How to Date an Emotionally Manipulative Woman (crazy chick)



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:28 am 
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I got my inspiration for this topic from my own experiences, and Mack's topic about recognizing one. So what do you do when you realize the woman you're involved with fits this role? Well, you've basically got two options: run for the hills or continue the game. The first option, I'm gonna tell ya is probably your smartest bet, because these women prey on suckers and can really fuck your shit up. But if you insist on maximizing your interactions with a woman like this, read on.

Feel free to correct me, and share your similar experiences.

First, let's discuss what benefits you gain from continuing the game on a woman like this. As you may have already experienced, the sex with a crazy chick is often phenominal. It's how they keep suckers around. They feed on the attention and validation through men via seduction and manipulation. Another benefit is that if you can maintain the power over a crazy chick, you can really develop your game. Think, if you can maintain control with a crazy girl, then normal girls will seem much easier to handle in the future. A lot of good lessons can be had here.

Things to keep in mind, once you recognize the signs:

1. These women often suffer childhood trauma, often neglect and sexual abuse. They are DAMAGED and you CANNOT FIX THEM.
2. Emotionally, they are like children. When unsure what to do, pretend she is an eight year old girl. With the expectations and punishment/reward system that children follow.
3. They are NOT capable of real, mature love. Despite what affections and attention she may shower upon you, it is NOT real. Do NOT, and I mean ABSOLUTELY DO NOT DATE THEM. If for some reason they insist on being your girlfriend, make the relationship be an open one as a condition. Tell her some nonsense reasons, such as that she will be allowed to pursue other guys, or that you were cheated on in the past.
4. These women are drawn to men with their own baggage. However, they often use them up and tire of them. Only one type of man can hold their attention indefinitely...
5. The Narcissist. Read up on it, and adopt the traits of a Narcissistic Man. Continually hold yourself in higher regard than her, no matter what. Do not let her think she has ever fully met your needs, or is able to please you. This will keep her trying.
6. Never, and I mean NEVER give her what she wants. You may throw small bones here and there, but any compliments you give should be double-edged. Don't tell her how much you care about her or love her. Say things instead like "nobody can love you like I do" or "you could mean the world to me, but you keep letting me down".
7. Always be seeing and fucking other women. This will keep her pining for your attention. If there's no other girls in the picture, she'll know she has you and that she has won. Your value will plummet. Make no effort to hide that you are fucking other women, but you don't have to brag about it either.
8. Never commit. See #3. Dangle it in front of her, making your love and attention conditional, but as soon as she meets those conditions then give new ones and push her away.
9. Never react. Even moreso than normal women. If these EMW's ever think you're reacting to them, they'll see you as weak.
10. Pretend that you are their God. You are their mother, their father, and the center of their universe. These women grew up being completely unable to please their parents and loved ones, and are addicted to the abuse. This woman exists to worship the ground you walk upon, and as soon as she lets you down you must punish her.
11. Set boundaries and limits. Don't give ultimatums, but always stand your ground and put your needs above hers.
12. Never expect her to be honest with you. They've made a lifetime of getting what they want by lying. Always assume she is fucking other guys, and lying to you about anything that may portray her negatively to you.
13. Act ambivalently. One minute, give her total attention and fawn over her. The next, pretend she doesn't exist, especially when she displeases you. You'll keep her fighting for your attention.
14. When you fuck, fuck the daylights out of her. She gets her comfort and validation through sex, and if you're giving it to her the best then she'll never leave.
15. She loves THE CHASE. Never, ever, ever, let her think for even a moment she has your undying love and attention. She doesn't know how to handle mature, real relationships, and will push you away as soon as you pursue one. Never let her catch you.
16. If you really piss her off, give her an "honest apology". She will think you have changed, and things will be like she wants them to, but come back and work back into your seat of power. She may think she wants things to change, but subconsciously she does not. She wants to be abused, neglected, and manipulated.
17. Isolate her. Don't spend time getting to know her friends and family, you are trying to become more important than them to her.
18. When she flips out on you, ignore her and shut her out. Don't defend yourself - you're God, remember? God is infallible. Her problems are HER problems, and any outbursts from her will be reciprocated by you leaving. She fears abandonment above all else, and if she thinks you're going to leave then she'll make it up to you.
19. Make your affection conditional. If she asks you for something, you can do it but only if you get something out of it.
20. Don't outright LIE to them, but always be vague about the truth. Never give straight answers. If she does catch you lying, twist the scenario to place blame on her. Remember, if she's the one at fault, she has something to fix.

