Hi!

I've been interesting in/working on my game for less than a year, but I've already had some pretty negative reactions from friends to it. I feel that those I've told about my involvement with PUA seem to view me differently as a result, and yet interestingly, I've not had one single person tell me that I've changed for the worse just by observing me. In fact, a couple of my work colleagues told me the other day that they thought I had changed for the better lately.

It seems to be the case that the mere mention of the seduction community sends a lot of people into severe judgement, and that attempts to explain or defend it generally fall on deaf ears.

Here are some choice comments I've had about it:

"All I know about this 'seduction community' thing is what you've told me, but that's enough to make me feel nauseous. I don't really want to talk about it any further."

"Everyone tries to make an impression to gain the interest of the girl/guy in the 'regular world'. The difference is that this is something taught, that someone has spent time and energy learning about with the purpose of "picking up". People react negatively because it seems seedy and manipulative. I can see the reasons why it is an attractive proposition to learn how to manipulate someone into liking oneself, but that doesn't stop it being morally pretty shady."

"its a community of people who don't get laid because they are arseholes tricking gulible women into fucking them, I hope they all get the clap"

Have other people had similar responses? At this point I'm going to try to avoid talking to any new people about this stuff unless it's a man who asks me for help with women. I'm already a bit sick of being perceived differently because of it. I think if people start commenting that I have changed for the worse without knowing about PUA then maybe I'll start taking that seriously, but as long as I'm getting positive responses to how I'm actually behaving, then that's probably more worth paying attention to than people's views on something they don't really know about or understand.

Unless someones into fight club, dont talk about fight club

and those comments are obviously from girls, I would guess they are both from the same girl, not numerous and random "friends"

Agreed with detox, he is absolutely right.....

That said, if a woman says anything say "Hey I'm sorry but this is a problem I see in my life that requires remedy. When you have issues in an area you work on it. The overall goal of "seduction community" isn't to get me to fuck 10k women but to become a better man for women. I am tired of girls like you that shoot me down, when I see total douche bags come in and nail and bail. Your prejudices about these guys are wrong, they're guys like me that wanted help because the girls we like hurt us, it's a choice to do something about it. Don't you think it sucks getting hurt repeatedly and it would be stupid to not do anything about it?"

Something like that should do the trick. I've said shit like this and for me holds a bit of a truth so most girls will start to see your point. It's not about becoming a slut, we all come here with a different overall purpose, get a girlfriend, wife, sleep with 100 women, or whatever else but the key is we all come here to gain a skill set with women.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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It may seem obvious to you, but it isn't the case. These three comments were made by three different male friends of mine (well, one of them is actually my cousin).

The only conversation I've had with a girl about game (other than on this forum) was with the best friend of the guy who introduced me to game. She didn't say anything highly critical like my male friends, but basically said she had reservations about it and said she felt uncomfortable when she knew someone was gaming one of her friends. I haven't spoken to any other girls about it because I feel that doing so would be counter to my purposes. The three guys I spoke to are guys whose opinions I respect and who I can trust to keep my confidence and not go around telling other people about these things. Part of the reason I wouldn't want to tell girls about it is that they would be a lot more likely to go around telling other girls, so even if the ones I told understood, the ones who they told might not.

Actually, I have gained a few friends because of it.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Detox answered this quite nicely lol

Hmmm I don´t know. I used to be more of a casual player, but now that I am fully dedicating myself and trying to really earn the title PUA, I have realized that some of my friendships are, in fact, taking damage of it. Mostly friends who I have gone out with and have no game, blame for always leaving them alone and getting off with girls (as one of them said, "you might as well do what you do with us on your own").

I don´t have these issues with other people (more casual ones or the ones with more game), but I am not comfortable with losing my friends. Time will tell what happens, I guess. Only thing I know for sure is I am not going to stop to grow anytime soon.

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weird that 3 guys made those comments, doesn't sound like something a guy would say at all

''GO OUT AND TRY TO GET LAID TONIGHT AT THE BAR? OH WHATS THAT YOU HAVE SOME FUNNY WAYS TO START A CONVERSATION WITH A GIRL? FUCK MAN... FUCK THAT SHIT, STOP TRYING TO TRICK PEOPLE INTO LIKING YOU BY HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND MAKING THEM LAUGH AND FEEL GOOD DUDE, FUCK OFF AND DIE OF THE CLAP ASSHOLE!!''

