"DHV can be given or assumed".
"What do you prefer" Jack asked
"I do assumed, because that's what I teach"

I told this to my students on my seminar on a day I can't even remember now... I hope it clicked to then... If it didn't, MY APOLOGIES

Here is the explanation to the Myth of DHVing

The Myth
You have to show her you're a man of value

The Fact
That's bullcrap, you don't have to show or prove to anybody... You either have value or you don't... People can see right through it, specially her

I was re-reading segments I had higlighted from "The Game" and I got this GREAT quote by Neil Strauss
I'll quote Hitch here (Beautiful movie by the way, it resumes PU in the first 4 minutes)
I'll quote myself here, Romeo says:
See where I'm going?

Strauss says that just like a salesman, a Pick Up Artist must believe in what he is delivering or be a great actor.

Hitch says that you can't fake something you're not. TRUE
You will get caught sooner or later
He also says she doesn't want the whole truth, but she wants the real you. TRUE
Don't worry about unloading everything you got there fella, keep it mysterious and let her get to know you... be SINCERE
Hitch also says that she doesn't expect to know the real you all at once but she does want to see it. TRUE
She wants to know your core values, what you're made of... That is, the traits that resemble you the most speak louder than any DHV story crap.

I say: Relax and stop reading so many ebooks, that confuses you even more. You want your mind to be FREE thinking when you're in the field. PU is simple, don't make it complex.

I reveal to you: Romeo's Method

Of course I won't go into details, I will only reveal how I teach

Rule Number 1: If you're attractive, she WILL be attracted, all you gotta do is TALK.

I. Your core values. This is who YOU are, WHAT you do and HOW you do it. Not what your name is, what do you for a living and where do you live. This is what establishes that thing called connection.

The YOU: Personality and Identity, who you want to be
The WHAT: The step you will take
The HOW: How will you get there

II. The Process

1. Approach
2. Interaction + Escalation
3. Closing

They all go in Handy, and of course they break down into other steps that I like to call Microcalibration such as: Shaping, rapport, cocky humor, etc.

The approach is simple: Direct, energetic and sincere.

The interaction is simple and relaxed, this is when your best traits (and generally Universally Attractive Traits) are OBSERVED, the seconday traits (those that are not OBSERVED are either TOLD or LEARNED. i.e. Generosity, sports, previous success, etc)

The escalation goes in hand as you escalate, Kino with Sexual Tension... Body Language, Tone and Words... I.E. My body language when I first open is not the same as the moment previous to the kiss... My tone is not the same when I'm seducing that when I'm building rapport... My words that pre-stage sex are sexually charged... I wouldn't do that in a coffee shop. Get the idea?

The seduction is simple. Two steps forward, one step back.. Less LMR, reach from behind, do the unexpected,,, and more than anything, take your time.

Rule Number 2: Once she likes you, all you have to do is NOT mess up (Thank you Hitch)

Um...That's it? Yup that's it

Don't worry about PROVING your value to her... That's for dummies

I'll give you more since you're hungry

Confidence
Humor
Authenticity
Looks, Body Language and Tone

These 4 traits in my experience, are the switches that turn on the fastest, so get working on them... These are OBSERVED, rather than told or learned

OBSERVED: She sees it
LEARNED: You tell her somehow (DHV spikes)
TOLD: Someone else tells her

You won't have someone say "He is so confident", or even worse, you yourself tell her "I'm confident"... She will KNOW it if she sees it

BUT, if someone says "He won many medals in soccer", he/she is DHVing you. It's much better than you saying "I won medals" and of course, just by looking at you she won't know you wont medals (This is why you want wings, check out my post on winging)

See where this is leading?

Those secondary traits, such as previous success, generosity, etc are LEARNED and TOLD, but NOT observed....

So go with the flow... and please... Stop worrying about DHVing so much... worry about improving yourself first...

Um,,, part 2 comming soon

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The whole problem with this, Romeo, is there IS a purpose for DHVing. Not everyone has a wing, and not all wings are good. Some people sarge solo. There's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT either. You can pick up women just fine sarging solo.

And guess what? DHVing actually does WORK. I know, that's a shocker, but it's true. You should try it sometime.

[quote=Romeo7]
Here is the explanation to the Myth of DHVing

The Myth
You have to show her you're a man of value

The Fact
That's bullcrap, you don't have to show or prove to anybody... You either have value or you don't... People can see right through it, specially her [/quote]

Everyone has value Romeo. Cut the bullshit. Every guy in this place has value. What women see right through IMMEDIATELY is whether you are confident in who you are or not. They have no idea what your value is other than perceived value at first, until they get to know you, either through stories you tell, or what the wings tell, if there are wings.

Perhaps you are missing the point of this post?

