If you asked me a year ago I would've told you "a dead lead is a dead lead so just let it go". But then I got a smartphone and it's really easy to keep track of everything, so once a month I would bulk-text every dead lead, I thought what have I got to lose?

And guess what, I ended up F-closing a lot of those dead leads, and I mean EASY F-closes on leads that had been dead for months.

Then I wanted to figure out why they blew me off, but then out of nowhere they became interested again, so I just asked them. Reason, timing. Catch these dead leads at a time when they are looking for fresh meat anyway, and boom you're the fresh meat.

One chick I text once a month for about 8 months with next to no response, and then one day BANG she's up for it, straight to her place for an easy F-close. Another chick, lead stone cold dead for about 3 months, standard monthly dead lead text, boom instant reply, was at her place 30mins later, F-closed within minutes. And they weren't the only ones.

Moral of the story, don't give up on dead leads.

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What was the content of the message you sent out?

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cool post vic, the new android phones also have this option where you can create folders to organize your numbers into (works well for seperating friends from girls, from time wasters), you can mass text folders to manage your contacts, if you haven't checked out androids yet (htc sensation), they are fucking amazing

Haha HTC sensation that is exactly what I got

Content of the message, general hello, but always include a meet element

something like

"Hey stranger how ya been, got a bit of free time in the next few days wanna help me fill it"

Straight to the point, no bullshit

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Everytime I'm tempted to clear the numbers out of my phone, I think of this and leave them in.

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Well, I have an S3 and just saw that I have the same option. The problem is that there are some contacts I can't find when I try to add people to groups.. Any idea how to make them show up?

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Any luck with chicks you # closed from pof/okc and texted a bit but never met? How well do you know these leads? It seems like if you just met them at a bar and # closed them that they wouldn't even remember you. Are they girls you banged previously before they became dead leads?

Good post,vic.

Will try with my dead leads,i will try to keep that in mind.

Basically the lead would have to AT LEAST be able to remember vaguely what you look like, and none of them I'd hooked up with before.

Most were online leads, N-closed but nothing really happened, so just chucked them in the dead lead basket, shoot a text off once a month. One was a friend of a friend, we talked about hooking up but yea same thing nothing happened, into the dead lead basket, F-closed her about 3 months later very easy F-close.

I also chuck some previously F-closed chicks in the dead lead basket and some reactivate, but in my original post I only meant non-F-closed chicks.

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You are absolutely right, I do this often as well. After all, there was some form of attraction in the first place to get the lead. It's always wise to stay in good regards with all leads, unless she was a total @$%!*

I've concluded over the years that being intimate with a woman has more to do with her present state of mind then anything else. If they are all stressed out over an ex boyfriend or still dealing with one, or just overwhelmed by anything in life, they can easily talk themselves out of any type date/or hook up. Big on that list is any insecurities the woman may be having at the time of a flake.

On the other hand catch the target at a need or want point where she's feeling sexy and in need of some attention, there's a lot of potential.

If the initial attraction was there once it can be again. It's just a matter timing and keeping yourself in their radar and being there at the right time.

Excellent post Vicpark.

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This is very true and a very good strategy. Most numbers you get will go on the back burner sooner rather than later. Usually, after getting the number and talking and/or texting, when the first meeting is set up and she cancels, then maybe cancels again, then starts ignoring 80% of your texts, you think it's a dead end. That's not always true.

To add to your theory, what I do is text them somewhere between 3 or so times per day if they are responding, to 3 or so times per week, to 3 or so times per month if they aren't responding. Sometimes it's nothing more than a funny pic about sports or current events someone has sent me. Sometimes one text turns in to a full blown conversation. I meet some initially at the club that come in from out of town, maybe an hour away. Logistically it's hard to do a date, but I text periodically b/c I know I will see them at the club again eventually. When I do I have a decent chance of getting them home. The theory is, she will spend some time with the guy she's been texting for months and already feels like she knows him reasonably well. Then it's about making a good second impression in person. That's worked for me about 5 times over the course of 2 or 3 years. But, you can't focus a lot of effort on each one if it's taking away your time to meet new girls. I always have a stable of girls I work that way. Some I text through boyfriend relationships b/c I know it won't last and they will come to me.

When you are constantly doing 10+ women like that, plus meeting new ones that don't play as hard to get, you usually won't have long lonely stretches

Like the above poster said doing this dead lead thing helps fill in gaps. I went about 4-5 months barely doing any sarging, but enough of these dead leads were coming through that I was still F-closing occassionally. Hell sometimes I'd do my monthly bulk-text and get 2 F-closes out of it.

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