pick someone and just sit out. He wont pull the trigger but will hate you if you get her tonight.
Me: That's is cool, I was going to sit out tonight anyways.
Beast: You sure, I want to see you game.
Me: No, I will just drink. I would LOVE to just get smashed tonight.

Natural: Macy is coming too?
Amog: Yeah, she is like 5' and athletic.
Natural: I want her.
Me: I am sitting out. I want to just drink.
Natural: Can't get a girl?
Me: No, just dont want to give you guys competition.

The girls make it about 3 hours late. At this point I am tipsy and being an ass. Loads of fun, me being loud, outrageous and being the life to the party. Self amused out the butt. Ha ha. I was loving it. We had one issue, one girl did not come, and a different one did. So all the 'claiming' went out the window.

I still wanted nothing. New girl was not my type, will call her R. R was a HB6. Kinda chunky, HB6 over all. Slightly better than average.

The Natural decided to attempt to AMOG me. Funny, I was NOT gamin at all. Sure, I called the girls whores, children, and brats. Attraction material? Yes, but I was just having fun. I was just talking, and talking, and talking. Plowing. I was to the point where I was out of my head. I now know why guys drink. Four beers, two shots, and with enough game you go on auto pilot. I still did not isolate, neg, banter, kino, and any other of my usual tricks.

Natural: God, you talk way too much *In front of girls*
Me: I do. Or you dont talk enough.
Natural: No, you just dont shut up.
Me: Cool. Anyways, *Nonsensical transition about beer*

He did this a few times. No big deal. Trying to put me down. Funny thing, this Natural is a jacked (Muscular), good looking and funny alpha. He says the BEST stuff. I am known for being witty, but he was on another level to my drunkness. I drank a lot quick, he did not.

Night progresses. He tries to get close to the girl he has a crush on, I am just straight up mocking her, teasing her, etc. Normal stuff. Her friend, R, was just watching me insult her friend and her on occasion. I get other guys to bring me drinks. More beer? YES. More rum? YES. More Vodka? YES. I start getting to D-bag territory. I switch to water. I have other guys get it for me. Which is great, having AMOG's, friends of the girls and Naturals bring me stuff is great.

My portly ass was chilling in the corner, drinking and entertaining the room. I would just plow over guys in conversation. I did some stupid things. Loud, dominant, alpha, and care free.

Girls make a tub of some mixed drink slushy. I was getting sick of beer and 100 proof throat burning fun. I go up, tell Carol and R to get me some.

Carol: NO! Its mine.
Me: I am not asking.
Carol and R: Not enough to share. *Girl Coded each other*
Me: I know this game. Dont girl code around me, we use our words around me.
Carol: I dont know what you are talking about.
Me: Little girl, you do. We are both too drunk to bullshit.
R: *Girl Codes Carol*
Carol: You can fight her for some.

I then try and take the tub and get me some. They resist. I then start a tickle war. I was winning, of course, trying to get the tub from R. The two girls gang up on me, plow me into the corner. I then do a Palm Read on R. Short 30 seconds to ramp up attraction. Carol pulls be around and starts talking about how she gets what she wants and is bitchy, so I cut her off and do a Cold Read about how she is bitchy to people to protect her and inside she is a sweetheart.

The Natural comes up, eating chicken. "Hey, you need help ladies?" The girls blurt out, "NOOO!!!!" We were playing and having fun. But I was a man on a mission. I knew what was happening.

Girl coding, Carol gets around, and I know her. I had intentionally attempted to not escalate on her, or touch. All was verbal. If it were to want her, it would have happened before. But, its not worth it with other guys wanting her. I was trying to get R to comply and give me the tube of booze. I only began touching Carol when she started on me first. Carol knew this, I did not push, I played. She decided to pawn R off on me.

The girls take the booze and bring it into the basement where some other kids are chilling. I catch R and demand I get it. I tell her I am not playing their game, all I want is something to drink. She then proceeds to feed me. I backed off, told her to girl it to me. She giggled and I told her "Im not giving it to you" in a playful mocking tone.

