I think you're on the wrong forum.

So what if he did imply that he wanted to have sex? Whether it was a good move or not, surely apologising for that sets a terrible precedent? What else is he going to apologise for after that?

"I made a bad joke and I never meant to disrespect you" = "I'm sorry Mummy, I'll behave from now on". Fuck that.

He's a sexual being with sexual needs and if she can't handle that then tough, she can find someone more sensitive who will read her poetry.

The initial text was ill-advised, but backing down would achieve absolutely nothing. Any form of playing the whole thing down, whether by acknowledging the sexual meaning of the text or denying it, would be fine. Buying into her frame and treating it as a serious issue is the LAST thing he should be doing.

Jesus Christ, are we going to start taking our pulling advice from fucking Marie Claire? How can you be on a PUA forum and not know what a dead end this kind of ass-kissing really is?

He was being disrespectful and treated her wrong. She thinks he's worthless, which he probably is.

Acting mature rather than an arrogant brat gives him a fresh start. It doesn't take away his "manhood", the very opposite, it shows that he's a TRUE man.

He or any other man doesn't have the right to treat women as sex objects. Women are sexual, but respond better with more demure approach.

A lot of people on this forum have problems with women for a reason.

It was written for a few men here, I didn't expect to make any friends with that. I rather say things that someone needs to hear rather than wants to hear.

Never considered myself a PUA, more a seducer. Chivalry and good manners take a long way with women, and I actually have a track record to brag about. This guy got burned, I spent my weekend with a 6 ft, blonde, blue eyed model (a definite HB 10) who adores me. Having manners has NEVER gotten me friend zoned.

If you're such a gentleman, why call her an HB10? Ladies don't exactly like being classified by marks out of 10, if you're going to play the understanding guy role.

Oh and while we're bragging online, I'm currently having a threesome with two Swedish porn stars and smacking them over the head with my 11-inch cock. Your argument is invalid.

My point is simply this: you're on a PUA forum arguing AGAINST PUA philosophies - I have no problem with unpopular opinions, but what you wrote is the equivalent of posting a Marxist forum saying that the ruling class should own the means of production.

I don't care about your track record, you're fucking dickless, like any man that would slag off his fellow men and take women's side in a completely meaningless, patronising way.

Not only you're personally attacking on me, you are taking the thread off topic. I have better ways to spend my time.

Women rate men as well, get over it. Any sensible man would talk differently to a lady in person. I'm not really sure what is your point about that I use PUA lingo on PUA forum when complaining that I don't comply to PUA forum enough.

I know my conquests and I know them well to be true. I enjoy my life and have made my own rules with it, with great success. I can hear a hint of jealousy in your tone.

I am on a PUA forum discussing about how to approach a woman. If a list of rules is all you believe a man needs, this forum is useless for you as well as anyone else in here. The thread poster tried a classic PUA approach and failed miserably. How many fails do you see necessary not to treat a set of philosophies as some Bible or do you do what some do on this forum, grow a shell around you, lie to yourself and harm people and especially yourself on the way. It might do good for you to broaden your horizons a bit.

"I don't care about your track record, you're fucking dickless, like any man that would slag off his fellow men and take women's side in a completely meaningless, patronising way."

I don't divide debates into men's and women's camps, I go and do what I see as the right thing to do. Takes strenght, takes brutal honesty, but it's something I need not to apologize.

Now take a deep breath and calm down a bit... Better? Not feeling cranky anymore? Now go back to play with other kids and let adults talk adult things for a while, ok? *pats your head in a loving, motherly way*

All I have to say on the matter. Period.

No. Not really. He took the general principle and overshot somewhat. It wasn't fatally flawed, just slightly misjudged. Your approach, by contrast, is suggesting that the mention of him wanting sex was wrong and disrespectful. This is pretty fundamental to whether or not you agree with PUA.

You say that I have dragged this thread off-topic, having yourself called the OP "worthless". I'd hate to speak for him but I'm guessing he doesn't exactly value your contribution here.

Whether you're into PUA or not, even among "regular guys" calling another guy "worthless" because he failed to be sensitive enough to a woman's needs would get you labelled a dickhead. I think you've lost whatever argument you were trying to make by making a comment like this.

About the OP and back to thread it is then...

I suggest you read my posts before trying to drag things out of context.

The OP made a mistake and failed in his pursue, thus the whole thread exists. I'm sorry for him, but to live and learn, rather than repeat the mistake again. "Worthless" is the impression I said he has given to this woman (she was verbal enough about her ideas of his behaviour). I don't know him personally, but for his own good, I hope he'll treat his potential future dates with more respect. I wish him all the best.

Look, no matter how much you try to attack on me, you are not able to annoy me or make me mad, so do save your energy. I have a strong ground where I'm standing, as well as total respect from those that matter to me (morons not needed). Leave out the pseudo-witty "proofs" (definitely not your forte) and try doing something a bit more constructive. You've made no merit for yourself. You disagree with me, you have the right for that, but bitching and personal attacks are unwelcome and waste of everyone's time here.

Case closed. This is the last reply I will write for you.

stop flaming each other

I can't really argue with that comment Pumpington, but the record will show that I only started "flaming" this guy when he insulted the OP, which is surely the wrong to be addressed here, as noone should have to put up with that when they've been good enough to share their personal circumstances with complete strangers.

Oh, please. The "record will show" that you attacked someone before ever pulling OP in it and now you try to act like some hero? What a douchbag.

The OP was very rude to a woman and had what he asked for (I would have replied in a very similar way). If he's a Man he will apologize to her.

you were already asked to discontinue flaming, it doesn't make a difference if you make new accounts, keep it up and you will be banned

I am f*cking Fatale. Get over it.

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