I find it funny that you think you need to be in great shape to get women, mind you the video you base your opinion off of was 35 lbs ago..... Am I tone cut man now? NOPE but I do look thinner and better. You seem to think that looks get people laid, while I am a good looking guy, my attractiveness is related to my personality.

Go rate women all you want, while you are busy rating her I'll be busy talking to/fucking her. Guys like you give me girls, the reason being is I walk up and talk to this women that is annoyed by this pretty boy who thinks he is the shit... Then I walk up flirt, smile, joke, in general have some fun with her, show some IQ, and she finds me far more attractive because in reality I am.

You see you are basing shit on aesthetics and while I won't fuck an ugly woman(physically or mentally(personality)), the reality holds true whether you'd only fuck an "X" or better the answer is still the same, either you want to/would fuck her or you wouldn't.

You seem to think this means oh yeah go fuck fat girls, that isn't what this is about. This is about black and whiting it, which is very helpful and one of the most experienced naturals I know taught me this. It isn't as if I made this up. I've also met several other naturals who follow the same thought process.

Your thoughts of me and my looks seem to influence the information.... Does this mean you think Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking didn't know what they are talking about? Looks have nothing to do with information sir, don't get caught up on the messenger if you aren't willing to listen to the message. Remember you always have the right to ignore my posts, in fact I'd prefer it, rarely do you seem to post a nugget a wisdom.

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Never did I once say you need to be in great shape to fuck women. My post was short and yet you still lack comprehension. However, being in great shape HELPS A LOT, trust.

Judging by your post, you sound like you haven't gotten any in awhile.

Sorry.

Looks certainly help, ugly guys have a lot more work to get attractive, but the point remains I've seen my "better looking friends" get wrecked by my game, not because I was hitting on the girl but because regardless of them being "better looking" I was actually far more attractive to them... Good looks get you attention but they don't get you laid consistently, they get you lucky. Game gets you laid.

LOL Yeah I never get laid! I'm a virgin. It's been 228 months since the last time I had sex... I haven't got a number for 28 months.....Come on dog, you seem to be out to get me, what is up with that??? ALWAYS coming at me, you always make personal comments on me. WHY? What is your beef? I'm not hurt I'm just trying figuring what the fuck is up with you. Always talking shit on me... You don't seem to have the ability to just argue, always with the remarks on me... It shows a lot about you. What is the point in these comments outside of trying to get a rise out of me???? It truly shows no actual skills in arguing and a lack of intellect. Honestly I'm done responding to you until you come up with something worth talking about, you provide really no foundation for your thought process.

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Wait a minute. Are you the guy that I found a video about?

If so

Then lmao! I'm good at cold reading posts. You're fat, so you make fun of people in shape. You're ugly and you called yourself average looking. You can't dress. You get so defensive it's ridiculous how much you worry about your e-reputation. Get a real reputation and real pussy and you wouldn't worry.

I really hope mods don't close this so losers like these can get exposed and gtfo.

OH MY GOD I'M FAT? WOW WHAT NEWS! I can't believe I just learned that. Now some guy on the internet isn't attracted to me, he thinks I'm ugly after he checked me out, MY LIFE MUST END. MY FASHION IS HORRID, so many of the women I've dated and been with were wrong about me having my own style and being attractive. SOME DUDE ISN'T OK WITH IT, I must commit suicide....

So many women who have been attracted to me must be wrong and have not realized I'm ugly.... Forget the fact that 90% of women find me attractive this dude on the internet says so so my e-rep is ruined. I can't believe my entire social life is ruined on the internet. Some guy on the net also said I have no real reputation, he must be absolutely right, fuck the facts this guy knows me and my world so well. HE COLD READ ME.... After researching me.

LOL really dude? That is what you have to say on the topic of binary attraction? Come on now... At least show a smidgeon of class and intellect. Why on earth should we rate women? Seriously.... How is it effective when the question really is as simple as do you want to fuck her? I tell you where I'm coming from, how I got info and all you do is the bull shit attacks.

What is the difference between "I'd only fuck an x or better" or saying "I want to fuck her or I don't want to fuck her?" There is none, you don't need to give an aesthetic rating, that is what it comes down to.

Ratings create higher and lower statuses, you don't need them as soon as you start thinking she is a 9 she is too hot for me(especially with these low confidence guys who are around her), especially if you only think you are a 7 or whatever else. There really only needs to be two statuses why complicate it with all the other bull shit? How on earth does it help?

You know how I describe a girl when attracted, her physical description and she is sexy... I don't need anything else.

I hope you can now see where I'm coming from..... If not I apologize, please stay on topic, if you want to continue talking shit so be it(message me all the bull shit you want or start another thread talking about me) but don't ruin the thread with your personal opinion of me.

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@poetic

I lol'd when you said 90% of women found you attractive. You are so insecure it's ridiculous. Quit trying to brag about things that aren't true on the internet. You're a nobody. Post pictures of you with girls (excluding your mom and your sister) and maybe someone will take you seriously. (They can be ugly too. I have reason to believe you cannot even manage that) Until then you are an out of shape, insecure, keyboard jockey seeking for approval on the internet.

You need to be at least moderately in shape and attractive in order to get the types of girls you want, unless you have lots of money or an extremely attractive lifestyle. That's all there is to it.