Carol brings R more to drink. Carol tries to hold my wrists and R feeds me more. I call this out, I tell R all I want is the slushy. She runs off into the basement laundry room. A dark, secluded basement room. Sweet, I knew what was going on. Carol and R try to push me into the corner tickling me, so I drop the "Its 10 a touch" routine. I follow, and told her to give me the slushy. Carol then ran and told everyone what was going on.

The stream of spectators began. Then a buddy hands me three condoms. I look at them, and say I dont need them. Why? I wasnt about to do this in a basement corner and two, they were old expired condoms. The hell? Kid hasn't had sex in a decade?

I follow R to get my cup back. We had run out of cups because I used a couple dozen between shots and beer early on. We were reusing and I wanted more to drink. I was seriously not playing. She did not catch the drift. Would I take fooling around in the dark in the process? With enough to drink, yes.

Carol interrupted two more times, giving kind advice. "Dont do anything stupid." "He is not good looking." "Dont do something stupid."

Funny thing is, I was trashed and R had only two cups of slushy. I figured out the girls game. I was playing hard to get, and she wanted to break me down.

Another interruption. I decided it was time to escalate. Push her against the wall. "Take what you want before I change my mind." She kissed me, slips tongue in. We get interrupted. I push her off.

This cycles for a while. I push her off, do some qualification. Why? I wanted to see where she was at. Her answers were short and sexual.

I play with her, begin kissing again. She shoves her tongue in my mouth again, starts feeling me up. I stop, push her back. I had no protection. Next guy who interrupted I told him to grab my wing, and my wing got me a condom.

I decided to play more. Push her away. Drag her back. Push her away. Drag her back. She got frustrated. Another sloppy make out. She ran out of slushy, and I wrestled my cup back. She started grinding on me, noticed something extra in my pants. I push her off and she gives me the "This isnt fun any more look".

She went to walk away again, and rather than pull her back again, I let her go.

We both went up stairs. I continued to have fun. She was cold to everyone. Carol tried to warm us up again. I was not having it.

The party continued. Slowly people began to pass out. An AMOG sits on a couch next to R. She eye codes me, so I plop in a chair next to them, and start chilling with the AMOG. He ignored her, he figured what was up.

She gave me another invitation to go to bed next to her on the couch. Carol soon walks up and plops next to her between her and the AMOG. She wanted to help, but I was going to kick the AMOG out. Oh well.

What I learned:

ALWAYS BRING PROTECTION.
FIGURE OUT LOGISTICS FOR THE VENUE BEFORE YOU GAME/ENTER

Lets face it, I had a girl into me. I played social and group game, messed with her, and her her ready to go. Above average looking, her friend approved us being together and tried to game me, and I messed it up.

In some way I did not want it, but in another way I should have. Lesson learned.

When messed up I spew classic game, because of the volume of times you use it, it becomes natural. I discovered that I use CR's. Palm Reading and C/F perfectly. But, I do Push-Pull in seduction which is wrong. I should be teasing and telling her we should stop, not actually pushing her away.

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FR: Back to Basics

I have been on a stream of good nights out, solid and quick lays and having great success. But I find a problem, once you get great results you tend to forget the specifics. When this becomes Natural to you, you forget some details. Streamline some actions. This is great, as you find the limits of how far you can go. But some guys get into a rut in the community and spin their wheels. They panic, quit the game, or regress. At best you hi the wall in progression before you get a break through.

I hit many walls in the course of my PUA journey. The more stuff I try, the more I try to cut, the more walls I hit. This is great, this is how you get better. But some guys do not get over some walls. Some walls become a sticking point. It shapes your game in a fundamental way. I have seen some PUA's who run one type of game and get laid like a boss. But coincidentally they cant pick up in other environments.

The prime example is night to day game. Or day to night. Different types of approaches, tonality, and material stifles guys. That is why a LOT of guys only stick with what they do best.

