Just a quick question, can/should you ever call a girls bluff/force the issue when she gives you mixed signals?

Gaming a girl who is doing this and am tempted to simply say to her, look you either want to spend time with me or you don't, I don't have time for guesing games. What's it to be?

Tried it yesterday with a girl who I didn't care so much about and it worked brilliantly, but I get the feeling this is a high risk strategy and since I do actually like this other girl am wary of blowing it.

From what I understand of it, not through personal experience though, is that sometimes girls, especially ones that play a lot of games, just need to be told what they want. However, I wouldn't say anything unless you're really into the girl. I just went through the same situation with a girl I was seeming the past few weeks. I realized though she wasn't someone I wanted a relationship with and she wasn't putting out either. It wasn't worth the headache so I didn't bother.

This is a hard matter to settle on.

Why this is a good thing to do: You set the frame that you are the one in charge, you won't take any shit from her and you want a plain answer. This portrays you as an alpha male, and it may create attraction because you're everything, but needy and clearly states that you have better things to do than playing her games.

Why this is a bad thing to do: Mixed signals is how many women game. Killing this may also kill her attraction towards you, as she is no longer able to do to you, what she usually does to guys she's attracted to. It's a matter of state.. Kind of "Make it 'till you fake it" just the other way around. It also shows that her mixed signals have thrown you a little out of line, enough that you actually responded at an emotional level and therefore failed her shit tests to some extent. Edit: You also put a lot of pressure on her. Forcing her to say either yes or no to a quite serious matter. In a lot of situations, this will lead to a no, where you could've gotten a yes by escalation.

As a conclusion to this matter, I think you should try and figure out who YOU are. Are you the kind of guy that doesn't take shit from anyone, and shows this by confrontation. Or are you the kind of guy that doesn't take shit from anyone, because it simply doesn't affect you.

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Yea it's high risk, I've tried this tonnes of times (most pre-PUA) and it's a bit all or nothing, can work really well, sometimes they just cut contact completely, but in my experience most of the time you lose them.

Overall I'm not a fan of ultimatums.

Best advice I can give you, game her as best you can, be persistant, and don't get angry if she flakes just take it in your stride.

Girls like this is all about timing, timing that is usually out of your control, so hang in there.

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Both vicparkguy83 and The Dice couldn't have said it any better. It's a question I've asked myself many times because I don't like playing games either. It's hard not to get tired of the situation right away but if you determine it's worth it then more power to you. Like vic said, be persistent and don't act like it bothers you if she isn't chasing you. More or less reverse psychology. If she blows you off just be like 'It's cool, no problem.' Then you are demonstrating a more alpha mentality by not letting it bother you.

Love that quote Dice, 'Are you the kind of guy that doesn't take shit from anyone, and shows this by confrontation. Or are you the kind of guy that doesn't take shit from anyone, because it simply doesn't affect you.'

Fair point, I am persistent and I have determined that this is probably worth playing a longer game than usual. I think the only reason I was short with the other girl was because I didn't really care if my direct approach backfired.

I'll freeze this girl out until tomorrow and then ask her out for Friday. And if she blows me off I'll freeze her out until next week.

There you go dude. Like a fucking game of cat and mouse. Flip the tables on her and become the attainable one. Like your time is more important and she is lucky to have that little bit you're willing to give her. If you already have a lot of attraction built with her that might just be what you need. My friend always told me persistence = pussy man but don't throw yourself at her. Make her earn it.

Freeze out is the best option as if you have lost all interest, this hits the girl on an emotional level. Any guy on here who has had MLTR will tell you, it's the one you think you are loosing that you want to stabilise with.

Found this out when I first got into the game. I gamed an HB8 who I took a shine to in my local club for 6 weeks Fri and Sat nights thats 12 nights in total at some point I tried to FC her but she messed about and kept me dangling. Eventually I met another girl in the club who I really liked and started gaming her instead and all my feelings for the first girl disappeared. You can guess what happened.... the first girl realised she had lost me and decides to chase me instead; even offering a back to hers for coffee. I said no because I had genuinlly lost interest. Strange thing women.

Alpha male say: If its on your mind, and you feel like saying it, just fucking say it.

She sounds tiresome to me. You aren't risking much.

Just remember if you do, stay in your confident, friendly frame. If you get shot down, smile, say cheers and walk.

Find someone with more interest.

Good luck.

I say go for it!!

However don't use words and phrases like "maybe" and "if you want". Sound in control and not willing to play games! Your time and effort is too valuable!

If she says no, don't get all butthurt on her! Say that's no problem and I appreciate your honesty! Then freeze out hard! She will wonder where you went and if someone else caught your eye to make you suddenly lose all interest!

I've done this a few times! It used to be high risk but in the last few years I have seen a big improvement.