I don't like complimenting a girl and then hearing disinterest. I hate this because this is a one up. She now looks at you as if you are less and as if she is better. Then if you would have just behaved differently she would have thought of you in a different way, but now that you complimented her and showed interest she looks down on you and now she puts you in a corner you really can't rise from.

1.) How could you approach and attract a girl without ever taking the risk of showing interest? Or least her interest is obviously clear?

2.) How do you get out of that no man's land when you showed interest and she was not attracted yet?

I don't even want to be nice to a girl if she's not going to be nice.

I want to approach with no risk of rejection. Its not a fear of rejection, its a distaste for rejection. And don't tell me thats impossible, just like some martial arts focus on aggressiveness and others on defensive ness. The pick up arts should have a more aggressive and a more defensive approach.

If you are high value compliments are a great tool but if you are still insecure when you deliver the compliment the woman will feel above you based on your body language. You place yourself below her with your body language so of course she is going to agree. A compliments power is in the delivery and the why, you don't tell a girl she has great hair, tell her why you think her hair is great without being some generic ass it better be genuine and thoughtful. You must carry yourself with a lot of confidence if you want to lead with a compliment, it also must be a very good compliment. Most people have no clue how to give a good compliment which is the real problem.

Rejectionless game is all about being the most attractive interesting high value person in the area. People tend to seek your approval and tend to want to know who you are. People look for opportunities to join conversations with you. If you gain a certain aura people will begin to approach you, I had the lead artist at a concert approach me 3 times to chat Friday night. I wasn't some guy rolling big, I just had that aura. This takes a lot of confidence and great body language but you just gain that "it" at a certain point.

A magnetic like personality is key as it catches a lot of attention. It should be come regular talk to strangers guys and girls, it's not about pick up its that you tend to just talk to everyone and when the girl shows interest you respond to her interest. Rejectionless game really requires you being "The Man" and everyone seeking you out, it takes a lot of work to get to that point if you don't have a lot of the pieces in play already.

It's hard to explain but I practice this style of effortless rejectionless game, it took a lot of work to make it all easy. Basically you look to be the most attractive person in the area, then pick up on the signs sent out in the area, then warm approaches galore. You also just kind of learn to float in and out of conversations with people(men and women) with ease. So you aren't hitting on women you are just a guy that interacts with everyone, when they show interest you learn to respond properly.

As for your second question just like poker, courtship is completely situational, what is right in one situation isn't always right for another there is no skeleton key for when you showed interest and she wasn't attracted yet. It's fine to show attraction to a girl, it's not fine to show more interest then her. Attractive girls are a dime a dozen, interesting attractive girls are different. It's your job to make her realize she hasn't qualified yet.

If you just want to go the route of showing extreme interest to recover you can go with Cieran's Shock and Awe a great way to just kind of jump start things. Very good tactic, I use to use it back in the day and didn't even know it was technique.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Can you give an example of the sorts of compliments you are giving girls?
If there is a way to do it, it's not worth learning. Picking up hot chicks is basically you saying you like her, and her saying she likes you. And it is almost always you saying you like her first, which then allows her the comfort to express her interest for you. It's called the go first principal, and it's the fastest was to both a woman's heart, and her pants, depending on what you are saying and what you both want .
Be persistent and unaffected. Remember if she is still in front of you, then she wants you to say/do the right thing to make her attracted. But I really need to know what you are saying in your compliments. Give me a few examples of what you would say to a woman.
As we've spoken before I know you won't like this, but if you can't handle the truth I'm sure you'll be able to find someone who will sell you a lie.

It is impossible to never get rejected. You can never predict who she is, her preferences, how her day has been, if she's ill, what her last boyfriend looked like, if it's that time of the month, etc. The sooner you realize that you cannot get ever girl you are attracted to, the sooner you will be happier. And also, the sooner you'll get lots of hot girls

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Thank you for your comment, but two things. Number 1 you can make protecting yourself, sucha s reputation a focus. Number 2, you seem like you accept reality too much and dont think about creating new realities.

Oh yeah good point Paul_T

Note: Practicing this style of game means you take what comes to you, this means you may end up with just 6s and 7s if you aren't attractive to a lot of folks in the area. I still approach a girl I want to talk to, this shouldn't change for you. You will get rejected because as a confident man who goes after everything you want you understand that you may not be a girls ideal man and it isn't personal so what if you miss one.

The more confident and high value you are the less you get rejected because you float in under the radar with pressureless attraction building conversation where you just flirt and build normal attraction. If she isn't attracted to you and you read her body language of lack of interest and move on. You know without a cold hard rejection her lack of interest because you read her body language. Reading body language can eliminate a lot of guess work when it comes to where you are and or what you should be doing, if she's losing interest you must re-gain it (recognizing and adapting is a skill) or move on.

