I don't care for the rating and rankings we assign women, honestly I feel they are stupid and ignorant how can you possibly rate or ranks someone based on what they were given? I've seen what do I do with bla bla bla, but in reality her rating or ranking just doesn't matter. Everywhere I look guys have this obsession with ranking women:

-“Oh man look at her body she is a 10.”
-“How do you not get intimidated with a girl like that? She is like a 10.”
-“Look at that girl she has an amazing ass and great tits. She is a 10!”
-“Every time I see an 8 or higher I lock up and don’t know what to say.”
-“That girl is gorgeous she is like a 9.”

Well I’m going to do you guys the biggest favor ever I am going to introduce you to Binary Attraction. At the end of the day the question is binary.

“Would you fuck her?”

You really have 2 different answers:

“Yes” or “No”

There is nothing else when it comes to the beginning of a conversation going for a girl. Would you fuck her? That is it…. NOT if I was drunk I’d fuck her, not if I had a beer or two, not well maybe if we were the last two on this earth, Attraction is BINARY! You’d fuck her or you wouldn’t. It is damn simple.

Yeah if you are looking for more, you can add a part two question:

“Would you date her?”

Then again the answer is binary:

“Yes” or “No”

It is a problem when you think there is a difference between a 9 and 7. The honest truth is nothing changes in the grand scheme of alcohol or anything else, the answer is 0 or 1, yay or nay, yes or no, or however else you want to put it. There is none of the bull shit, you guys should never grant a woman a higher value based off of her aesthetics, it does nothing for you, it makes you look like a shallow douche bag and frankly women know when a guy is genuine and authentic or is a guy that ranks them by tits and ass.

As soon as you start giving a woman a 10 or a perfect rating or she is “just about perfect”, you create no margin for error. The truth of the matter courtship is a klutzy and awkward experience a lot of times, why put pressure on it to be some perfect experience and moment? You can make mistakes during the courtship process and still get the girl, certain mistakes are a bit more fatal than others but the reality is you just need to make one decision when you meet the girl, would you fuck her?

Far too many guys put too much stock in aesthetics and rate women by this or that but if you really think about it, how big of a turn off do you think you are when you are mentally giving some woman some “value”? Even worse, how bad do you think you look when you are placing a value on a woman’s looks? Women are very intuitive creatures and I think it is always a huge mistake to be so damn shallow, I mean one of the biggest necessities when it comes to being good with women is to build a connection, if you are busy assigning values to them you aren’t building a genuine connection. A connection isn’t about rating people as higher or lower but realizing we are all on equal ground.

Another issue I have noticed with rating women is that when you rate a woman higher or lower and you don’t have a lot of self-love and self-confidence you will often rank them higher then you from the get go. “Oh man she is a 10, how can I not be intimidated or terrified to talk to a woman like that? I’m not a 10.” Well that is the beauty of binary attraction, there is no higher or lower, none of that “she is better than me talk.”

It’s important to remember in the grand scheme of courtship women almost universally find the same behaviors attractive and courtship is obviously going to need the same physical escalations regardless. If you think you need to do things differently with a 9 then a 5 you aren’t being you. If you have to change your behaviors you aren’t reacting confidently, it’s not about you needing to do more when she is a “10” it is about you not needing to change anything from girl to girl regardless. I’m not at all saying to run routines, I’m not big on them…. I’m merely saying you shouldn’t change up anything simply because you think she is more or less attractive. So the question during each interaction is very simple “Would you fuck her?”

Just my thoughts on this whole rating shenanigans.....

Peace and Love,

Vic

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I think you have problems with your looks dude.

If I look good I like my women to be looking good. Simple as

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You missed the point, this has nothing to do with slumming it at all. I can agree with what you are saying but my point is simple, either you'd fuck her or you wouldn't. Regardless of how high your standards are the question is still as simple would you fuck her? I don't go slumming it, I have unusually high standards actually but my statement still is true, either I'd fuck her because she meets my standards or I wouldn't. You don't need to rank a woman on a scale to 10 to know whether you'd nail her. I hope that cleared it up for you.

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The problem is that it really isn't that simple. The question isn't "would you fuck her?" but rather "How much do you want to fuck her?" Some things are conditional, this isn't something that you flip a switch, choose yes or no, its something more like a slider bar.

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How is it conditional? The question is simple would you fuck her? In reality if you are a man's man and very instinctual you should be driven by the desire to fuck her(if you would fuck her) anyways. If you don't want to fuck her don't. We are talking about rating women, do you need to rate her? No, she simply needs to meet your standards for a relationship or sex, of course this can change, she can become less or more attractive but the reality is there is no difference in how you game a 10 or 5, the only difference is the 10 has more opportunity and thus you must be her "fuckable".

This is a big reason I believe in the No Fap as well, you are driven by your desire to fuck her, you don't need to rank her to say I'd fuck her. Yes you will be more attracted to some women then others but the reason for the simplicity is those of us who have been around those "10"s know there is no difference. As soon as I don't have the desire to fuck a woman I would fuck I am doing something incorrect.

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I'm not sure on the whole "binary attraction" thing and I do see Florg's point. As far as rating goes though, I just don't see the need for it. Can someone explain this to me? Can someone explain why the seduction community is better and more effective because of its tendency to make these shallow judgements? This is supposed to be about self-improvement, and in what way are we being our best selves when we judge women purely by aesthetics?

