I could use some recommendations on how to close out first date meetups for drinks or coffee with chicks I meet online. Typically the girls I go out with are conservative types (ie not easy lays). I don't want to go for a kiss-close because what has worked for me in my limited experience is to not kiss the girl for the first time until we're alone and I can escalate all the way to sex.

Detox here helped me correct the flaws in my game and I've seen a night and day improvement after meeting just a few chicks and keeping a short journal of what worked and what I need to fix. He advised me not to go for the hug close because it's needy, just leave things ambiguous and say that we'll chat soon. My last two dates though, my game has been a lot tighter and it's actually the chicks going for the hug (and not the awkward "sorry you failed at this date" hug...I've had plenty of those before and know the difference).

Could use some advice on what will put me in the best position for the D2. Let them have a quick hug that I don't really return that much? Long romantic hug? Go against my strategy and kiss close? And should I tell them that we should hang out again soon or make them wait? Basically just give me best strat as far as what to say and what to do after I've walked her to her car and we're saying goodbye.

I'd def recommend a brief k close (not too long or overly sexual) on the date itself, so you know for a fact it's on and builds huge levels of comfort imo.

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Meeting someone from the internet is a little different than if you had met them previously in real life. Day 1 with a girl I've met online is typically very casual, like lunch at Panera or something just so we can be sure neither of us are axe murderers. It's hard to do any kino in this setting, so going for a kiss at the end is kind of difficult. Day 2 is when I like to do something a lot more fun where you can quickly ramp up the kino and ultimately kiss her.

With online dating, there is less pressure to kiss quite as quickly, but you still need to get it out of the way fairly early on. I'd say you should have kissed her by the end of the third date, at the latest.