ok so I have been in touch with this girl for a while, I have known her through out college, we joked laughed, hugged almost kissed. Always looked into each others eyes while talking all the other fagy shit.

3 months ago I asked her out on a date, and this is what she said to me "aww, yhes! but we'll only go as friends" ..... what the actual fuck....don't even talk about friend zone here, I know she likes me she has for a while, so this out of the blue only makes me think she said it, because she is really, really shy... which she honestly is.

Recently I got in-touch with her again after about 2 months, she responded just as she used to, not a friendly attitude,but just like a girls who likes you. I called her yesterday to ask her out just to hang out, she didn't pick up. I only called twice, she didn't pick up both times. I asked her why she isnt responding to my calls, or at-least texting me to tell me why she hasn't attended them. She went all defensive and said " I swear to god! I ran out of credit so I couldn't text and I missed your calls because I was away from my phone.

I know this forum is about laying 100 chicks in one night and im all for that, but once in a while a girl comes along who you get attached to, and it happens to be this one for me, so please instead of trolling about friend zone (which is fairly easy to get out off, and I don't believe its impossible to get out off) Help me compose the next message I send her or what I say to her, I want to ask her out again but in a twisted kind of so she comes, and I can land a k close or just act all gay and fag like and ask her out.

Thank you

Well, to start this forum is not getting 100 lays in one night and no one here is to judge you. Give few days and the ask her out again. You need to figure out what is looking for. If she sees you as a as a friend who is funny, this does not me she likes you as a potential bf or fb. In the future, let a girl you are interested in her from day one. How? Just say you think you are cute or " you look like one of the popular kids" or whatever. The main reason why people get stuck in friend zone is that they wait so long. You probably dont want that answer so to get back to u on what to do just ask her out again sometime and escalate gradually without making her feel uncomfortable.

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Well, the 2nd day after meeting her, she told me she liked me.... and a week later I told her shes cute and I liked her.... so I know hwat you mean by not waiting so long, that's what's puzzling me right now :/ It could be shes interested in someone else? if so I need her to be interested in me again, this thing is a game so help me pass this level ;D

lol usually when a girl says that, she FZoned you.

But before that is a conclusion I need to ask...in that 3 MONTHS TIME what have you actually done with her? You hugged and almost kissed? BFD dude, I hug and almost kiss girls all the time before I realize the beer goggles were severely clouding my vision. Three months is a lot of time and usually enough time to assess whether or not a girl is really into you. You are convinced this girl is into you, but you have yet to provide any shred of evidence that she actually wants your dick.

Listen, I have girls that I friend zoned and I can tell you that even though we hug and kiss all the time, we are just friends. I know this because they aren't hitting me up with kissy face messages (thought sometimes they send me pics of their boobies...), asking me to hang out late at night, or getting highly physical with me when drunk (eh, usually).

So you seriously need to asses everything that has happened in these past three months and ask yourself a few questions.

1) has she gotten very physical with you? (grabbing thighs, squeezing arms, staying well within your personal bubble, etc..)

2) What do you guys usually end up talking about? (sexual stuff vs. emotional stuff [friend zone!], talking about you vs. talking about other men[friend zone!])

3) When she texts you what do they look like? Flirty? or just conversational?

4) How far have you gone with her? and what was the context?

These are just a few questions you should be asking. If it turns out she really does want to be friends, I think you might've just waited a little too long to take any kind of action (3 months dude? really?).

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I have a bit of a grip on this whole game thing, because its what led me to recruiting chicks for modelling and getting with them. Thats why in those 3 months, I didnt contact her, atal.... she messaged me a few time, and I totally ignored..... so now, she is more "Flirty" the reason I like this girl is because she isnt dick thirsty....she's someone I wana have a long relationship with... this what usually you guys suck at.. you can get laid in a day, but you cant grip a long term relationship and this whole thing about friend zone is complete bull shit. I have dated my "best friends" before trust me, all you need to to do is ignore them for a while until they come out of that zone.

When she said "Sure, but we'll go as friends" you should have replied with "Of course, don't want you to get any ideas!" Or something like that, then go on the date and escalate.

Don't pay attention to what she says, pay attention to how she responds.

You sir are a genius, that should have crossed my mind, I did say" ok sure lets go as friends" ut its ok I managed to get out of the friend zone, all I need now is a little bit of help composing this message

wow you seriously needed help to figure out what to write back? was that simply it? If you said you were new, then i would understand, but apparently you're pretty experienced. And if that's the case you have no grasp on what game entails. Getting into a LTR is easy, just don't bang her on the first night and think of her in the long term. I'm sorry, but I've never had girls tell me she'll go out with me as a friend, so i honestly can't help you there. but from every story i've heard, anytime a girl says "just friends" that's exactly what it means.

