Hi guys,

I met this really hot HB9 last friday and dated her on sunday. She kept telling me she was a Christian. But last sunday she explained her beliefs more clearly to me:

- no sex before marriage
- sex and even masturbation or "desire" is a sin and should be avoided
- our love must be Gods will (although it didn't becom clear to me how this can be determend)
-we prayed together for a good follow up on the date and our well being.

After a while I isolate her in a lounge, undisturbed by others. We got cosey and we kissid. It started as a very tender kiss, but her body started shaking and shivering almost like she was about to have a full body orgasm. Our making out was more like foreplay with clothes on and we had to control ourselves to stop. If we got kicked out by the staff, that would have not surprised me.

So I would like some advice on the following:

- I don't really believe that she can keep up with this pressure, but won't force her to do anything that will make her feel guilty. But maybe there is some way around this? Has anyone ever experienced people changing their minds about this?

- The culture here in Amsterdam is very liberal and her beliefs are extraordinary compared to the rest of the people. here. I think they are a bit too strictly followed for a religious person. Are there any religious PUA's or PUA's from countries with strict sexual moral whom might shed some light on this please?

- Is this kind of abstinaition healthy? I am reading sperm wars at the moment and I learnt a lot of how the boyd fully automated has sex and sexual functions with all sorts of reasons to ensure reproductive succes. Masturbation for women for example prevents infections.

Honestly the way things are going now I don't think it is going to work, but I would like to give it my best shot and need your advice on this. Please help.

thanx

Bucc

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You can do anything you set your mind to.

People always try to make sex and masturbation sound like its healthy simply because they want an excuse to do it.

In a way I admire the strength of character and mind to resist temptation. On the other hand I think this may just be fear and guilt stopping her from doing this and not actually will.

A lot times these women are kinda crazy and emotional wrecks. They are trying to live up to some standard because they feel to guilty not to, but they never do because they society is not an abstinent society these days and people aren't built for this like the used to be. Often times these women will go strong then they will have lapses and then once they lapse they may cut you off all together. Its really kind of ridiculous.

If you want to have sex with her I think you need to change her world view slightly. She has to accept that she does not have to be perfect. Otherwise her guilt will destroy anything meaningful.

Tell her you really feel a connection with her. Tell her that you think she's the type of girl you could see yourself marrying one day. Tell her you are fine with not having sex, but continue to try to escalate things physically with her and test her boundaries. Try to destroy the memes in her head which reinforce her limiting beliefs. Tell her that you've heard pastor's talk about how the church embraces healthy sexual relationships between a man and a woman. Tell her that in this day and age, things aren't like they used to be, and that most couples hook up before they marry, and many even have kids out of wedlock. Basically downplay her beliefs, try to replace them with yours, and continue to create attraction between the two of you all the while slowly seducing her.

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I like to pick and choose my battles... spending the next six months putting massive effort into one piece of ass doesnt sound like fun to me.

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My personal mantra:

"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

I go to BYU, I get pussy.

Yeah but are you breaking down the Im waiting for marriage women or picking the jill mormons? IDK, I had one stand up freak out and say I cant do this and literally run out of my house.

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My personal mantra:

"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

Tell her that there is nothing in the bible against sex, and go on the explanation i think david d and Dicarlo have about why the church prohibit sex, the history of it, then if that does not work. Arouse her to the point were arousal takes over, other than that, do not waste your time, if you fuck her, she will be a clinger anyways...


Next her...

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Personally, I'd move on.

If you try and persuade her against her beliefs then like Skills says, she's probably going to be a clinger. She doesn't want sex before marriage etc? Well even if you do get her to have sex with you (which is going to take a lot of persuading/work by the sounds of it) then she's still going to probably only have sex with you if she thinks there's going to be a very serious relationship afterwards. Effort.

Now I suppose you can try and find out if these are really strong genuine beliefs, or if they're just some sort of front or whatever.

But if they are genuine then you're going to have to put in a LOT of work to get her to change her mind, you're going to have to completely change someone's whole belief system, you're probably going to have a girl wanting a serious relationship afterwards and/or if you don't want a relationship and are just trying to have sex with her, you're probably going to end up hurting her a lot as well.

Personally, sounds like a lot of effort and possible negative outcomes just for this one girl when there are plenty of others around.

Your situation sucks so much. I'm currently after a muslim and a christian and they both seem pretty strict... I wish religion wasn't an obstacle

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"even masturbation or "desire" is a sin and should be avoided" shes dead wrong. Call her out. BTW this wasn't in America secretly was it? Because I bumped into a HB 9 at church recently, with a group of friends. My mate bailed on me, he wouldn't have no part of it in winging. I solo'ed, kino and chatted for 3 mins. but no go. Being a church girl she probably has all the men in the church drooling over her, chasing her. The hottest ones get hit on first.


I don't think I have see this in the Bible "our love must be Gods will " I only recall about sex in marriage only, but you can blow each others minds out[says not to with hold sex from each other!], sex unlimited. Girls like this seem dangerous to marry/date to me, they have no clue about sex. Book of solomon is about oral sex, people think the Bible forbids sex, no!!!! theres a lot of sex talk in the Bible. Just you don't hear them talking aboout it like they are scared of it. I think thats why Christians have highest divorce rates.

Call her out, sex must not be forbiden when you are married. It's a sin!

Speak from experience< tried to date christian girls from church, ask them out, seem stuck up in my area. I asked 10+ out and my friend asked 7[some relaping]. I don't think its our game....

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