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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:37 pm 
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Here it is, lads:

You rock up to a chick and, in a confident, level voice you say

“Hey, how’s it going.”

She will say

“Fine.”

You then say

“Cool. What are you doing later?”

She will say

“I’m not sure.”

You then say

“Do you want to come home with me?”

Then you hold.

Hold.

HOLD………………..

HOLD IT MY SON……………………..

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE………………

Boom. Makeout.

And that’s the Apocalypse opener. You don’t ‘build rapport.’ You don’t ‘elicit values.’ You don’t ‘kino escalate.’ You don’t even ask her fucking NAME. You ask if she wants to sleep with you in the THIRD SENTENCE, hold the line, and reap the whirlwind.
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Here it is, lads:

You rock up to a chick and, in a confident, level voice you say

“Hey, how’s it going.”

She will say

“Fine.”

You then say

“Cool. What are you doing later?”

She will say

“I’m not sure.”


You then say

“Do you want to come home with me?”

Then you hold.

Hold.

HOLD………………..

HOLD IT MY SON……………………..

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE………………

Boom. Makeout.

And that’s the Apocalypse opener. You don’t ‘build rapport.’ You don’t ‘elicit values.’ You don’t ‘kino escalate.’ You don’t even ask her fucking NAME. You ask if she wants to sleep with you in the THIRD SENTENCE, hold the line, and reap the whirlwind.
When you use the apocalypse opener, instead of her saying "I'm not sure" and instead says something direct like, "going to * with my friend" should I still finish off the apocalypse opener, or is that a sign of disinterest meaning I shouldn't continue?

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Continue the Apocalypse as normal. It's such a complete frame seize as it is that It could work even better if she says "going to * with my friend" as by continuing, you are exhibiting strong leading and alpha characteristics and these are the characteristics which ignite sexual attraction in a woman.

Have you ever heard women say "I want to be swept off my feet"? Well this is what they mean. They are being swept into the guy's reality.


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The golden rule of the Apocalypse opener is to never use it when there is someone else there. The girl could be really wanting to go with you but if one of her friends or even a stranger hears her say yes then her ASD takes over to preserve her social status and she will either walk off or play the "what type of girl do you think I am card"

When you hold the silence after the question it puts a lot of psychological pressure on the girl to answer and it could go either way but third parties within earshot will 99% tip it the wrong way.

After the question if she says "no" flat out just reply "Ok" and flow into the next piece of your conversation as if nothing has happened and it's no big deal. If however she says "well I don't know" or "maybe" or "well I'll have to see what my friends are doing" this means yes just continue the silence till it's either verbal yes or no.

Use it during the last hour of the night; if a girl has spent 3 hours getting ready and been out with her friends for 2 she will want to enjoy the night and not cut it short to go back to yours.

Use it more on a girl when you see her friends have scored with other guys, she doesn't like being the gooseberry as it drops her social status. By leaving with you she can play the girly "romantic instant chemistry card" on her friends.

This is anecdotal and somebody else has mentioned the same on a current thread but girls who wear red shoes or lipstick are more receptive to the opener. I think it's due to hormonal fluctuation which make girls more sexually charged at the most fertile time of their cycle and gives them a predilection to the colour red.

When you give the question hold full eye contact (increases the tension) and nod slightly, subconsciously the girl picks up the nod and interpretes it as a yes (hypnotists use this a lot)

When you see a group of girls deep in conversation look out for the one looking around the venue and not listening to her friends conversation; she's there to pull a guy and scouting out the room for what guys are there.

When you approach do direct full on without non verbal time constraints full alpha. Yes it takes balls but it's a big turn on for the girl.

In hypnosis there is a phenonema called "the pygmalion effect" where if you totally 100% expect someone to behave in a certain way they will. The reason being you give off very subtle body language cues called BMIR's (behavioral manifestations of internal representations) and the other person picks them up and drops into that frame. So. on your approach expect it to work!!

And finally: when it does work get moving before the mood changes, her excitement levels have peaked so get her out the club/bar within 5 minutes before they drop off.
nicely explained. Ive been lucky enough to have it work a few times, and what you have explained there are the very reasons for that.

(I still disagree with the red dress thing though) :P I think that is just the "pygmalion effect" as you mentioned. But why just expect it to work better on girls in red. Get that limiting belief out of your head. It can work just as well with ANY girl there if you believe it.

It really is the lazy mans method, once you get all the important parts down pat.

Use wisely and sparingly! for a couple of reasons... It can limit your game if you go out just relying on this approach. You will basically become lazy, because you start to think that its so easy why do anything else? Which can hinder you.

You also dont want to blow out of sets where you could have done better if you took a more subtle approach. But I guess if it doesnt work, you can play it off smoothly and just continue the conversation...

One last IMPORTANT note.

Since this is such a great routine, or whatever you want to call it, for getting girls to come home with you. You dont STRICTLY have to use it as an opener. Ive had success with it using it on a girl Ive been talking to for a while... So what, thats not an opener... But its still a damn effective way to get her to come home with you.

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This is a fascinating topic - I’ve read so much about it and the theory to me seems solid.
This feels like the final push I need to at least attempt it, once in my life.

I've never tried it because I always conclude to blame my that my frame isn't strong enough, but I know I'm just making excuses for myself.

I could get the line out I’m sure it's just the big 'hold... hold... hold' part where I would feel the awkwardness building and I’ll get inside my own head.

To hell with it, if I cave, I cave! - A blowout will be short lived, so I'm gonna try it tonight :)


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You could be right about the red dress signal. Maybe by thinking it's a strong indicator then you believe the opener will work better which makes your delivery more congruent and therefor it does work better.