Cut what bullshit? Your not making much of a response honestly, yes everyone has value, thats obvious, we call it intrinsic value. But I'm afraid you aren't really absorbing what Romeo is trying to get across. You don't need to even have a wing to have someone assume value. Things are always better well done, than well said. Focus less on hyping yourself up with DHV spikes and things of the sort, and actually be that value you are trying so hard to display with your words. Actions speak louder than words, that's a fact. Or perhaps you do understand what he is saying, and would rather be constantly speaking and storytelling about your value...instead of BEING YOUR VALUE. There is a difference my friend.

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Perhaps you’d like to elaborate on the above. Consider this scenario: you’re sarging alone, approached a set, and isolated your target. Now, how do you “be that value you are trying so hard to display with your words”?

Also, rather than “constantly speaking and storytelling about your value”, how do you ‘be your value’?

I used to try to DHV myself by subtly letting them learn things about me. Then I started playing around with what ought to be DLV stories...I'll tell stories about the time I accidentally walked into the women's restroom and was embarrassed...I'll tell them to ignore any odors coming from my direction because I had chili at lunch today with lots of beans. Or I'll drop a real stinker and then claim it proudly..."Smell that? It was me." Or I'll tell them, boastfully, that after all hard the work I did today in the yard, I've now got the nicest trailer in the entire park.

Amazingly, the DLV stories actually make them more attracted than trying to make them understand I'm making a 1/4 mil a year. Dropping hints like "my employees are..." or "I just got back from Vegas where I lost $11 grand..." These stories tend to come off as trying to prove value to the target and usually backfire.

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I made a very clear response actually. I second Brad's request. Please elaborate on YOUR point.

The Myth you stated is what your Romeo method equals too not your Fact
you still must DHV the women through your words and actions .
The way you state it seems like you can just look at someone an tell if they're guilty or innocent, a playa or chump, PUA or AFC etc.

most people here who have educated themselves know that can work... its called "cocky funny" deangelo wrong a bunch of books about it...

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By speaking openly, and passionately. By being willing to put your values out there on the chopping block... Being willing to take a risk. This is very similiar to the point I'm always trying to get out, about speaking with emotion and passion insted of facts. Women think emotionally.

This method of 'DHVing' is so potent because they discover your value themselves through your actions, and in your story telling they connect on an emotional level insted of a logical one.

For being the value your trying to be so hard with your words part... I'd say it's something like this... If you see a big beautiful diamond, you understand fairly quickly that it's exceptionally valuable... now if someone tells you "Thats 20 karats and worth several hundred thousand dollars"... now you still know that it's of exceptional value, but you have no mystery left.

I think the point of this is that you should just be higher value, and display it with your actions... when you do that theres no need to tell someone you are.

So Romeo, Meth if I'm right here and then it what you guys were getting at, then I agree 100%. And thats a part of my 'method' aswell... if you were going in a different direction, then please elaborate.

So I'm "sarging alone", which I would prefer to just call, living my life. Let's say I walk into a bookstore (a place I visit often), and I approach a set of a few people, and isolate my target. We go sit down to grab a cup of coffee (espresso for me), chances are I've either picked up or brought my own book with me, chances are she has one too. We have a common interest, this common bond holds a certain amount of unspoken value. Shes a reader, I'm a reader, it's likely that if I begin to talk about writing, reading, favorite authors and things of the sort we're going to end up in a very deep, interesting conversation. A conversation that in and of itself, again, holds great value. Through my actions (finding and sharing a common bond, interest, or other connection) I have developed far more value with the woman than be focusing on DHVing by crafting stories that are specifically engineered to impress people. The point of Romeo's post was not to say, DONT DHV yourself. Obviously, this is something everyone does naturally, we all like to share our outstanding qualities, successes, and whatnot with others. It makes us feel good, and it makes other appreciate our value. And obviously while we are conversing she or I may tell a story or two, thats natural as well. But a rehearsed one? Please, that's lame (not lame as a crutch in beginning, I fully understand the need for canned lines in the beginning, lets not get into that again, what we are talking about here is progression PAST that), and it's certainly not a social skill. What he was trying to say is that instead of engineering your life to be cool, interesting, valuable through stories and other forms of direct DHVing, you should be passively showing value by the things that you do, how you carry and deliver yourself, and other more subtle, natural ways of BEING VALUABLE.

The thing is fellas, luckily for those who know it, women are very intuitive and receptive to signs and clues that will tell them more about who you really are than listening to you telling her a story.

I could go on with other examples of ways that women LEARN about your value rather than be TOLD. But I feel the idea is pretty simple, ask if you'd like other examples.

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Yes, women DO pick up on all the subtleties, which is one key of the stories as well. It's not entirely the stories themselves, but what's portrayed under the stories, the body language, the confidence, the voice tone, the passion of the storyteller that the girl is picking up on. But, the content of the story is important as well, because she's also picking up clues from that to piece together more of the character of the guy that's talking.

It's a whole picture. Part of it doesn't work. Even when, as you say, the stories of your life are "natural", whether you like to admit it or not, it's still somewhat staged because you are mentally still picking out the high value portions and interesting things because that's precisely what you want her to know.

I say this is all a matter of semantics.

