I'm no push over,I will never let a girl use me,let her lie to me,disrespect me. I am a nice guy,not to get girls,but I'm a nice person to all cause my mom raised me right. My question is,is it really attractive to women,cause when she(women in general) gets mad and starts being all irrational I'm all chilled,when she being mean(as in just upset) I'm just nice and chilled and like it will be alright or be like what's wrong,cause I generally want to know,like seeing my woman happy or people happy in general,but if she disrespectful insulting me I won't be nice or flat out ignore her or get her out my life. Girls have told me that I'm so sweet,and they love me for it(yes these women have wanted relationships with me,not in friend way). Is it really attractive to women?

Same feeling bro..

your answer is within your post.

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Thanks secretaznman,just making sure cause I don't take what women say as how they really feel. They say one thing,but really want something else.

Yes being sweet is a very endearing quality, but sometimes a girl just wants to be spanked. Girls put out all these little tests, I most certainly do. If a girl can make you mad at her to a point where you will raise your voice, then she knows you care about her. If you didn't care you wouldn't be angry, you'd just walk away. It's also really healthy to put girls in their place, especially the bratty ones (like me).

Shut your face

Its all in the frame you hold. Ive known a lot of nimrods who were sweethearts to women, but dickheads to guys....thats lame, and creepy.

If you're a nice person to everyone, you will be known, accepted and loved for it. If its only women, you will look desperate and phony.

Also being nice doesn't mean letting sombody always have their way or walk all over you.

If you meet an HB10 and basically "don't care" what she thinks of you as you regard her approval as not important, then you will be one in a hundred and intrigue will follow, she'll want to know why you're not impressed and assume it's because you're higher value than her and THATS when attraction occurs along with a barrage of shit tests to challenge your frame. If you pass (simply by possessing a cavalier disinterest to her) then the door is open. The thing is now you have to show some interest in her or she will assume you really aren't interested and you're struck off potential FC duties (she has lots of choice so she can rationalise it) This bit is where most guys mess up. As long as you keep tension between the two of you by calibrating well you'll usually do ok.

Wow thanks for all the replies. Yip I am a nice guy to men and women,and yes I am an asshole to people who are rude,I don't hold back on either male or female. Thanks everyone. Also just to add to that the reason I joined PUA,was cause my girl decided to be with a guy who ignored whatever else,she wasn't my girl but we did stuff. Obviously this guy didn't have game he went on dates with friends,just elusiveness I suppose,she got him and realized this,then wanted me back I said no. But I suppose from this you can tell I'm too nice.

pls stop flaming people dude, if you don't agree with someone, just attack their viewpoint instead of them ad hominem, and at least make a counterpoint on why you disagree


to Azizi, nothing wrong with being a kind person, as long as you have personal boundaries and are willing to enforce them instead of just allowing yourself to be stepped on

rather then tooling girls, I like to just question them or ''call them out'' instead of starting a pissing contest (unless you are flirting), talking shit usually just leads to more shit talking, where as a serious ''why would you say that to me?, that was really rude'' can completely re-frame a situation and dis-continue further dis-respect

I wasn't flaming Molly, it was just she said wanted to be put in her place, so that's what I did. I have no problem with her point of view or her generally, it was just a joke, maybe a winky face would have helped, or maybe it's the kind of comment that would come off better in person.

I will try to observe forum etiquette in whatever way I'm requested Pump, not here looking to cause trouble but to share and learn. I will try to be as constructive as I can in future and avoid ad hominem attacks, which you're right I have been guilty of.

I took it as a joke anyway. : )

Being a nice and kind person is the way of a real man.

Polite, always courteous and being well mannered will set you apart always as it is rare.

HOWEVER(lol), the above does not mean you take shit from a women and they need to know who is in charge and who makes the decisions.

Being nice and cool does not mean being AFC.

And with a bratty girl (especially from Cal) like Molly the only way is harder and hardest:)

That was the kind of thing I should have aimed for. JamesWatson31 shall now be my guru

Man I'm right on your page. I have argued on here that the nice guy doesn't do bad it is the insecure guy and the guy without confidence do bad. People seem to confuse confidence with asshole (which is easy as I've noticed my tone has come across as asshole but meant to be confidence) and nice with insecurity because the insecure guy lets people stomp on them.

Women love the gentlemen as long as he isn't constantly seeking approval, being nice to be nice is good, being nice to get approval or to get laid not so much.

A lot of people confuse the nice guy with the guy who'll buy girls stuff, or who'll grab something for a girl, basically get stomped on. I'm a very nice guy but that doesn't mean I'll ever allow someone to stomp on me or make me buy them stuff.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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