Hey guys,

I need help/advice on how to take it forward with this girl.

Met this girl in class, HB8 - model. Polish. Really sexy so kinda intimated and nervous.
She lives 1 hr 30 mins away from college and commutes to the city. she works 3 days - no fixed time. She gets a call a day before the shoot.

Story - Saw her in class. Sat next to her 3rd class onwards and introduced myself , what major blah blah
So we usually sit together. The problem is I only get 2 mins to talk to her before class and 1 min after because her friend is always waiting outside for her. still i manage to start something.
The class meets on Monday and Wednesday. We generally end up talking how the weekend was.

-- I try to ask what she likes/dislikes so i can ask her out to come check this new place with me. (Learnt through this forum and The Game)
Tried it a couple of times with different things
1. Asked did u see the game last night ? Answer - No. I only watch tennis
2. I went to this amazing sushi place with my friends. have been to x. Reply - I dont eat rice
3. Pizza - Reply i don't eat bread
4. Went to my fav place (Name) Do you like wine? they have an amazing collection. Reply - I don't drink.

Like i structure a story around it. and she gives me a reply with an explanation why she doesn't do x. Open ended answers

-- After a few classes she asked me to add her on facebook.
Started a conversation in chat - if she wanted to review for the midterm blah blah.
I WROTE MY NUMBER, TOLD HER TO TEXT ME SO THAT WE CAN DECIDE ON A TIME TO STUDY.
She likes soccer. So i also mentioned that there is a match 1 week from now on saturday and i got 2 tickets for it. got them from my dad's client. She said sounds like fun but i'm not sure how my work schedule is going to be like. I can let you know a day before if that's possible.

day of the midterm (Wednesday)- I walked in late. Left before her. Just said hi.

She messaged me in the evening on fb - asking how my exam was? Started a conversation from there. Back and forth around 25-30 messages
I said - sorry for replying late. Fb from my phone is kinda slow so need to refresh
Reply - No worries. I forgot to text you earlier. here's my number xxx . This way it would be easier to talk for both of us. lol

Friday
Messaged her and went back and forth. It wasn't going anywhere. She was with a friend whose bf broke up with her. I Replied after an hour saying - Sorry phone was away was in class. Hope she is fine. You take care of her. I ttyl
Reply - Thank you. I'll do that

Q - How do i take it from here? I don't to be cocky because I am assuming every other guy must be hitting on her. I have given her hints that I want to take her out. The problem is i'm over thinking a lot about it and always it leads to nothing.
And the reason is - past 2 months - Screwed up with 3 HB

- Sorry for the long message.

Thanks in advance,
mke

From the experiece I had over time, texting should be a tool to "follow up" for the Seduction phase (you know when you start sending those lousy sms like - I miss you, wish you were here, etc). In the first two phases just keep it for simple communications like you arrive at same venue and ask her : "Where are you?" or "Lets meet". Ah, and never give out your number through chat, I know very well that they will never text you like that (its like your throwing out an anchor to her so that you dont slip afar - wussy like)

Any complicated over-thought conversations online or through sms are not really gonna make things better. Get her to meet you asap, and dont ask her, tell her.
"I got 2 tickets for X, I want you to join me". Its sort of the common theory most PUA teach of "expect" she will say yes or that she likes you.

YES, normally many guys are hitting on her. Just show her the difference by being cocky/funny and witty. Dont complement her on looks, never, its still too early.
From what I understood she is somewhat into you. Else she wouldnt give you her number and exchange some texts. NOW that you arrived here, what I would do (doesnt mean its the best thing though), I would stop texting her at least for a day or 2. So you wash away any impressions she might have about your neediness.
Two, get out and hit on more and more girls more often. Get more numbers. I sometimes end up texting 3/4 girls at a time. THIS way, you will automatically stop replying INSTANTLY to the girls as you are busy with more than 1 at a time.
You do not overthink, you give her an impression that you dont need her and that becomes a challenge to her - she sould start annoying you very soon if you do it right. Like - "I think you have valid reasons of not answering my messages" etc.
Only make sure that you ask her out, well actually "TELL" her out, in a very playful way. Be creative, be different.

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Thanks Kris. Appreciate it.

So for example - I'll talk to her in class and tell her all about this place how i accidentally went (story).... there is this really awesome French bakery on x road ..... . and then text her -- You remember i was telling you about this place in class. I want to try out some other stuff too. Lets go this thursday.

The problem with the Pickup Artists is that they
do what is called indirect game. You said that you
tried to find out what she likes by asking her in
an indirect manner. A much simpler and more
effective method would have been to just ask
her straight out what she likes. Then you
would have gotten a definitive answer.

She was trying to establish contact with you
through FaceBook. You should have definitely
have gotten her number, rather then giving her
yours. That puts all the power into her hands.

The way to salvage this relationship is by
asserting yourself, and being the leader. You
must be able to effectively communicate these
feelings to this woman. Tell her that you think
it really sucks that you can only see her two
days out of the week.

thanks don!

Follow up:
So I saw her in class spoke the usual. She has an extremely busy schedule.
Texted her something random and then picked up from there for a good 15-20 messages. However she didn't get back to the last one I sent.

I logged into facebook and was going through her profile to see what she likes so probably could use for a good conversation starter.
However, saw that there are number of guys posting on her wall trying to hang out. Like we should meet before class, or go through the lines for the play etc.

-- I don't want to be needy like those other guys. She is not the sexiest girl I've been with but its just that I don't have any one better than her SPAM. How do I convey it to her that I want to take her out? She gives IOI's - strong one's. for example - touching in class. trying to talk during the lecture. wait for me (twice). If i tell her directly like - Let's meet tomorrow after you finish school or something or I know this French bakery we should try it out. Would she categorize me as those "needy" guys hitting on her?

Probably she is playing a cat and string on me.

Thanks in advance.

university/college girls are tricky. they are super flaky and fickle (being aged 19-23). Your best bet now since you are in her good books, is to really escalate kino - in response to her touches. break that barrier.

also, always seem busy. word of caution is don't fall into the "guy who will teach me before the exam" or "notes buddy". that is the worst. Girls in university tend to seek out guys who would provide them an easy path in the class.

also stand back and notice how other guys fail on their approach to her and how she responds to them. this observation would allow you to gauge how she react to things.

as to asking her out, make sure you do it face to face, confident and brush it off if she rejects. from the looks of it, through your Q&A she seems to dislike alot of things - this could be an IOD, as she wants to throw you off. also, look at her facebook friends - the guys. what sort of guys are in her lists? - this is a subconscious analysis of the kind of people she is drawn towards, visually.

honestly, in university, #close is easy, its when you start escalating kino it gets alittle messier. I am still learning. my advice : escalate kino (to break the touch barrier - to avoid awkwardness AND make sure you are not acting creepy while doing it. just tap her shoulder when you see her in class, or graze her back as a "hi - haven't seen you in awhile". nudge her in class to point out stuff. these little touches is essentially kino that would arouse her.

thanks for the response.

I rely on her for exam notes. She makes sure to write down everything the prof says. So i'm not the - to go notes guy for her.

Looking at her facebook every guy is super sweet to her so i make it a point not be very sweet to her. Its like she uploads one picture and there are 50 likes within 2 hours and guys commenting how beautiful she is.

I guess I need to build more rapport with her so that she becomes curious to talk to me. Probably leave an interesting story unfinished after class or something. If i bluntly just ask like other the guys she will easily brush it off by saying that she is busy or will let me know.

Need to give some thinking to it