Above all else, remember that you are dealing with a woman who is EMOTIONALLY A CHILD. You MUST treat her as one. Now, do I recommend that you follow these steps with someone you are seeing and care about? Absolutely not. In fact, there's probably a lot of anger in my words. I also think there's some really morally gray stuff in here, and that these EMW's really need serious therapy and help. However, they will refuse to get it, chewing up and spitting out anyone in their path. If you insist on maintaining a relationship with an EMW, definitely keep all these things in mind. The EMW I was involved with on-and-off for about 9 months taught me all of these lessons. She has been controlled by her Narcissistic ex-boyfriend for over three years. He cheated on her, lied to her, dumped her repeatedly, never went out of his way for her, kept fucking and pursuing other women, and still maintains control to this day. The last time he really cut her out, he went no contact for three months while he dated another girl. During this time is when I met her, and she instantly put me on a pedastal and attached herself to me. I didn't see the signs back then, and nobody could validate all the claims I'd heard of her "being crazy". I allowed myself to fall for her, and once I did she left me out of nowhere. I went no contact for several months, and she instantly attached herself to me again... but little did I know she only wanted to know she could still have me. After a couple months of being FWB, I let her know that she could, and I was summarily discarded again. The whole experience taught me a lot, but it was mentally exhausting and I hope that what I've learned through this I could share with the community.

Now don't confuse my advice with treating her like shit. Karma is a bitch. You can be nice to her at times, and do things for her, but only do them as a reward. Don't ever physically or sexually abuse her, but you can emotionally manipulate her in a subtle way. Just remember, you're dealing with a child.

Even if you do decide to keep this woman around, you do so at a high risk. She will most likely drain you, wreak havoc on your self esteem and confidence, and you may start to believe you can't do any better than her. That she's a victim you need to "save". Guess what - she doesn't want to be saved! Do yourself a favor, and as soon as you think she may start to have a negative impact on your life then let her go. Don't let her become YOUR problem. If you're drawn to women like these, you've probably got your own issues to sort out and may need therapy yourself.

All in all, please feel free to share you stories with dating an EMW, and help refine my guidelines. I think that they're probably over the top and cruel, but I assure you that there is a lot of truth in them. If you can do this correctly, you're get yourself a great fuck buddy and potentially great partner for sexual adventures and group sex. But never forget - as soon as you fall for them, you're done.

One example I can think of, is the character Elle Bishop from the TV show Heroes. Her father continually lets her know how much of a disappointment she is, and she is constantly trying to gain his affection. Despite being an adult woman in her 20's, Elle is portrayed as mentally unstable and reminds me quite a bit of my ex. She is petty, uses other characters to her own benefit (using her sex appeal as well), and only cares about herself and pleasing her father. Always refers to her father as "Daddy".


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:12 pm 
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This stuff is absolutely golden and that spot-on, it actually scared me how much you know about EMWs!

Around 10 months ago I was in a 1 year relationship with one of these "species". She was the sweetest girl in the beginning and screamed for a "hero" to save her, if you know what I mean..
When she was a kid, her dad used to project all his anger onto her and her brother whenever he was fighting with his wife. He used to hit her very often..

Man I'm shocked how spot on this is, good on you for writing it! Mods, make that sticky!!
One thing to add: They LOVE it if you spank their ass during sex AS HARD AS YOU CAN ;)


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:52 pm 
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Thanks man! Yeah I guess it is pretty scary. I went through every phase with mine. I was going to add stuff about the signs but I figured Mack nailed that pretty much. If it's that good I would definitely love a sticky - If I only knew all this when it mattered... I could have saved myself a LOT of trouble, and had a LOT more great sex.

And yeah, mine was really into BDSM / rough sex. I think it's a staple for EMWs.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm 
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Yeah it makes total sense why they like it so much. They want this feeling they had when they where young, when a loved one abused them...

I do feel sorry for my ex, her dad fucked her up for good. She still doesn't know "why" she is "like that" and her dad actually apologized to her years later basically admitting he is the reason for her not being able to live a quality life. Wherever she goes she leaves ashes behind, quite often her own ones too.
All she's looking for is happiness, and if she finds it, she'll sabotage it.

As you mentioned before, chances are you can't help them which is the saddest part.
Are you still in contact with your one? Your story details are very similar to mine..


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:36 pm 
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Instead of learning how to prolong misery with EMW, how about learn how to attract females who are a positive influence on your life?
You'll notice at several points in my OP, I advise to stay away from this type of woman. Recognize the signs, then get the hell out. However, some guys persist, and this topic is for them. Involvement with an EMW can be a huge step backwards in the PUA journey, and some of us are naturally drawn to them in the first place. If for no other reason than the sex alone - use the EMW's high sex drive to master your own prowess in the sack. I can only imagine dating a quality female who fucks like a crazy chick.