It's not a limiting belief in that it's more of a filter in that if a guy had a choice between two HB's in a set the odds (even based on anecdotal evidence) may be incrementally better if you choose the red dress/shoes one of the two. Red has throught history been considered the colour of passion and danger/excitement. Maybe the act of opening the red dress HB creates more arousal in yourself which the target picks up on and escalates the latent sexual undertones of the frame?


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Would you guys say this if other people heard you? It just sounds like something that should be private


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Thats the golden rule. Only use it when nobody else can hear you. Unless you're lining up a threesome :D


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My advice to anyone who is thinking of trying this but are apprehensive for whatever reason. Use it on a night when you are on fire and doing everything right. Even if you have a lock to go home with you already. Find an excuse to slip away and give it a shoot. The added confidence of having a good night will help to negate the fuck me I am gonna piss myself feeling. Plus if you already have one that is willing to go home with you, there is no pressure if this doesn't work. Still you will feel like pissing yourself either way so be prepared. I just used it for the first time and it was a resounding success. I posted a lay report if anyone is interested. Next weekend I am going to use it on a pair of friends and go for the threesome. Worst case scenario I get slapped. Oh well. I can't not try.


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Just want to say +1. It does work with big success rate. You can do it in whatever mood you want as long as you seem confident.
As someone said, look for the ones that seem like more open targets and take them when they are alone. This increases your chances alot. I have made it when their friends are next to them aswell, listening, but its easier when theyre alone or at least cant hear you.
I usually do it with a"its just a question"attitude ,still confident like im assuming she wants it and im doing her a favor. Im being serious when asking it, but still just a question. Then continue with the routine.
Relaxed, confident. Works.

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I tried this last week for the first time ever.
One approach didn't work but the other did to my amazement, I didn't deliver the first one properly in my opinion as I almost started laughing at her reaction.

The second target was a better pick in my opinion, but a single dry run isn't really my definition of field tested so I need to experiment further.

My question is though, what if she responds "what?" "what did you say?" or "pardon?" etc. as in she genuinely didn't hear what you actually said, what would you do in that instance. - Do you stick to your script & risk creeping her out or just repeat the 3rd line again?
(The question could also go the other way and she might of actually heard you, but is wanting you to jump through her 'hoop' - compliance test).

But in a loud club it's bound to happen sometime.

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I tried this last week for the first time ever.
One approach didn't work but the other did to my amazement, I didn't deliver the first one properly in my opinion as I almost started laughing at her reaction.

The second target was a better pick in my opinion, but a single dry run isn't really my definition of field tested so I need to experiment further.

My question is though, what if she responds "what?" "what did you say?" or "pardon?" etc. as in she genuinely didn't hear what you actually said, what would you do in that instance. - Do you stick to your script & risk creeping her out or just repeat the 3rd line again?
(The question could also go the other way and she might of actually heard you, but is wanting you to jump through her 'hoop' - compliance test).

But in a loud club it's bound to happen sometime.

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Isolation and timing, eg. girls who are waiting for their friends ready to leave shortly. And try to use it when the bar is nearly closing, once the music is winding down. If the music is still loud and pumping, she will be more likely to reject you because she would feel like she's missing out on the best part of the night. Secondly, if it's later in the night and she still doesn't have a man, she may be more receptive because she's been starved of attention. So a good time would be just after the dancefloor hits its peak and a few people start leaving. This way she will still be riding on the emotional high of the packed dancefloor. If you leave it too late when the bouncers start throwing drunks down the steps and locking up, she will be thinking about getting a kebab and chips and passing out.

But don't dwell on the possible rejection or it won't work. Don't be outcome-based as it will affect your confidence in delivery. If the music and ambient noise is not that deafeningly loud and she still can't hear you, you're probably not saying it loud enough (for fear of other people hearing what you're saying). Don't shout it, but say it loudly and clearly enough so that you know for sure that she heard you.

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My question is though, what if she responds "what?" "what did you say?" or "pardon?" etc. as in she genuinely didn't hear what you actually said, what would you do in that instance. - Do you stick to your script & risk creeping her out or just repeat the 3rd line again?
I would go with stick to the script and holding the silence for the following reasons....

1) When you approach the girl her reticular activation system is activated and she's focused on what you're saying so if she heard the first two lines she will hear the third.

2) A lot of people will use a "what?" as a reason to collect their thoughts when you repeat the question in an attempt to alleviate the silence tension. By repeating you eliminate the very psychological frame which is triggering the critical factor bypass required to bring out the "yes". So statistically your more likely to succeed with the continuation.

3)If someone doesn't hear you in a noisy club a lot of the time they will just nod as if they had so continue the silence but the big tell is if the girl leans in towards you to hear better, people who have heard you forget to do this.


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@Hunter_Foxe and @Melodical

Thank you for your replies, both make a valid case :)

I take on what you say about the "what?" reply same could probably go for "excuse me?" (almost in disbelief of what you just said).

I'll use my best judgement at the time and I'll keep an eye out for the 'peck' (lean in) too.
After last week, I’ve just wanted to get out there and try it out again, I just want to cover all eventualities and proceed with confidence :)

I am out this weekend so gonna run some normal game early on and then pull out the 'big guns' later on ;)


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@Hunter_Foxe and @Melodical

Thank you for your replies, both make a valid case :)

I take on what you say about the "what?" reply same could probably go for "excuse me?" (almost in disbelief of what you just said).

I'll use my best judgement at the time and I'll keep an eye out for the 'peck' (lean in) too.
After last week, I’ve just wanted to get out there and try it out again, I just want to cover all eventualities and proceed with confidence :)

I am out this weekend so gonna run some normal game early on and then pull out the 'big guns' later on ;)
when a girl pretends like she doesn't hear you, motion her with your hands to come closer, then bring her in close and whisper what you said in her ear, this isn't just for the appocolypse opener this is just conversation in clubs with music in general


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