Manchester here an the girls dont seem too bitchy an up there own arses to me of course theres a few espically on nights out who think there somethin special i find girls rarely ask for drinks to be bought unfortuantly iv had this maybe 5 times in my life an iv been going out for 5 years iv had more drinks bought for me than iv bought a girl but i kind of want them to ask for a drink so then the game begins

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Maybe its the attitude u project they're reacting to.

TV shows such as "Girlfriends" and other such nonsense put it into girls heads at early ages that they should expect to sit there and be able to choose the man they want from a line up.

For anyone who doesn't know what Girlfriends is: My housemates force me to watch this shit, its a program where 3 girls (they are all beautiful so already the premise for the show falls apart) have to choose from a maximum of 8 (i think) dates each from 100 guys who walk into a house, chat to them for a bit then leave. The girls tell them if they are "dateworthy" and then arrange a date. THINGS WRONG WITH THIS:

1) Why has dating become television worthy, yes we all aim on this website to become ultimate PUA's and shag as much as we like but in the words of the great Stephen Merchant "What happened to the days when men would pencil down a long romantic love letter instead of "Hey bbz u alrite? shg 2nite yh?"

2) Girls watching it automatically think that because the TV SAID SO its perfectly cool to date 8 different guys.

3) It teaches them that men will throw themselves at women if the opportunity arises.

4) APPARENTLY ITS FINE FOR WOMEN TO DATE 8 DIFFERENT MALES AT ONCE...I accidentally drunkenly kissed a girl out clubbing whilst dating a girl. She went fucking mental. Fuck television!

SIDE-NOTE: There is one thing good about the show to be fair, the girls are genuine about the guys they choose. for example one arrogant black guy came in, said he was a model and "You will def want some of this" took his top off. They were all sort of just "Urgh arrogant" and told him to leave. The next guy was an intelligent, shy but good looking chap who was a pretty interesting guy. All 3 wanted a piece of his ass.
Sure, are you english? I'm not too sure how far the LAD culture has spread throughout the world.

My statement wasn't exactly correct. There are the PUA Lads who know how to chat up women and use their LAD group in a beneficial way to increase their value and get the girls to chase.

However there are the pre-lads or amateur lads who are just loud, retarded and stupid. These lads constantly chase after women to show their other lad mates that they are worthy of being in the lad group. It kind of makes the woman to be the prize.

Just as a final statement, england seriously needs to change. We are all too quiet. I went to America for my 21st and was surprised that strangers on buses and trains were randomly talking to me about the day/events going on. It felt like a community, in england you can feel completely alone even when your surrounded by hundreds of people.

Am loving this thread by the way guys! Yes I totally agree, talking to strangers in this country is SO taboo!! Our government and fear has made us walk around with our heads down and our mouths shut!

When my friend and I went to my local pub (English, sorry) and we went into the garden and started taking to a group of three girls (genuinely I was after new shoes and couldn't decide whether lace up or slip ons were best, so I asked them what they thought). Then we were doing the best friends test and ooh nice hair, it's a shame it's extensions and she invited me to pull her hair etc. it was all good fun. THEN this oddball bloke starts saying "you're gay mate, you talk too much". I racked my brains of how to deal with this in a PUA mannar so I said "man, conversations the greatest thing ever, I love it. You should try it". I just tried to be overly friendly with him. Wasn't sure how to handle it.

It just proves that talking to strangers is to alien!!

Game works here but there is some necessary cultural nuances that dictate what works well. E.g. street cold approaches are way more difficult in the UK because of the attitude to strangers and personal space.

If girls are more bitchy in the UK (I haven't gamed anywhere other than the UK so don't know otherwise), then that's not necessarily a bad thing because it forces you to learn to plough through those bitch shields, because it's the only option you have. Which is probably one of the hardest, most nerve racking, and emotionally tormenting aspects to cold approach when you first begin to experience it.

And think of it this way. If you plough through a group of girls bitch shields, they are going to think you are the fucking man after, and be intrigued as to who this icy motherfucker is who was indifferent to their bratty behavior.

Guys who don't have lots of experiences of dealing with bitch shields are not going to get as far in this game as those who have experienced insane levels of bitchiness.

Game, works everywhere in my experience.

Depends on what you define as game. I see it as a way to better yourself and become a real catch. Whether you do this by the MM or by becoming natural or whatever doesnt matter. Good quality mates will always be welcome anywhere.