What distinguishes great guys and bad guys at game is the breaking into new areas of game. Why a guy learns to pick up strippers, he learns how to emotionally connect quicker. When you learn good street approaches you get better at tonality and basics of body language. I can go on, but the point is the 'club guy' who picks up one way tends to be socially retarded. If you get good at club game in general but also learn the social proof, SNL's, dance floor and bartender game your game is far better than the Natural who swoops in and finds the girl with good eye contact, he sarges and then he pulls home/gets a number.

This is why whenever I try to get good or feel myself excelling I turn my focus on something else. Another area of game to spark my growth and bridge the stagnation of a wall.

This FR is a day of this. I have been pulling in the day, in social circles and neglecting my growth. I do mini newbie missions all the time.

I first went out to sarge in an outdoor mall. Why? My street game sucks. Where I am from it is cold so an outdoor mall in January is a surefire way to get people moving quick to a warm place. My goal was to focus on getting them to stop with vocal projection, and then spewing word vomit until something hooks and then taking note of it/writing it down.

I did this for two hours. I know I was doing well when I was ejecting (Pre-Maturely but I had to finish my mission)and they tried to get me to stay. They would follow me, or get a look on her face of a slight jaw drop which is the thought of "Why on EARTH is he leaving, what is wrong with me?" I thought up some verbal gems. I also made an attempt to not touch them, or use routines at all. Getting attraction with bad body language, rough conditions and no material is a great success.

I then went to a business cluster and made an attempt to tap on the glass, and use body language to get the cute secretaries to get up and meet me outside. Body language and flirty expressions to the ten. Being an out of shape and not great looking guy, this is a huge problem. I messed up a LOT. A few awful looks, some of them asking a co-worker to get me to leave but after a while I got two girls to come outside and chat. Number closes were a great success for this.

Third newbie mini mission was going to high end stores/cafe's and attempting to go in C/F or with a slight neg and get the girl attracted FAST and number close in a couple minutes. The girl had to work their as a greeter or hostess. I had a few blowouts but slowly I calibrated with this exercise and got a few girls to get giggly, attracted and touchy with me.

The best of the third mission was a girl who I walked up to while a co-worker was attempting to game her. He had that needy body language and was cornering her. I pulled him out, and told her her glasses made her look like a mouse. I demanded she took them off to get guys to like her. The guy looked at me with rage, so I patronized him/AMOG'ed him and she lit up. I ejected when he got hostile and she followed me and started to chat me up, and gave me her number.

Over all a great day of essentials and sharpening up the loose ends.

I then went out for the night. A slow night at the bar forced me to a diner. I used the skills I worked on during the day (Tonality, body language and some new material/lines) to get seated groups to all turn, look at me and giggle. Strong EC and flirting. No closes, I entered the seated sets and got the 'young' vibe from them, such as 16 years old.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:42 am 
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Time to add some money posts of mine:

"I think I have some valuable advice on this because I have full closed in a load of different game situations. Day, Night, Direct, Indirect, etc. Every time it was different at first. I would study material in how to game and close in the specific environment I was going into for a few hours to get it 'right'.

Why does this matter, because I close in a LOT of ways. Which I will go over. And I have a clear favorite.

1. Close method one, which I figured out after learning RSD's way: I am too great for you.

I enter party/club, and run a HUGE attraction set. I do it because I love to do it. I am an attraction junkie. I then get playful touching going. A game, a hug, high five, etc. I keep that up.

I throw in some hard and soft takeaway's and freeze outs. After your huge attract sequence is over, you do not go back. DO NOT. It becomes a touching game. I lead her around. Playfully touch. When I want it, I pull the trigger.

The key is to not kiss in the club, lead her to a place you can full close. Once I get to such a location, I then start kissing, or she to me (When you have that much attraction, it happens.) I then lead to sex. It happens. No line, no routine. Every so often I slow down and tell her we should not be doing this. It ramps her up.

A note is I have had girls walk off with takeaways with this approach. She get super frustrated. It works unbelievably better sober so you can calibrate to the girl.

2. Standard Game Close.

This is the mainstream way from MM. You run things safe. At every way point you push with a sarcastic and funny line to get past. Qualification is playful at first, kissing has a game, touching is just a cool thing you want to show her.