People like to make girls out to be these jigsaw puzzles that throw a different piece at you that doesn't quite fit. To be completely honest, in my experience, they are pretty straight forward..if not with their speech, then with their body language. That's why I asked you how she was reacting to you physically.

Maybe your case is simply different, idk no one person is the same. Just follow what Rough operator said. But if your story really is the whole story, well my opinion still stands. FRIEND ZONED.

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Girls always try to pull this frame. DO NOT ACCEPT IT. You are not going to argue with her, if you do, then she will try to argue why she should friend zone you. Just keep doing your thing. Your frame of being a sexual man is stronger than some silly friend zone.

I assume you want to bang her/LTR her and not fall into a friendzone. i.e. for you the friendzone is a no go area.

Anyway if she pulls the "only as friends" shit again. Send a text back saying "haha yeah sure " she will text back something like "Im serious just friends" then reply with something like "Awww thats cute, I'm serious too"

Go on the date/whatever, on the date kino, escalate, touch her, when you can just grab her and kiss her. If she responds defensively and gets all "I only wanted to come as friends blahblahblah" then just say "I can't be just friends with you. I find you too sexy for that."

If she gets more defensive/tells you to fuck off then freezeout and drop. If the opposite, bang her.

Yes, you both realized that there was something more than friendship going on and that there are stronger feelings involved.

Difference is: you want it to go further and she dont.

That is what she is trying to tell you. She doesnt want the realtionship to go further than friendship and even though it has, she wants it to go back a bit. She has made a decision where she wasnt sure before.

Friendzone is not as simple as, hey I dont have any other feelings, just friends. It is about regardless of feelings, she decides to not let it go any further.

It is very difficult to give you advice when the first thing you say is do not say friendzone when that is obviously what is going on. Try keeping an open mind and drop your defenses, people are just trying to help you here.

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When she says this, look like you're just baffled and unimpressed and what she just said doesn't make any sense and say "well yeah, of course, I don't care how drunk you get me, you ain't getting NOTHING!"

"Recently I got in-touch with her again after about 2 months, she responded just as she used to, not a friendly attitude,but just like a girls who likes you. I called her yesterday to ask her out just to hang out, she didn't pick up. I only called twice, she didn't pick up both times. I asked her why she isnt responding to my calls, or at-least texting me to tell me why she hasn't attended them. She went all defensive and said " I swear to god! I ran out of credit so I couldn't text and I missed your calls because I was away from my phone."

Why did you even go there? She owes you nothing. Your expectations got the better of you. Don't call twice, once was enough (leave a voice message even). Asking her why she isn't responding makes you look needy - seriously who cares she didn't pickup she didn't pickup. If she wants to hangout with you she'd call you back. Stop being so reactive, think of how an alpha would respond prior to making ANY contact with her whatsoever, so at least you're primed and ready to respond.


Men ACT; Women REACT. Sure it may sound a bit sexist but if you make this your mantra you'll get much farther with women. In short, when you feel slighted, angry/pissed-off, ignored, rejected or whatever be aware of the physical sensations you're getting on your body and use that as a cue to then ask yourself "Am I REACTING, or am I ACTING?". Almost always the visceral, knee-jerk response will be to REACT. If this is the case (and it will be most of the time), do some deep breathing exercises or focus on something in your immediate surrounding to slow stuff down, and then re-approach things with a calmer, cooler head; at this point your frontal lobes kick in again and the 'emotional' brain becomes less dominant allowing you to think more clearly and make the conscious choice to act rather than react.

JESUS CHRIST! ok well, I went out with her 2 days ago, she told my friend that she's still confused, because I treated her badly....called her work bad? but I always did it in a joking way.. as far as physical goes she treats my guy friend completely differently than me....shes more serious with me always has been, even before all this shit happened. so we cam back to mine and we were just sat down and she told me to do hypnosis on her, so I did, she was surprised as to my ability to tell her about herself...

I think there is a middle man, her best friend who she is constantly texting and reporting every little shit thats going on....and this friend of hers apparently has allot of experience...and from what I can accumulate "He says this to every girl" "he's just bullshitting you to try and fuck you"

She found out today about a fling I had with this other chick a week after what happened, her reaction was...plain as daylight. I'm friend-zoned, but Im not in that deep hole that is unclimable, I can tell this simply by how she treats me and the other guy friend (who has a girlfriend, not that it matters but she set him up with her) and me.

I now have 2 choices:
1, befriend her, act like nothing ever happened, when she comes to mine and its just the 2 of us, I can make something happen, If there is one thing I do know....most of my friends long term relationships sprouted from "friends" who were confused about their feelings and just a bit more physical.

2, Never speak to her again, which is painful as fuck but surely manageable I guess.

I also am sure she has only been in one relationship and the guy fucked her over and she is scared of another relationship unless she knows the person for a long time.

i really think she sees you s a friend. some girls are naturally upbeat and caress alot.