Most guys have very average lifestyles and bank accounts, so if they aren't physically attractive then they won't be with many hot women. Look up top at the "featured" puas on this forum. All four of them are good looking guy with above average looks. Even short awkward looking puas like Style and Tyler Durden have some desireable physical qualities. Once you add in fame, money, swagger, etc., then it becomes very easy for guys like these to become epic pick up artists.

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Agreed, it's never a good thing to let yourself go to the point where you are disturbing looking and smelly, I'm very big on self-improvement....I have worked on myself a lot and to be honest I do think one should work out and eat right. I do think you should take care of yourself but again looks are only part of the battle.

I wouldn't say these puas are above average looking, I'd say that that Gambler is the only one.... The other 3 are average looking guys. Lyons looks like every other Utah kid out here, I can promise you that. Sinn is not an exceptionally good looking guy he is a heavy set guy, I know tons of guys that look like him. Carlos also looks like just another guy. You want to know what these guys radiate? Confidence and style/individuality which makes you appear more attractive. When you go out you should exude both a good natural style that fits you and roll around with self-confidence.

I know rich guys and upper middle class guys who have a very hard time getting laid. I know guys with great lifestyles that don't get laid very often. They are an attractive quality and they certainly get you attention and make you appear far more attractive but being attractive doesn't always get you laid.

There is something a lot of guys don't realize on here. Becoming attractive to her is only part of the battle, I have some very attractive male friends who don't get laid even though they are "hot" guys. The initial attention is all looks do, after that you still need the tools and tactics to get laid. If you know how to be an attractive person and you are an average looking guy you can do a lot better than a good looking guy if you have game. I'm saying this based on my experience and observations, overall yes being good looking is nice but always realize with some skill you can learn to just be that attractive guy and without game you'll have a tough time getting laid.

I have met some guys where I was like sheez how did this guy land this girl, the girl super fly and sexy, but the guy was heavy set and honestly when you look at them she was far more attractive to him physically. When I talked to him I realized he is just a cool cat with good character. I realized because of guys like this and many others that how attractive a man is is not always related to how good looking he is. That doesn't mean you should be a slob, of course you should take care of yourself (dressing right alone can make you appear more attractive) but getting her attention is part of the battle not the whole battle.

I am a fat guy and while some members of this forum may think I'm ugly most women think I'm a "cutie" or good looking guy, I get plenty of action and even more attention as being attractive. Of course I have presence and I tend to exude a lot of confidence, both are very attractive features and tend get me attention. That said I've always had presence and been a decent looking guy, even have been the popular guy throwing 300 person parties every other week, that didn't get me laid regularly gaining actual game got me laid.

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There are different 'levels' that you can find a woman to be attractive. You can be extremely attracted to her, you can be slightly attracted to her and you can be not attracted to her at all.

However, these are your personal standards which you choose to follow.

And then we got the number system. 'She was a 10, she was a 7, she was a 2' - which would imply exactly how hot she was when we explain it to another person.

What people fail to realize is that, once again, how attracted you are to a woman are YOUR standards and YOUR standards alone. Having numbers for every woman is absolutely useless. Nobody gives a rat's ass about if you picked up a '8' or '10' because it means NOTHING to the other person you are talking to. Different standards cause for different opinions.

The point of this thread was merely to prove (even if arguable) that the only thing that matters is that YOU were madly attracted to a woman and YOU seduced her. Her level of hotness in the eyes of others is completely irrelevant and it's all just about whether or not you wanted to F her in the first place.

The hotness-scale has been corrupt since the beginning and will always remain that way.

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1) SMH towards the end of your post.

2) You shouldn't get in shape for PUA. You won't last long in the gym. You should get in shape for YOU. There's no other better feeling than waking up in the morning, looking in the mirror, and feeling like a God.

3) There's no such thing as tactics to get her in bed with you. It's a numbers game.

Regardless of how you look at me it doesn't change actual reality brah, when you realize this you may gain a glimpse into me and my reality, rather than your personal beliefs about my reality.

I did decide to start getting in shape for myself. Thank you I appreciate the good advice, it wasn't for women. While I'm still not the skinniest guy I have lost a bit of weight and have definitely improved in that category.

By tactics I mean, balls to do it, understanding how to build tension and advance the interaction, it's not just about being attractive and having a conversation you also must escalate and gauge a woman's interest level knowing about when you should escalate heavily and when you should build sexual tension.

I agree it is a numbers game to some extent, but those who have gained the correct skills in showing attractive behavior, building a connection, and building sexual tension/ escalating have a much higher close rate than those who have none...I.E. Someone who throws free throws once in a while will have a lower percentage than someone who throws 1000 free throws a day as long as he learned the correct fundamentals.

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I was at thanksgiving and some guy I know who hadn't seen in like 6 months said "Dude, did you like trip and fall into a gym membership or what?" Since I've been working out for several months now. That was a funny way to DHV someone.

But yes, going to the gym is good. He said that in front of the girl I'm seeing.

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Nice! Feels pretty good getting compliments.... That is great that you are getting fit, I have got a lot of compliments by my friends and acquaintances on my weight loss, but I enjoy just how good I feel from working the compliments are just a nice ego stroke. LOL

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