The #1 place most men will go to pick up girls are night clubs. Dancing, alcohol, and plenty of short skirts. Who wouldn’t want to go?

The problem is that the guy to girl ratio is usually 2:1. If you’re an average Joe looking to meet Ms. Right, you’re not going to find her at a night club. Chances are she’s already hooking up Alpha Male Bob at the other end of the bar…

Let’s be real. At a club, there are too many factors stacked against you.

Better looking guys
Guys with more game
Girls’ guards are up
Girls have friends who want to cockblock “protect” her
The music is incredibly loud

If you want to start achieving success with women, you have to get into an environment where there is no competition. This is why I’m such a huge supporter of meeting women through group activities or social events. There’s far less competition of guys to worry about. Plus, the environment works for you, not against you.

Here’s an example of an environment working for you. Dancing lessons.

Flexible, in-shape girls attend
You get paired up with one of these girls and are forced into locking eyes with her
Women relate dancing to sex
The ratio of women to men is 10:1
Girls will respect you for learning to dance. If they ask why, say, “I’m a single guy looking to try new things and meet new people.” (Just don’t wear tights…)
You will get in shape
The girls will compete over you as you progress in skill
Plenty of girls to choose from
The benefits of being able to dance are priceless

Group activities are the #1 place to meet new girls. Even if you go in for just a week of lessons, I guarantee you will have the opportunity to date at least 1 girl.

Approaching girls at clubs can be nerve-wracking, I know! I would rather just get thrown into the mix and react in the moment. With group activities, you’re forced to be apart of interactions with hot, beautiful girls. So go ahead and try something new this week.

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Better looking guys

Looks don't matter. It's 90% behavioural cues that women look in a male.


Guys with more game

Actually, guys in clubs suck shit. Almost the entire club is filled with chodes.


Girls’ guards are up
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Girls have friends who want to cockblock “protect” her

Amps up the difficulty, therefore you gain more skill quickly and when you go in the easy situations as street or day game, it's 10x easier


The music is incredibly loud

You than learn how to be loud and un-stiffled, which is one major characteristic of an alpha-male.

If you want to start achieving success with women, you have to get into an environment where your heart is pounding in your chest. You have to face your fears and get out of your comfort zone, in order to develop attractive qualities and confidence. The more easier sets and the more easier venues you go to, the more you stagnate. Seek competition, seek sets that are impossible.

Game = Reference Experiences

You get them by doing what I said. Challenging yourself all the time and exploring where you have never been before, which means: no bullshit comfort venues. That's what it takes to get to a superior level than 95% of guys who fail in this community. 95% fail...because they have the same mentality as you. Change it if you want to get good with girls..if you still think that looks matter a lot, you still have a lot of work.. good luck.

I agree that going to a place where there are lots of guys is not a good way to pick up women. Even if they are chodes, they are still muddying the waters with lame pick up lines and giving even the ugly girls a sense of entitlement. And if a lot of the guys are better looking than you, that makes you look even worse in comparison. It doesn't mean you can't pick up chicks, but you will have an easier time at a more ideal venue. That's why there aren't that many puas at clubs, because only a few are dance game experts, and the rest prefer day game or seeking out venues where they flourish.

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“Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!” ~Audrey Hepburn

Why don't we have both?

Last time that I'm saying this. You want to become an elite player? You'll have to do the hard shit...you'll have to face the pain. You go out, not just to pick-up girls, but to get reference experiences so that your skill becomes better. There's no GROWTH in the comfort zone! Why do you think 95% of guys in the community don't become good? Because they have this same mentality: " I need to go to easy venues and be in my little comfort zone, always just approaching, never pushing the limits ". No, no, no, no. You got it wrong, it's the other way around. You go to venues fucking loud and super tough so that you learn how to become un-reactive and better at game. "There aren't many PUA's at the clubs". There aren't many PUA's in real life. Period. All the "PUA's" in the clubs are only guys who read techniques on the internet and now they think they have game and because they find it so hard in a club they usually go out in really easy venues and now they're trying out again the club, but they can't do shit..they don't have the hustle or the experience to back up their "game". So they stand in a corner with all the other chodes, wandering around. Looks mean nothing by the way. Are you really not going to a venue because you're comparing yourself with the guys in there in terms of looks? Serious inner game issue right there. That inner game issue will not get fixed by going easy, doing 2 sets every week and going on the most easiest venue that you can find.

