I was at a garden centre today getting flowers for my Mums birthday, flower girl was really hot, probably HB9. I went and and did my usual thing in stores: I'll elaborate since this usually gets good responses. I walk in very confidently and just behave very outgoing, friendly and playful. So I say something like "hey do you know anywhere that sells flowers?" If they're good at their job they'll probably try and sell stuff to you but with this attitude it's really easy to just take the piss a bit and say things like "haha, no way, that's far too expensive, I'm not a millionaire I just dress really nicely".

From this approach I've had several times when girls have told me "you've literally made my day" and "I'm so glad you came in here today" they love it because most people are so damn boring! So I think it works well but I still need to test more by trying to number close (a bit of a sticking point for me).

Just before leaving I thought, fuck it, might as well try and number close since I won't see her again. I pulled out my phone as if it was already going to happen and said "one more thing, put your number in here, you're kind of cute and I'd like to get to know you better." (AFC or not?)

She said "ah sorry... I've got a boyfriend of 4 years". I said, "ah ok no worries, see ya later". I wasn't particularly bothered but it did get me thinking... What would have been a better thing to do there, I think she genuinely did have a boyfriend and wasn't willing to cheat on him (perhaps thats an AFC thought).

Would there have been any value in just trying to make friends with her, I had already DHVed, and she was hot so would have hot friends to introduce me to, or she might break up with her bf in the future.

Any comments welcome.

Cheers.

Synergy.

When the girl says she has a boyfriend you will not care!
You DHV'd that's good, she sees you as a cocky and funny guy.
So it would go like this:

Hb9: i have a boyfriend
You: ah well i have a goldfish, two cats and a dog so that's no problem! "haha"

When i do it like that it works 9out of10 times!

EB

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the frame and mindset as well as your understanding of the situation define if this was afc or not, the purpose for doing XYZ is more important then XYZ it's self, it's not what you do, it's how you do it, and the way you do it will be based on your understanding and why you are doing it that way
so, this is communication right here, you communicate to her, ''I am attracted to you, I want to see you again''

so she communicates back, ''Oh sorry I have a boyfriend of 4 years''

so now, in this situation, you have to descide, what is my ideal situation, what do I want, do you care she has a boyfriend?, if not, dis-qualify it as a problem for you, and get to the point more, so she either has to be more specific and state dis-interest, or she complies and you can attempt to further move things forward

if you want a single girl, brilliant, you just moved the interaction forward to the point where you found out she is not your type, you can now continue your search for a single girl

now, if you just want to lay her and having a boyfriend is not an issue for you, then dis-qualify the issue and communicate this

''I don't care you have a boyfriend, we don't have to tell anyone anything''
''want another one?''
''I don't want to be your boyfriend, just want to see you again''

or a million other ''boyfriend destroyers'' that are listed on this forum that dis-qualify this issue through the frame

be more honest, if a girl has a boyfriend, she has a boyfriend, there is no ''way'' or ''game'' to change concreate fact, and if ''I HAVE A BOYFRIEND'' is her means to project dis-interest and she is just trying to save your ego, what you do is fairly irrelivant, there is obviously no sexual attraction there and it is very hard to change someones opinion of you once it has been made, even if you find a way around this, if she is dis-interested she will find another way to show her dis-interest, whether that be overtly stating dis-interest and getting to the point, or giving you a flaky phone number

just get over the idea that you have to be perfect and not get rejected, most of the attractive girls in the world will be sexually unavailable to you and it has nothing to do with your game or how attractive you are, they just have men in their lives already and are not interested in new ones, no matter how good looking, no matter how good your game, no matter how rich, doesn't matter, simply unavailable, it's like if you had a HB8 gf and you loved her, and a HB9 approached you that you didn't know and asked you on a date, some guys would cheat and go on that date, but if they are happy in the relationship, a lot of guys would turn her down at all avenues even though 1) she is attractive enough to sleep with, 2) she is leading and has a ''game'' (lets assume she is even cool and funny, does this really effect you being involved with someone else?), same goes for women, and the vast majority of attractive adult women are sexually involved, some will cheat, some will not, some will be attracted to you, some will not

go more after what you want, and think less about how to impress the girls you are talking to, and expect to fail most of the time, but the more you go for it, the more you will succeed, and every time you succeed, all the failure up until the point will mean jack fuck all to you, eventually you will have a really tight game because you will know exactly what you are doing and how you like to do it, it will be clear as day to you what is going on and why it is going on, but you have to start going for it and pushing passed what you are comfortable with, take it too far if anything to find out what too far is

Thanks very much for the responses. I like those funny replies and I think I get what you mean, to be fair I'm pretty comfortable with the fact a girl has a boyfriend as long as I don't know him. I think next time I'll have one of those replies at least ready for the boyfriend response (since its so common) then just stay in set for as long as possible (push the boundaries of the interaction) and see what happens.

I think you're right Pumpington [absolutely cannot take that name seriously haha] in these situations it's about finding what you want and then not caring about the rejection. I was probably on the side towards seeking validation in that set, not the right way to go. Far better to be fine with rejection and just go for what you want.

Cheers.

Synergy.