My own game is based on converting all my suckyness into awesomeness. Honestly, it is kinda like that.

Whatever differences in culture or social rules, it is not set in stone. Everything changes and it changes according to who is around.

Lets say you go into a bar in France, they are gonna speak french and you are gonna feel out of place because the rules are different from what normally works for you. Now lets say Johnny Depp walks in, do you seriously think anyone is gonna keep speaking french? No, they are all gonna do whatever it takes to get close to him and change the social rules according to how to become the best friend of Mr. Depp.

See, if you are awesome enough, therules will change to make room for you. So make sure that whenever you enter a set or a venue, you play by your rules. People are gonna notice and if you are strong enough, they are gonna accept it. Its frame wars elite version.

So, the game will work if you are the one that people wanna be around.

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Codders, i am also from the south east - Southend on Sea

It is true that the women in the UK do have more of a 'stuck up their own arse' approach. However, i find the further north you go up the Country the more laid back the girls seem to be. Barnsley, for example, was a right laugh because as soon as you spoke to them they asked where you were from, and Essex being a well known county for 'Essex Lads' it showed we were instantly up for fun

Having to then travelled to America for Spring Break i can safely say the American girls are 1million times better than any English girls i have ever met. They are so much more fun, and everybody wants to talk! You would never get that in England

Best place in England for gaming would be out clubbing, but again anything will work as long as you have the confidence.

If anybody in the South East area is looking for a Wing Man, be sure to contact me

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Yeah, such a shame girls are like this down here. I visited Scotland once and people seemed to be a lot friendlier!! Would love to visit America and see what it's like out there now I am old enough to appreciate it! Love this forum, love the advice!! Everyone on here seems to be a genuinely decent person!!

The problem with a lot of Mysyery Method guys is that you really do talk too much, it makes you look like a clown. You act non-sexual around girls you like and hide ypur interest, you talk a lot, you're high energy, you do stuff like the "best friends test", you try hard to entertain the girls rather than genuinely get to know them, there's no wonder people think you're gay. As stevejabba said at first "game" doesn't really work. It's really all about becoming a more attractive guy, finding girls who like you, seeing if you like them (genuinely get to know them rather than spitting out routines) being sexual around those girls and escalating. My advice would be tp drop the Mystery Method stuff completely and just be real. Be direct.

Also as for girls asking you to buy drinks for them, I'm from UK and I've never had that. Most girls I've met insist on splitting everything 50/50. If they're asking you "buy me a drink" then they're just looking to use you for free drinks. They don't respect you, probably thanks to the things I said above.

I'm also from the South East and it's definitely true that the girls (down here at least) can be a tad... difficult. (Just go to Newcastle, it's like fishing with dynamite). Depends if your going for the Uni crowd or the posher places as well.


My solution has been the smoking areas of clubs and bars. Every girl goes out there away from her mates, outside of the bar and they switch off their 'I'm all that infront of my friends' behaviours like trying to get drinks or mental ASD's etc.


And on the note of routines etc, some of us still need the training wheels of them still.

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Maybe use some normal routines to keep the conversation going, rather than stuff like the best friends test. Women just find that stuff weird. It's not really about what you say so much in night game, it's a lot to do with subcommuncation, sexual vibe, body language, fast escalation.

good post. I used to live in New York and now live in London.
I'd agree english girls are generally not as easy to game. A lot of them are quite stuck up, stiffer up lip I guess and less down to joke around. A lot also seem quite close minded and fixed on the type of guy they want. However usually in a club or bar, there are enough fun chicks to talk to. All about identifying which ones are more open minded.

Of course game works in the UK! I'm from Scotland and and sarge with a group of pua's in Glasgow. There is definitely a lot of bitch shields around the uk women. What works in the uk is cocky/funny alpha style game, routines will just make you look like a weirdo. Some of things Mystery says in his openers and routines would never work in the uk. People over here would just never come out with something like that so adapt.

There are so many needy assholes in the uk that if you come across as a socially comfortable alpha male and pass all shits tests the women will be begging to fuck to you imo... and once you have disarmed the bitch shields most UK (English anyway ) are total sluts! And only two willing to fuck you that night!

Hi guys! Thanks for the advice!! Can any of you give some top tips for breaking through these bitch shields or possibly a link to a thread if this subject has been covered intensely before?

Thanks guys x