As a man who is actively seeking out women you should realize sometimes you can't get what you want without a little rejection on the way. The road to success goes through failure. Rejection is necessary.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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this is an interesting mindframe to come from and shows a lack of confidence, not nessicarily a reflection of self esteem, why do you base your own self worth on the opinions of others, why is there a reaction here?

you may want to meditate on this idea for a while and become more aware of your self

also, this behave differently and she would behave in a different way thing, is not nessicarily so, you will find usually things end up in the same place, this is all just ego protection because you are not able to detach yourself yet from the outcome, you are not able to manipulate every social situation and the majority of your interactions will have results that are outside of your control, you have to just tame your ego so that you can be ok with negative feedback, not everyone will like you, but that is ok, if you like you and you know yourself, then the opinion of others should cause you no reaction to who you are, you are still you, you would be wise to be aware of social feedback but do not base your self esteem on it

hiding your intentions is a great way to not get laid as often, not get to the bottom of things, and waste a whole lot of your time and energy

a girl being polite and giving you a good reaction, then not sleeping with you after you invest in her, gives you the same result as a girl giving you a bad reaction in the first 1-2 minutes

the difference is with the first one there will be more of a tendancy for you to develope an emotional investment in the girl and value her more for your emotional input and time, this leads to more cases of oneitis and more focus on specific girls when you could be out hunting for better girls that meet your standards instead of trying to ''fix'' and manipulate old girls that do not meet your standards so that you do not have to face the emotional stress that cold approaching takes

but obviously there are several ways you can show her your intentions, you do not have to just walk up and state you are physically attracted, but you have to some how some way demonstrate and make it clear to her what your intentions are, if the intentions are not clear to her, she will not have a justification to want to see you or sleep with you for that matter
be normal and be ok with her not sleeping with you, not every girl will be attracted to you, you have to let go of this idea that every girl can be gotten with the right game plan, it is not so, you seem to really value the mystery method, but lets put this in perspective for yoy, mystery wrote a post detailing that out of about 20,000 approaches, he found success to a full close with about 200-400 women, but mystery also made quite a repuation for himself by being able to go 5/5 on makeouts, this pipe dream of no rejection is a nice high standard to shoot for, but it is unrealistic, it is like telling a hot girl that she can fuck any guy in the world no problems, even though a lot of guys will be unvailable for her (have girlfriends/wives, be into fat girls, have other options they are more invested in, be gay, not emotionally available for dating in their lives at that time), it's just a pipe dream and girls are even more picky about their suitors then guys


if you value her as a person you can have a good friendship, move on with your life, meet new women, improve yourself and maybe one day she will realize you have improved and lead a great life and she made a mistake

you certainly don't have to allow people dis-respecting you, but there is no reason to dis-respect others or be resentful of women in general for the way you have been treated in the past by specific women, just don't allow people to treat you in a way that doesn't suite your standards, and if they won't meet your standards, walk away, it isn't worth your time or effort to try to change someone who is not open to the idea

new women are not old women, you have to let go of the past, every new girl you meet is a new opportunity to make a new connection with another human being, value it for what it is

yes you can make this your focus, but trying to save your ego will only hurt you in the long run and restrict the amount of social freedom you truly have, limiting yourself with fear will only hamper you, you have to figure out how to dissolve the fear so that the emotional stress does not exist to such a great extent, and the reactions cease to happen, this takes more and more pushing your limits to what actually effects you, this is where changing your perseption of things can be useful
the same can be said for you, the stronger frame absorbs the weaker frame, but just because your persception is known, does not make it so, and being open to change yourself and the way you see things, can drastically improve your external results

there is being confident and persistant with your beliefs and sense of self, and then there is being delusional

for example, high sense of self worth and entitlement does not equal high skill level, even if the person believes it so

A fat bald guy with schizophrenia in a mental ward who truly believes he is leading the NHL and his name is alexander ovechkin, may percieve that this is so with utter confidence and full belief to the extent that no one can dispute him on this ''fact'' that he has generated under his frame, but just because his frame is strong enough to socially dominate and dictate this ideal to others with emotional congruence, does not make him alexander ovechkin

Really? that's not winning....

Guys, there's too much personal opinion in this post and not enough strategy. Also, I don't hear much ambition.

consider this, you meet a girl and impress her with your social skills, she finds you emotionally attractive due to good social skills, but physically speaking she is shallow and has better options physically then you at the moment and physical attraction is what she values

now you beat around the bush until it is clear that she trusts you, at that point you finally show some intent because you think it is safe to do so, little do you realize you were friendzoned 30 seconds into meeting her due to not meeting a standard she posses (not saying it always has to be physical attraction, there are tons of standards a girl can have besides this, this is why the theory for not ''qualifying'' yourself exists)

now what are your options here?

1) get needy for her, increase how repulsive you are in her eyes by not remaining indifferent to her and decrease the chances that she even wants to be around you as a source of emotional stimulation for a friendship, when you could have her as a female friend and meet her friends to network and have more female options as well as access to possible social events that she is invited to, chase her for an extended amount of time when physically she is not interested in a sexual relationship with you reguardless of what you do, and waste your time focusing on her, resulting in no sex and eventually no friendship leading to a butthurt mysoginistic view of women in general for the ''one that treated you poorly when you poured your heart out to her, she shit on you'' etc. etc.