In this way, you ALWAYS have a reason to do something. If you game in a 'solid' way you need to make sure you gave a damn good reason to bounce her and extract.

Popular items are pictures, movies, instruments, video games, and dogs.

My Dog Bounce Routine:

"I have the coolest puppy at home."

HB: Really?

"Yeah, you would love her. She snuggles up on my chest when she sleeps to hear my heart beat. Reminds her of her mother."

HB: Aww.

"You should totally meet her. We could go pick her up and pick out those tiny coats people like to dress their dogs in and pose for pictures."


It works. I do variations of that routine, it is not something memorized but something that I use. I also stack it with the 'you remind me of my dog' routine by DD (I think) if she is not super into the idea to pump attraction and interest. You can do it, it works wonders.

It is a good idea to have a dog to do this, but honestly, not needed. Most of the time we get back to my place and she does not ask or look for the dog as long as you are escalating. If she does, "She must be sleeping" is the best response. She goes, "Awww" and is super into you again. I actually am a dog lover so I dont lie about this.

3. Sinn Qualification Close.

This is how I ALWAYS close now. I think this is the most solid, and fun outside of my RSD approach. The Sinn approach is far more solid.

Look up Sinn's under 21 Convention for this. Inspired by AFC Adam and Brad P I believe. Two guys I learned a LOT from.

I do it slightly differently that Sinn explains.

I break it down as:

Approach -> Social Comfort (Cold Read/Transition Routine/FTC) -> Attraction Set (Break Rapport, Routines, DHV, Cocky Funny, Teasing, Kino, Flirting, Neg, Takeaway, etc). -> Community Qualify (Hoop Theory) -> Movement/Isolation Qualification (Heavy Kino and movement) -> Rapport/Comfort (I run a version of Breakthrough Comfort I learned from Future and Sinn as well as some from Gambler's book and some by Style.) -> Second Attraction Set/Break Rapport (BR, C/F, Neg and Tease ONLY. Routines and DHV are not BR's and do not work) -> Second Qualification (Sexual Qualifiers, Sexual statements, sexual conversation, sexual touching) -> Sexual Kino/Leading (This is touching/Kissing in the non-friendly way. Lets her know whats going on. This includes Removing clothes and leading her to do sexual things) -> Standard Seduction (Sex Dummy).

This seems very rigid. But, this is EXACTLY what I was doing when I ran MM/Natural/RSD method in different phases of my growth individually. I because REALLY good at doing the method, broke it down, found themes. I broke down the routines/methodology they taught. I found that Sinn taught what I was doing when I was consistent. So, I push his stuff. I dont want to make money off of this (Would love to teach) so why reinvent the wheel?

The key to this close method is the sheer fact that girls seduce me. I get kissed first. That is something from the RSD method I LOVED when I was an aPUA. I had girls jumping all over me due to how tight my attraction was. I did not even know how to lead or escalate at first, I was just great at early game and girls would grind on me at social gatherings, maul me in clubs, and feel me up in the day.

Now, those girls flake, but with Sinn's method you qualify so much they dont flake. With my comfort sequence (The best part of my game) I connect with the girl, share emotions, run some Breakthrough comfort stuff such as sharing passions and purpose and I also do old school 'boyfriend' kino. Standard lip touching, eye lash removing, lint plucking. She gets SUPER comfy with you when you do the boyfriend actions and understand her better than anyone else has. I toss in some CR's to better connect to her reality so it is not just a spectator type of situation, I dont just understand her reality I make myself apart of it.

I just had a near full close where all I did was be social, control the group, do DHV stuff (No stories, but just vibing with the group), isolate target and friend, run some attract, slow down into qualify and kino, she pulled me into another room and kisses me, and I start seduction.

I like Sinn's method because MM doesnt work in field. Too static. RSD works GREAT in clubs and house parties, but day game was creepy for me. For Tyler, Jeffy, Geoff and the other instructors I KNOW it worked because they had better skills and calibration, not for an AFC.