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Fuck crazy chicks PERIOD, son. Is that so-called "crazy chick sex" everybody froths at the mouth about worth her setting your pillow on fire, carving her name into your car with a rock and killing your dog when you attempt to break up with her worth it in thae end?

FUCK THAT NOISE. Plenty of birds that fly straight inthe sky so Why clip yourself to a broken wing?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:28 am 
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I'm with the Hobbit on avoiding Crazy and high stress chicks in general but I like your guidelines none the less, can be applied to most any chick.

Mostly I just want to congratulate The Hobbit oh his new movie, ive heard good things.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:00 am 
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Fuck crazy chicks PERIOD, son. Is that so-called "crazy chick sex" everybody froths at the mouth about worth her setting your pillow on fire, carving her name into your car with a rock and killing your dog when you attempt to break up with her worth it in thae end?

FUCK THAT NOISE. Plenty of birds that fly straight inthe sky so Why clip yourself to a broken wing?
Oh no, that's the best part. See, sometimes you've got these really outwardly crazy chicks like the ones you're describing. But that's where the subtlety of the EMW comes into play - often, you won't even see the crazy, and nobody can really describe it. They'll actually present as a pretty awesome girl, smart, talented, witty, interesting, and damn sexy. Then, little by little, warning signs come out... but us chumps are already hooked.

If you're an MPUA, you can probably spot these birds far away and know to run. You've got a lot of options, and don't need "crazy" to be a condition of "hot".

If you're like most board members here (AFC/rAFC) then your lack of experience will not clue you off to the EMW. They'll get your interest and hook you with sex. There's a reason they say don't stick your dick in crazy. I'm not interested in detailing my sexual encounters with my EMW, but let's just say... it was her weapon, and she wielded it VERY well.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:47 am 
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Instead of learning how to prolong misery with EMW, how about learn how to attract females who are a positive influence on your life?
Different people have different preferences. There are guys who want to be in a relationship with crazy chicks just for the sex.
This thread is for such people.
It's only your misery if you let it become one.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:16 am 
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I don't want to derail OP's topic with philosophy, but just for the sake of brevity (and humor). . . unless you are Buddha, it will become your misery. Failure to recognize that is just deluding oneself.
This is true for most guys and if you are someone who cares about the people you surround yourself with, you are absolutely correct.
But there are guys who seriously don't care and are probably as manipulative themselves, for those people this advice is perfect. People who are in non-exclusive relationships might really not have a problem with this...


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Hey smash,
This thread is pure GOLD

Man Wish I had this info before I fell for a EMW, some of the stuff you say about treating them like a kid.. bro that is spot on (as I'm sure are the otherstuff).

At times I had to treat my ex like a kid to get her to do what was logical. But yeah man will use this as a guide to stay the hell away from these species.

Cheers pal


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Essentially "How to get the most out of someone I know isn't worth my time". If you HAD to associate with this kind of person, this list is helpful. But since you don't, any misfire in this experiment is your own fault. Why not invest your time in people who add value to your life that you don't have to constantly be hoodwinking?

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I say just keep a solid frame and for the most part reject whatever frame the woman throws at you. Some of them will accept and embrace you. Others will stay with you but you give you shit about it. And some will outright reject you. Either way, you get to be with the person on your own terms, or you don't get to be with someone who is all wrong for you. It's a win win in my book.

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Really good read.

Used to date a chick who was EMW and after a couple of months the penny dropped, made me feel like such a fool for how I was loving and caring for the 2 months and actually she was just playing her game.

So, I did some of the things smash suggests and they confused the fuck out of her. She couldn't work me out and was not sure which mood I was in anymore, I still got what I wanted from it all.

After a while it is tiresome and you have to cut lose and move on to have a healthy relationship.


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Good read. Is it really not possible to maintain healthy relationship? I mean, I just bumped into this thread, but my girl is emotionally manipulative. The thing is - I'm narcissistic and child by nature. I can be serious and professional when I need to, but 90% of life I'm being the guy who's doing all the stupid/funny stuff (something like mini Remi Gallard to picture it out).

I'm in relationship (bah!) with her for about half an year. It's her longest relationship and she had like dozens of them. This thread perfectly explains why she's still with me. Can I keep her if dating those kind of women is natural for me? I mean, it's not exhausting nor hard, I just do it.


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