2) move on, be ok with not sleeping with her, stay indifferent to girls in general until they demonstrate that they live up to your standards and have met 50 new girls by the time she has even sees you again after you being ''rejected'' and be sleeping with two of those 50 within the weeks end

now who exactly between these two options is the guy that is ''winning''?

the one who is getting laid and doesn't care about external validation and is non needy?, or the one who has oneitis and doesn't want to face his AA because he sees investing time into a time waster as less investment then just making a few new approaches

I see your realism and I do also realize the value of compromise, but you also don't want to leave any stone uncovered and maybe there is a way to fix that situation.

For instance, we take that girl that is shallow and we work here over. What does that mean? lol...you give her an emotional dilemma. Maybe she has the fear of being cheated on or maybe she was cheated on and you used that fear...you hit on that fear with a sledge hammer and you make her insecure about beign shallow. Or maybe she is insecure about her intelligence, so you know what you tell her she's brilliant everyday in fact give her the moniker "Brilliant Bombshell." Then she likes you so much that she begins to need you and then you know what you say well "I can't be friends with you. I can only be in your life if I'm your boyfriend." Similar you find out there is osmething she really wants and then you give it to her, but on the condition of being bf. That's all that I have to say about this...

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you are projecting, this is something I doubt you have experienced but rather have read and formed a limiting belief based upon without the proper context,

being rejected in the past has lead to me getting laid, however under the context of social proof trying to game a girl beside a girl that just rejected you and is within the same social circle lowers your social value in that moment, under the context that you are just pussy hunting and have no standards, almost no girl wants to be that girl that hooks up with that guy that will just fuck anything he can get his hands on, neediness is not attractive, how ever being a sweet guy who just ''isn't her type'' can lead to her pawing you off on friends and playing match maker if she truly values you as a person
actually, if you have a lot of confidence, rejection will not effect you at all, when you sense of self is solid, the opinion of others has very little to do with your self esteem, since your self esteem is routed in your own self belief rather then the approval of others

having a low amount of self confidence will leave you lacking a solid sense of self, and being rejected under these circumstances will lower your self esteem, because you base your self worth on the approval of others to validate your ego by how you percieve others pervieve you

this is at the core of reactive vs non reactivity, core confidence is developed through experience and gaining reference points to develop your sense of self, if you have a low sense of self and are lacking self confidence you will have to endure a pain period to tame your ego, this is the toughest part is letting go of approval and pushing your comfort zone until you have so many reference points of being treated poorly and highly, that you no longer base your self worth on the opinions of others, there really is no other way around this, you have to internally change your belief system

the point is not the kill your ego, but to take control of it and realize you are not what you think you are, or what others tell you, you are, you are you, nothing more, nothing less

you can improve yourself, but you are who you are, the negative things people say, or the positive things people say, do not change this, just because you think you are amazing or think you are shit doesn't make it so, you are you, you have to tame this fucker so that he isn't keeping you in reaction to others, find who you truly are so you can trust yourself

but you are seeing this from an interesting angle, you want to not lose at all costs, rather then to win at all costs, this is all routed in prospect theory, you have to break free of social conditioning and release yourself from these limitations, if you are the most certain of yourself in a group of people, they will eventually fall under your frame, your repuation is what you make it, not what others make it out to be, this is a weak persception of your own reality, you must know who you are and be absolutely certain without a doubt of who that is, de-tached from ego, without reaction to others

you potentially have a chance with every woman you approach, the thing is though women are not robots, they are not all universally the same, they all subjectively value something different from the next, not every girl wants a dominant man, not every girl wants a social leader, not every girl wants to chase a guy, and not every girl will respond to the same ''tactics and tricks'' in the same way, not every girl is even available sexually, everyone has different personalities, and no matter what ''method'' you use, your true personality will always end up shining through, no matter how well you play the part of some other perfect guy, there will be girls that are not attracted to that guy, and girls that will be attracted to that guy

I am not trying to attack you here, just giving you another angle to think from, if you are open to that angle, you will always do what you trust in reguardless of what myself or other people say anyways, this is just some food for thought

this is true, but you can put less of yourself into this process, and the fear of loss only goes as far as she is willing to invest, and for investment to take place she has to already see an initial value, a girl who is not investing should be dealt with by investing yourself less in return, you will find more attractive options more likely by pursueing those options rather then investing yourself heavily into one prospect, that is selling yourself short

there is no reason why you have to cut her off if you are indifferent to her, you can constantly increase the number of options inside your dating pool but there at the same time is no reason why you should need her or need reaching an outcome with her at any point in time, there will always be more women and it's easier to meet new ones and remain indifferent, then to get yourself emotionally involved with those that are not living up to your expectations