Sinn's was what I did when I got good.





Long post for how to bounce a girl, right? NOPE. All methods, all top guys, all 'guru's' do something different. Different schools of thought. Heavy Kino, it just happens. Heavy verbals, you need a simple excuse. That is the essential of it. A line WILL NOT work. She feels it or does not. That is why knowing how you ran the set matters. It is not what JUST happened in set (I.e. how you feel) it is about when you walked in the venue, your words to everyone, your body language with every person in the venue, plus every step in the set from approach, to qualify, to disqualify to close. If you dont know where you are in relation to the entire venue you dont know when it is okay to close or extract.

In summary (For those who dont like posts of win):

1. Know where you are at.
2. Lines dont work.
3. Run the set properly.
4. Have a routine or excuse to bounce.
5. When in doubt, pull the trigger.

A side tangent about talking about sex:

I ALWAYS BRING IT UP WHEN I RUN PURE VERBALS. As in lounge/bar where I cant isolate or dance with her. I sexually qualify.

My FAVORITE opener is Geoff's Apocolypse, but I do it differently. When I want to get laid, real bad, I ask her to come to the bathroom with me. One out of 20 say yes. Great odds I would say for a bathroom pull.

When a girl 'catches me' I spin it around.

"Darn straight, I dont put out on the first date."
"Mind out of the gutter little missy."
"Sex? Is that what my parents do when they send me to bed early?"
"I dont want to have sex with you. I want to go back to your place and steal your TV. "


Or my non-funny serious game one is (I use this on girls I 'actually care about'. Those are girls I vibe with, enjoy personality, want a relationship and also fund stunning):

"You think all I want is sex? You know what, I could have gone up to any girl in here tonight and had sex. No one in this room has had as much fun as we did together and that is why I am talking to you. If you take me as one of those creepy club guys, I am out."

I back turn her as if I am going to walk away, and I often get a "NOOO" or a arm grab to stay. A time or two I had her spin me around and make out with me.






Final thought:

SHE IS SHIT TESTING YOU. Yes, this token resistance is a shit test. "I am not having sex" is a test. My other solutions are C/F or deep to ramp up attraction and bridge a gap in progression. But any test destroyer (Ignore, Blow up the idea to be outrageous, or rattle off something completely off topic) works just as well to get you the lay."

Above post was in reference to issues closing. I shared a personal routine and a few lines so I thought I would add.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:11 am 
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2 DAY FR: DAY GAME PICK UP.

I was in the dumps yesterday. Working was rough due to a layoff. working out was rough. A layoff from competing and getting into the gym yesterday had me down. I was a few steps behind everyone, I had lost my edge. A few serious injuries would do that to you.

I went to work and decided I had to get out the gutter. I decided to try to to work on voice tone and body language to attract ladies. My voice tone had been lacking. After a while I got into the zone as I started to get LOUD and demanded attention. Occasionally I was spinning my wheels and could not connect my words and slurred my speech a bit when my voice got crass. Sucks huh? This is what I call negative state. I was trying SOOOO hard to get into state, or feel good, and was doing everything correctly, but could not.

Five hours of this, spinning my wheels, I got into a grove. I went to lunch and started to banter with some coworkers, some solid attraction way laid. I then decided to walk a mile to Burger King. Why? Hot girls work at BK near my job and I also was being drawn to the vending machine.

I got to BK, opened a lady in line with a kid. MILF no doubt. Got her giggling, she was digging it. I got to the front of the line and I got lucky enough to get an HB8. Cute, 18, tan, brunette, 5'5". Kinda stupid based on her pattern of speech. That was OK, I wanted to jump into the lions den. She gets hit on a LOT, you can feel the vibe off of the lady.

She took my order, a salad. I threw out a line of, "Toss my salad if possible." She did not get it. Shit.

She goes to get my drink. Hands me the cup, and I dropped some solid game.