I think it's undeniable that a woman's looks form a big part of our attraction towards her, but I completely agree with poeticlyskuac that putting a number on that achieves nothing whatsoever. It only serves to psyche you out. I particularly agree with this:
Ask yourself, when you're out meeting women, does pausing to consider whether they're a 6 or 7 take you into or out of the moment? Are you more present to your own experience and hers while you're in the process of thinking "now how well does this person conform to my ideal of what is aesthetically pleasing?"

Fair enough how about this.... Either you want to fuck her or you don't.

"Do you want to fuck her?"

That is what it comes down but simply put the attraction is binary it still is yay or nay.

I understand what you guys are trying to say but in the end there really is the "would you"/"want to" this still doesn't require a rating system. When I use to "rate" women I was very bad with them, when I decided to say either I want to or don't I got way better with women because their physical value didn't make them more or less hard to talk to.

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I'd love a Ferrari, but I'd also drive a Jetta. Let's say I'm also a serious car afficionado. I go to Barrett Jackson's to buy a car. I have a set budget, but I'm not sure what exactly I want. Every car there I'd roll, but I'm trying find the best value for my money. VALUE. So how do I calculate value? It's more compicated than "I'd roll in that."

Sure, there's the curb appeal. It's got to have sexy lines and a good paint job. But what about performance? What about it's history? What about it's practical features?

What if I don't know much about cars other than what looks cool? How can I effectively judge/rate each car and know what I'm actually buying? I may not be happy with a beautiful looking hot rod once I find out it has manual steering and no air conditioning. I'd still roll it, but I'd be let down. It'd be a bad choice compared to some of the other cars which had features I wanted, but didn't realize I needed to look for them specifically.

And of course women are the same as cars in this regard.

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You just compare a woman to an object, the point of this whole concept is to stop objectifying congratulations on showing the exact reason why I wrote this article, Thank you! Honestly that was the biggest bunch of bullshit...

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It was an anology, so the objectification of women was incidental. When did the women's lib'ers make there way to this forum, anyway? I'm a pua, of course I objectify women!

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You don't understand the purpose of pick up if you think that it is about objectifying women. If you want to fuck an object go buy a fake pussy and fuck it, if you want to treat women like animals buy yourself a sheep, but if you truly enjoy women then stop objectifying them. This isn't about objectifying women, this is about getting better with women, for some it is about finding a wife for a family or whatever else.

Note: I've been on this forum over 5 years, the attitude use to be, leave 'em better then when you got them. I'm not liberal I'm old school.

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Objectification of women isn't a goal. It's merely a result of the pickup process. AFC is the way in which most guys go about relating to women, which is to be honest and show vulnerability. But women don't want that and they punish men mercillessly for behaving that way. Women objectify men as well. They pigeonhole guys into various categories. What do you think a "bad boy" is? It's a criminal! It's a sleezeball with tattoos and a criminal record who is good for nothing but sex and image. Groupies, gold diggers....they want men for money and to a lesser extent, sex and bragging rights. They don't want a guy to treat them right or care about the guy's feelings. They might leave you with herpes, but it won't be better than they found you.

Now sure, there's always an exception to the rule. There's a few good girls out there, but how many hearts will they break along the way? How many guys will they shoot down? Most guys will never end up with one of these few truly good women, or they will have a brief encounters with them and be chewed up and spit out and left behind.

That's why I was so drawn to pick up. I realized that if I did things correctly according to pickup guidelines, I could actually do better with women than I would otherwise. I don't necessarily just view them as slam peices, but I have no qualms lying to them and objectifying them if it helps me acheive my personal goals.

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LOL - YOU ARE CLUELESS! It isn't a result of the process, it is a result of tools who think that is it and that is how to think. The best puas know it is all about being authentic and genuine, not lying or being ridiculous. There are more than a few awesome women out there, unfortunately you'll scare them away before you find out with that attitude. Awesome women don't take shit imho, at the same time they can be caring and fun.

So women steal money, kill men, are you going to start going out and robbing and killing them? That was the stupidest defense of your actions, ever hear the saying "Two wrongs don't make a right"? The fact that someone else does it doesn't make it a good thing, what a middle school kids style of defense. How about this several women have committed suicide, does that mean you should do it?

People get hurt, shit happens on that end I have been hurt, I have even hurt girls.... It is inevitable, when you make yourself into that guy you end up with girls who fall hard for you. The point is to realize when you want less than her and be honest.

It isn't AFC to be honest, it is AFC to be dishonest.... I use to think honesty was the sign of an AFC but now I look at it as I will tell a girl every last sexual thing I want to do to her and all it does is turn her on. AFCs lack confidence that means they don't say or go after what they want.... THEY LIE! Lies are used to gain approval, they are for the ego.

Confident people say what they want when they want even if they find a diplomatic way to say it(they know what they are saying and how it will likely influence them).

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Disagree.

Nothing wrong with giving value to a women based on her aesthetics. Why? Because I train hard and am working on my body to be aesthetic. It takes dedication and hard work for a women to be aesthetic, just as it would take a guy.

I find it funny how it's always the out of shape people making fun of people who are in shape.

cliffs pls
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