-shotgun's male friend

just stop talking about the pua scene so much, use the material instead of talking about it (that's what puaforums and puachats are for), if you can't maybe you should just take some time off from reading pua material or something and find a different focus in life so that focus becomes your new subject of conversation

the pua community hasn't lost me friends at all, in fact made me more friends and improved how good I am at making new friends

i only know 4 people that are familiar with the community. Guy who introduced me to book The Game, one who was almost natural in the game, one who gave up before me even knowing about the PU, and one annoying dude who doesn't know to use any of the pu material.

But my world started revolving a bit more about women, and i'm taking up on alot of interesting things i would not before.

Helped few guys with their oneitises, met a ton of girls. PU improved the quality of my life, not only girls-wise.

But i have to stress, I don't tell people "I'm into PU." just imagine, you get a girl and you tell her "I'm not really like this, it's this pu thing i do."-Why man? You change for the better, but all that people need to know it that "you changed for better." Leave the community underground. All you should care about is the result.

look from the girls perspective: She sees you as a cool dude she wants to hang out with, and the next moment you are just another guy with a fake personality.

But to answer your question: Some of my male friends had to accept the fact i got more flirty with women, and that i started doing some random shit. I lost no friend on that end. As it goes for my female friends, i started using the PU on them to make the time they spend with me more interesting and unpredictable. Few of them were surprised by my change, but not a single one did back up or stopped hanging out with me. And i meet like one girl every two weeks that is really worth my time and that are the one i try to keep in my circle of friends.

So yeah, use the stuff but dont go around telling you are using it

that ^^

lol

My mate who made the second comment about tricking people into liking you met my mate who introduced me to PUA. It was an interesting evening - my PUA mate was basically in with this girl and spent the whole evening gaming the fuck out of her. She was having a great time, as was he, but my non-PUA mate who was aware of what the PUA mate did also tried to charm the girl, and I would say he did. He's a very decent guy and I think she liked him. Maybe if she was looking for a long-term boyfriend he would have been in with a shot, but there was no question who she was going home with that night. He got rather annoyed about this on the night and said that he was disappointed that the girl clearly had some idea what my PUA mate was up to and that she still went along with it. However, as I said to him, my PUA friend was creating an experience that she enjoyed and that stood out from what she gets from a lot of guys, so why wouldn't she go along with it? I think I learnt a lot that evening because my non-PUA mate is in no way a chode and I think would probably offer a girl a lot of value just through being a decent guy. However the guy who's put in as much effort as my PUA mate has into knowing how to handle women is always going to come out on top.

Some riends gave me negative reactions, mostly behind my back..
I confronted then and told them that they shouldn't complain if a girl wants to talk to me instead of him. I never complained when something like that happend, i blamed myself because i didn't sucseed. The most people who complain are the ones that use to be better then me, and they can't handle the lack of attention.

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I've not told anyone about PUA, really. Just figure that it's all info I want to keep to myself. I figure it's honestly not something I want other people to know about me. Particularly women, but men as well, because I guess it's not a very 'nice' thing to be thinking about the entire thing as a game - even though, really, all of it IS.

I did tell someone about the armaggedon opener though, couldn't help it

Pretty much everyone you tell (from personal experience) has a negative reaction to pick up. Most of my friends still think it is weird, a few close ones started doing pick up though. To actually understand what pick up is, you really need to do it, thus they don't really understand.

Most girls can easily be talked around 'it's self improvement etc.' most guys rationalize it away 'it's weird' 'i don't need that, i'm already too cool/ get laid'.

In the end though, Do you actually give a fuck???? Who cares what they think, don't waste time trying to change their opinions, let them think it is weird/ creepy etc. Value what you think, above what they do. ACCEPTANCE.

The question you need to be asking is, are these people really my friends?

^ More often than not, they arn't. These so called friends couldn't give a shit about you. If they had to chose between something they like and helping you, would they help you? If the answer is no . . . Go out meet new people, make new friends.. this time ones that have a positive influence in your life.

To answer your question, like Ezo, I too have made new friends by talking about PU, both male and female. There is a lot of curiousty in the subject and people will be intrigued.

To touch on a completely different area. How are you bringing up the topic? More often than not, you will try way too hard to sell it to the person you are talking to.. to gain their approval and make them see that it is a good thing. It's can come across as try hard and naturally people will be skeptical.

Then again if the people you are talking to are really your friends, they would be supportive and want you to improve. Remember some friends don't really want the best for you. Ever seen the friends that turn their back on you the moment a girl walks in the room . . .

- Kang

If you are explaining pick up to someone, you are qualifying.