Lion: Rough day, huh?
Her: Uh, kinda.
Lion: Yeah, I can tell. Your hair is...*Waive my hands around like her hair was a MESS*
Her: *Jaw drops*
Lion: Its okay though. I bet some guys like it like that. *Pat her on her hand to take my cup*
This is a KEY step in getting good, plowing over a conversational lull if you dont know or know if the line hit, keep it going.
Her: Oh.
Lion: I tried the whole 'scene' thing once. The sloppy hair and black clothing did not work right. Not me. If it works for you, keep it up.
Her: I look scene!
Lion: *She hooked!* Kinda. Let me guess, you have a tattoo of a unicorn on your back that is totally anti-society?
Her: *Giggle* Umm, was that for here or to go?
Lion: What?
Her: Your food?
Lion: Oh, not you?
Her: *Giggle*
Lion: I guess to go. I dont trust this place. You gave me a bad impression.
Her: *Blushes and tries to bag my salad, she cant do it*
Lion: Struggling? Dont be so nervous. Do you get this way around all hot guys?
Her: No..
Lion: Just me, you must think I am double hot. I know, I get it all the time.
Her: I bet you do.
Lion: So, when do you get off?
Her: 9.
Lion: It takes that long to get off?
Her: Depends.
Lion: You dont have a schedule? Or you cant read number? DID YOU GIVE ME THE RIGHT CHANGE!?
Her: YES! I promise!
Lion: Time for a break?
Her: Maybe, why?
Lion: Lets go.

And she went with me to eat my lunch with me. We bantered, I did some kino. She laughed a lot. I then did some kino games on top of that. I grabbed her hand, and led her outside behind the burger kind. Pushed her to the wall and kissed her. Solid K close.

She started to bust out laughing.

Her: You do this all the time, dont you!
Lion: Never. I never leave my mom's basement and you are the first girl I have EVER talked to.
Her: Liar!
Lion: Hey! Dont yell at me! I am sensitive.
Her: Sorry...
Lion: It is okay, you can repay me.
Her: How?
Lion: You can take me on a date. No dinner and a movie bullshit. And I will NOT go to your house and "unclog your toilet" for you.
Her: I would never do that.
Lion: Riiiggghhhttt...that is what they all say. I know this game. You are trying to seduce me.
Her: I promise I am not. *Giggling*
Her: How am I going to take you to dinner? I need to call you...
Lion: Give me your number and I might call you.
Her: You better!
Lion: I dont know. You seem fishy.
Her: I am NOT. You better!
Lion: Maybe.

She gives me the number. I thought it would be flakey and tossed it in the trash as I was leaving. She saw me. Oops!

Today I went to work and at about noon guess who stormed into the lobby? HB8.

Her: You never called me!
Me: Right.
Her: AND YOU TOSSED OUT MY NUMBER!
Me: You seemed kinda clingy, was I wrong?
Her: *Silence*
Me: I will give you another chance.
Her: Okay...
Me: Number?
Her: *Writes it down*
Me: Cool. So, when are you taking me out?
Her: You should be taking me out.
Me: NO. You need to learn how to treat a lady.
Her: *Giggles*
Me: Friday and Saturday I am booked, Sunday?
Her: Why not Friday and Saturday?
Me: Those are my prime nights out.
Her: So what?
Me: That means I have plans. So, Sunday at 8?
Her: Okay, I will go with you.
Me: You are taking ME. Dont confuse this. And how did you know where I work? Stalking me?
Her: Nooo! I remembered your uniform.
Me: Sure you did. CREEPY!
Her: *Giggle*
Me: I hafta get back to work. I might call you Sunday if I wake up.
Her: By 8 pm.
Me: Yes, I am a busy guy. Bye.

She leaves. Confused.

I got the business from all the ladies I work with. But hey, I gamed well. I went out tonight, and I lorded the club. I had a lot of IOI's, girls opened me. Great night all around.

I had few/little good targets to open, but I still did for practice sake. Must practice when at high points to know how far you can push things.

Over all a great night.

Final thought:

I want to write a PUA book. An ebook for somewhere like $1. I may give it away for free. I have a lot of routines and structure I am bursting to share. I may break it up into some super posts on here.

