So after talking with this girl in college, We hung out the next day after class during our break for about an hour and half. I just got to know her, made her laugh and what not. We started getting into talking about exercising and she was like "omg you can be my workout buddy, I need to get back in shape", I was like "i duno I go pretty hard, i dont think you could keep up:P" but yeah after that I dropped her off to class and she said "what u doing after, are you gonna study?!?", im like "i duno prolly just text me", she went to her class. And then an hour after, I just texted her saying "wuddup im done with ur notez, and dont send me no message off ur crap iphone, download kik" cuz I dont get messages from iphones for some reason. But yeah, i duno if her text went thru or not. But havent heard from her today.


I dont wanna get friend zoned, I need to start being a challenge and hitting on her. I duno can u guys give me some tips on how to start up with that

Honestly it almost physically hurt me to read that text...
Even I wouldn't respond to it

You should be doing one thing with her number, and that's getting a date; If you use it for long and meaningful conversations you're now her text buddy
I never let a woman call me buddy - anytime they do I nip it in the bud, "hey who said we're friends?" (which they usually respond "I did)
If you don't want to be stuck in the friend zone (I would say you're at the gate to it ready to walk in) then escalate, and escalate more, but while escalating do it slowly if you're already in the friend zone it'll be awkward if you rush things

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hey Mack,

I am facing the exact problem. However from experience ( current situation ), you have to act fast and state that you are interested.

1) find out if she is single ( MOST IMPORTANT )
through the conversation way... "your boyfriend wouldn't mind you going to the gym with me?"

2) if no boyfriend, run your game
2) if she has a boyfriend ( situation i am in )
then it gets tough. either to be a gentleman and back off or sweep her off her feet. but sometimes they might want you as a back up guy or treat you between a friend and a 2nd boyfriend. or she might just use you for notes, rides, food, and alot of freebies..............then you feel she's running a game instead.....

However, if you want to be a true player or have no care if she has a boyfriend or not, just follow the steps of kino escalation to kiss close. Since she wants to work out with you, its easy kino escalation....

When you said physically hurt you to read that text, the thing is before we went our opposite ways, she was telling me she had texted me but I told her I didn't get it, and we talked a lil about how she should just download the app on her phone. But thanks I will try that, I need more advice though on how to initiate it cause its only been one day since I hung out with her and I'm trippin thinking I fucked it

hey man thanks, I know I'm not gonna bring up anything about this text when I see her on Monday at school, I'm just gonna be a little nonchalent though. But I don't wanna act too interested and give her the power, you know what i mean?

I'll just guess "initiate it" means ask for a date
There's too many ways to do it, so I'll go for two extremes and you screw with em all you like
#1 - "drinks, later?"
#2 - "hey I'm going to the park today around 3pm if you're coming bring your fun side (youll have to dig deep for it I'm sure)"

#1 is no bs approach very direct and it's a yes or no question format
#2 is a time specific flirty text, which shows no neediness because your going somewhere and it doesn't matter if she shows up but your inviting her anyways

And your right for not bringing up the text, she's probly already forgot about it and wouldn't remember if you told her.
But also with the date texts, it relies a lot on rapport you already have with her, if your a "friend" she'll be more likely to say no

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thanks man, I will try that. I was also thinking about asking her if she would wanna have drinks at her place after our midterm, and watch a movie. But before I did that I wanted to build enough comfort, now do I start saying things like "Ohh nice clothes, interior designers got a unique sense of style, too bad ur not my type thou"

I honestly think texting for date will get you no-where. Just either call her or meet her somewhere, then ask.

By doing that, you demonstrate confidence and is instantly a DHV. Again, the knowledge of her being single is vital - especially in school setting like this. All the HB8 and above seems to always be taken.

Sometimes I find girls too have their own game. By flirting, they instantly attract us and us asking them out is their DHV. I guess that is why negs and the notion of letting them chase you instead is whats driven in this forum and the teachings...

Again, just go with your gut but don't mess with the texting, its not worth it.

I would usually agree with calling, but texting works a lot better if you're in college.

Sadly, calling a girl you JUST met in college WILL come off as needy. It's just how the times are these days.

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friend zone doesn't exist, there are girls who are interested in sex, and girls who are not interested in sex

guys who can't escalate are the only ones who can be ''friend zoned'', learn to lead and escalate and you will not have this problem anymore
try to have sex with her, create a situation conducive to this possibly happening, and do your best to make it happen

So she clearly demonstrated interest and you acted aloof and disinterested...way to go. Seriously, you've been reading too much crap on this board. When she asked what you were up to your response should have been "Have some stuff to tend to but later on you should come join me for a drink at this really cool place I go to to unwind".

What he said.


Another thing about the so-called friendzone. If the girl is attracted to you, even if you don't escalate for a while, you can always turn it around later on (although it'll be harder as it'll feel more unnatural for you to do with her at that point).

The input and suggestions are awesome, but I just crept her instagram and found out shes been engaged for the past 2 months. I duno how to act now since I know. She didn't bring it up at all, nor did I ask about her "love life". The dudes in her city back home im guessing, and she lives on the residence at my college. Do you guys think she wants to get down n' dirty before she goes back home to her future husband?

I'm thinking I just play it cool and smooth now. Just get to know her more, dhv stories, keep her smiling, when I hang out with her and study. Then throw in the idea of grabbing some drinks at the HUB at the college on a friday night, and somehow getting to her place on campus to watch a scary flick.... WINTER MONTHS+COLD LONELY NIGHTS+LIVING ALONE+NOT IN HER CITY SO SHE WON'T FEEL LIKE SHES REALLY CHEATING RIGHT? = CUDDLING AND HARDCORE SEX ALL NIGHT?!?!

Seriously, What do you guys think I should do now since I found out about that? And if she brings it up, then what?

Remember, you are not the one in a relationship, she is. Invite her to join you from drinks or anything, and whatever happens happens. What if she never brings the boyfriend up and doesnt say a word about it since he is not in town?
anyways thats my oppinion. have fun

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