You guys are telling us not to DHV by telling them what makes you valuable and interesting, but instead BE interesting and valuable. That is still DHVing, just done with different tactics. Instead of trying to create more narrow definitions of how to go about things, how about we broaden our horrizons a bit, shall we boys?

If I walk into a set and start telling them about how "my roommate just schooled me at a game of darts and that I'm looking for someone that doesn't have the skill level of a pro championship player", then I am DHVing by showing that I hang out with some interesting people and also that I am outgoing and social. I didn't use any stories or tactics that were pre-fabricated, but I'm still DHVing, because they're still realising I have higher value.

It doesn't matter HOW you make them realise you have more value than the guy 10 feet away, just that they do, that's DHVing. You can do it in a crafted story, or with a routine, or just by hanging out and being "that guy" that everyone loves and wants to be around because you're the life of the party. Who cares HOW you do it, because it honestly doesn't matter any more than whether you prefer cheddar cheese, or mozzarella.

See how utterly random that was? That's kinda like this thread. All you are arguing is that your methods are superior. I agree that your methods have merrit and that is usually how I DHV as well, but it's still DHVing and it's still just a method, not the game. Let people decide what works best for them and just put your method out there for them to decide if it's the right one.

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~ Rye

Well put Rye.

Cut the bullshit?
Look, Tripp
Here is my advice: Start behaving like man, rather than attack.
Please. This is a formal request, you're a mod, lead with example.
I could tell you to cut the bullshit of your life and posts just by showing a picture of you, don't make me do that, for your own good kid.

I'll give you a second chance if you can actually argue where did I say:
- Of course everyone has value, even you.
- Of course they see you're confident, but also your fashion, your body language, your socail Proof, all of that without speaking

I'll break it down for you guys further, of course most of you understand. Most.

Body Language and Voice Tone:
- Full of life, yeah.. Of course that is, if you have a life, unlike being in the keyboard 18 hours out of the entire day.
- Also, your body language shows your social experience. Shows if you can stand, sit and walk CORRECTLY next to a woman
- Voice tone, are you intimated? getting nervous? loud enough to get everyone's attention? Does your voice convey leadership?

Facial Expressions:
- How you handle shit tests
- Conveys emotions

All of that are part of you, and within a minute you can switch so many attraction switches on.

And of course you can meet women solo. I go out solo all the time, and so does Meth and I belive also the Doctor. Maybe you should get your facts right.
Really????? No shit, if you wouldn't have told me, I would never know, thanks for lighting up my way to a PUA.

Trippy... did I ever argue that DHV doesn't work?

I think I wrote "I do ASSUMED dhv", referring to my seminar.

Perhaps reading twice before making a fool of yourself?

And then you put "Well put Rye"

Rye Lee made a great point (Good post man, except that I didn't tell to stop DHVing, cause everything is a exchange of DHV and DLV, everyhting in life, even when you're on your way to work, I expose the way *I* do my thing), just like him, I put out there my view on this, and you attack? and then act like that was what you meant the whole time? Please.

I request FORMALLY, that moron either stops attacking us (and give constructive criticism); since it helps newbies to see a fight show rather than actually learning; or I will honestly stop posting on this forum. I post here 'cause I was born here, and because I have a great friend who is still loyal to this forum.

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Now, to the GOOD arguing

DHVing through subtle moves works as effectively as DHVing through stories and DHV spikes.


What I argued is:

- DHV stories can be cool, but if they are made up, then they are fake and you will be caught on your fake stuff sooner or later. I don't know about you, but my girls accept me the way I am.
- DHVing subtly works MUCH FASTER than DHVing through stories. I want to get that hottie's phone number and want her attracted to me DEEPLY ATTRACTED to me instantly, (I said deeply, just a word of caution)
- DHVing your PRIMARY (Listen Tripp, I said PRIMARY), in case you don't know what Primary means, look it up in your dictionary, come the fastest just by INTERACTING.

Then come the secondary traits (that is if you can actually read and COMPREHEND), bravery, previous success, adventurous and such. THAT... that is your DHV stories, the stories that shall be part of your exciting lifestyle, not made up from sitting on the keyboard 18 hours out of the 24 in the day.

Observed: Primarymostly
Learned and Told: Seconday traits

(Write that down)

Learned and Told serve to MAGNIFY what you got initally with your observed attractive traits. They also serve to find commonalities, open other threads, and so on.

Doctor, Yup, that's what I meant. You got it. Awesome explanation. You and I walk in the same path. It's faster.

And quite honestly, this is ridiculous. Having one dude attack EVERY single time we post.

I request this again, Tripp either stops ATTACKING us or I will stop posting here. (Do it for the guys that want to learn)

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If you refer to a moderator again as a 'moron' I will BAN you for life! Like you have banned him (LA) from your forum! Do you understand?

It seems to me, you are simply trying to give certain PU techniques and tactics a 'spin', with the suggestion that you are adding something new or innovative. When, in fact, you are adding no additional value to the existing PU technique(s) or tactic(s), from what I can see.