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FR: Frenchie called me.

Today I got a call from Frenchie. That was cool. I had plans to go sarge. I decided to bring her. I was going to sarge with a buddy who wanted to learn. We had been out before and I had him approaching a bit but he was an aloof, alpha guy who women flock to. I just needed to smooth out social skills and get him opening. These are BAD conditions to bring a girl out with you. I KNEW I had to demo a LOT and wing, and I also had planned to get some closes.

Frenchie, my bud Kyle and I met up at the local mall. I say hello to Kyle and Frenchie was shy and nervous. "Who is this guy? What is he doing here? What are we going to do?" Yada yada yada. I pushed through by being cool and funny.

I bring Kyle into my first set. Mom and daughter. Frenchie was just chilling and trying to stay busy window shopping, but she was watching us. I opened mom, asked her for the time. I then 'noticed' her daughter, ran a shocker opener I developed for Kyle. (I can release if desired.) He learned the delivery of it in application. It was great. Mom and daughter were into me quick by calling them sisters, teasing them both, FAPs and so on. All off the cuff and I showed my bud to do it naturally. He was a natural and cant memorize for SHIT.

I number closed mom and daughter. Frenchie was very upset. She decided to retaliate by trying to game Kyle, so I AMOG'ed her. Yes, I AMOG'ed her for trying to take my friend/student from me. I told her I was just showing him how to meet women and I was still their to see her, but I had to finish this first.

We went into one of those trendy $50 t-shirt stores. He shops at that store. Me? Nope. Dress shirts or free shirts I got from competing. I have two nice pairs of jeans and shitty sneakers and a pair of dress shoes. He looks the part. Frenchie got opened by two guys while I pushed Kyle into a set of the store clerks. One gay guy, two gals. I winged him, isolated the guy and girl, he was free to work.

I got my target laughing, playing with her hair. Gay guy got upset that she was not paying attention to him. He tried to cut me off but I pushed and he walked away. I noticed Frenchie playing with her hair and chatting up the two guys. Big Naturals. These kids were tall, handsome, athletic, and well dressed. Frenchie was all up into them out of spite. Pretty obvious because of the obnoxious laughter she was giving.

Shitty because the seductive and fun girl I like got bitter QUICK. I pulled my target into Frenchie's set and asked if she was ready for the 3some. I then asked the guys if they were down for another 3way, I pointed at the gay guy and said he REALLY likes them. They got antsy and left.

Frenchie looked at me funny, and then started to giggle like crazy. She got the joke. Well, it was not a joke. I was to the point where I wanted to just sleep with both of them and leave both of them.

I try to arrange a 3some with leading and alpha behavior. Strong takeaways and some quick qualification to get them invested.

I had the target to agree to taking her break with Frenchie and I. Both thought it was a joke. I then pull them from the store, to the food court, past the food court, near the public restroom. I keep qualifying them. Some BT spikes tossed in.

Frenchie realized I was serious, and the target (Never got her name) was oblivious to this all. She was just wide eyed and attracted.

Frenchie ultimately walked away so I pulled target into the family restroom. Ten seconds later Frenchie started to pound on the door, I open and she pulls me out and gives me SHIT. I laugh it off and tell her I was messing with her, and just wanted to have fun.

The target was confused and walked away. Frenchie and I were chatting it up, she was testing the mess out of me. I then get a phone call by my bud Kyle. He was spinning out and the lady wanted to know where her coworker and I went. Crap.

I then pull Frenchie by the hand, drag her up stairs to the store, stop the other girl, I game her some more, number close. Merge back with my buddy, assure the friend we were just going for a walk, and forced him to number close.

CRAZY.

Frenchie then tugs me away and tells me we need to go, just us. We go out of the store and she starts triangle gazing me and she got antsy. I started kissing her until she felt it was socially strange.

Weird report. Weird day game in field.

Did a debriefing with my bro. It came down to he tried to connect with her. I asked about what. He said her job. I asked if she liked her job, he said he did not know. So we broke down how to qualify and WHY his comfort failed.

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