The Eharmony/Match chicks are going to be more serious than the PoF and OKC chicks. But as you need experience around woman any experience helps. You likely should switch up dating sites on occasion.

Good work on opening. Remember just make a quota for approaching/opening every day and make it a habit. Say 3-5 to start, then build up from there in how long you hang in set. Keeping a journal will really help you, write down your observations and learn from your mistakes. Make hard number goals, if you dont you will get lazy and rationalize not approaching as soon as you get blown out a few times.

Ill PM you my top 5 things to do in the first 30 seconds of every date. It will help you make a great first impression, its foolproof when executed correctly.

anonbro, You're starting to do the right things. Talking to girls. Chubby cashier, attractive girls, the key word is girls. eharmony is OK as a source, but IRL girls are better practice. You're going to have to meet those eharmony girls in person to score. Advice about downplaying the gym is solid. Going to the gym, improving yourself is good. Letting a girl know too early that the gym is real important is not. Ditto with downplaying video games. Keep up the good work. VR

anonbro, As someone already said, don't expect your car or your money to get girls for you. Make them want you not your things. You can do it. VR

I went on my first date in a few months last night. Extremely attractive blonde, probably an 8.5. Detox actually managed to figure out why I was failing before in PMs and my performance was drastically improved. Beforehand I tended to start off with high initial attraction that would go away entirely after 5-10 minutes and I'd be sunk. Here I actually messed up and was slightly awkward at the start but since the major flaw in my rapport had been corrected, she became attracted later. After I built some attraction I told this beautiful woman that I was sort of a nerd and she actually started qualifying herself and trying to tell me how she's a nerd (she's definitely NOT one...southern sorority chick type).

I failed to kino her much though, and I could use some help through this sticking point. First off...is it logistically better to sit at the bar with a girl, or to sit next to her at a table (usually semi-circle padded bench)? I usually do the latter and feel like I don't really know how far away from her to sit at the start of the date, how to sit, etc. It seems awkward to reach out and touch her in that situation, especially if I'm sitting slightly too far away. Any tips on how to sit and the moves to make would be nice. Most of what I've seen is standing kino escalation.

Second, if you haven't kinoed and you're still interested and think you have a shot, what's the best way to close out a first internet date without killing attraction? Handshake? Awkward hug? Just say bye?

Lastly, she didn't text me at all after the date or today. I texted her and told her she looked good last night and I had a nice time. Wanted to clearly show interest because I think I seemed a bit too disinterested last night. She said she had a nice time too but nothing else. Polite brush-off or should I keep going for it?

I read everything your going through. Keep learning about different techniques as much as possible. I think Mystery and Lovedrop do an awesome job of explaining kino. Watch kino escalation part 1-6 on youtube. Keep doing everything your doing (going to the gym, meeting up with women online, etc.) The more options you have, the less you will worry about that one girl not responding the way you want. If you keep pushing it too much, it will only drive her away. If you think she knows you like her, you did your job. Now its her turn. It really is all about the chase. Everyone wants something that they can't have. Just don't play her game...

So you're saying I texted her, she responded, and now I say nothing else and see if she texts again? I'm not stressing over it at all because I have plenty of solid dates coming up, but I am interested and I want to get more experience with D2's. Basically, I'm in a perfect mental state of non-needyness but I'm still curious about if she liked me or not.

I've watched lovedrop but that's mostly standing kino. My problem is more the awkwardness of how/where to sit, and choosing the seating location that will give me the easiest path to escalate kino.

If you watched the videos then you would understand that it doesn't matter if your standing or not. He makes a point to show that if you are directly facing a girl it is more awkward than sitting next her and talking. I personally would say something that you know should bring a conversation and just a bit of rapport. If she still is not responding the way you like my last bet would to let her know that you should meet up sometime. Texting, I think should only be used to meet up with a person and not to build rapport.