This attitude should be taken with ALL avenues in your life!
as with PUA or whatever you want to call it, your goal is not to look for sex or a woman but merely to look for and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
Tear yourself away from the safe comfort of certainties that are not getting you the things you desire! Whether it's Money, Power, Fitness, or women!

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Join dance class if you want to learn how to dance and have fun! Joining to pick up women is counter productive, and outcome dependent.

Sure there’s a lot of fucking HBs that go, but are you honestly going to tell me that they’re going to bang you just because you do too?

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH WORK THAT WOULD TAKE? First, you’d have to convince the girl that you are actually into banging Women. That might take like a fucking Month. Then, MAYBE, if she doesn’t still think of you as her Gay dance partner!
Then maybe you could get her to go for a drink or something.

While your sharpening your salsa skill, I’ll be nailing the HB that just bought me drinks all night at the bar.

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Source?

I just knew this one is going to come up as soon as I read the "Better looking guys" part.
Looks do matter. The fact that you might have a friend who is ugly but still pulls, means nothing. Fact is, if he was beautiful with same charisma/game that he got now, he'd pull 2 times more. Also, I really doubt you concluded this from your experience.
If you need this belief in order to maintain the well being of your ego, then believe this, but please don't lie on public forums and keep the guys from improving on their looks.

Let's say that you and me got the same charisma and game and that you're 6 in looks and I'm 9. If we both gamed the same girls through the night, did all the same things etc, they'd pick me every single time. Would you argue this?

As I heard, what you say is 7% of attraction but yet everyone is nuts about what to say. Looks (according to my experience) account for much more then those 7%, yet people do shit about it because they are brainwashed by such statements provided by you and the likes.

First of all, let me state that I have hundreds and hundreds of hours of infield experience. Let me state another thing: I have looks. I maybe not a model, but I grew up with tons of girls saying that they love how I look and that there's something really hot about me. Still didn't get laid. Evolution made women be attracted to alpha-males...do you think cavemans had a mirror?? Do you think a caveman knew what he looked like? Fuck no! Thousands of years ago, the women needed to copulate with a man who can protect them and who's sure of himself. He presented certain characteristics that made the women copulate with him, in order for her to ensure that her children are going to live.

What you're telling (that looks matter) is based on several specific cases. Look around you. Look how many normal guys date hot chicks. Look at David X how he fucked 950 girls and how fat and ugly he is. Go out and find out whether looks matter or not and stop listening to the social conditioning. I did. And I found out. No, it matters to 5% of some cases. I went out with good looking guys and destroyed them like they weren't even existent. The women would look at them saying: "Damn he's hot". When they were opening their mouths "Ahhhh get away from me you creep". It's called FIELD EXPERIENCE. I have so much field experience, I can back up any of my statements with hundreds and hundreds of cases mate, you have no idea what you're talking about.

ATTRACTION = VALUE

This is for you.

Haha, don't worry I had plenty of those.
I believe you when you say you're the pimp, I wish I had your game. I got plenty of charisma though, wish I wouldn't say stupid shit all the time and kill the attraction.All respect to you my friend, I hope my post wasn't taken as an attack, it was more of a criticism.

You're assuming I'm influenced by social conditioning, but let me tell you something. I stopped listening to the society from when I was single digit year old. But not in a way that I go opposite of the society, like most of people do. I question everything and make my own decisions based on my findings.

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Now here is my short take on the stages of ego existence:

1st stage: We're not aware of the ego until we realize that we got some shortcomings and that making it go away will make us happier:
Looks Matter + I'm Ugly = Poor Self Esteem

2nd stage: We're trying to get rid of the ego the wrong way. We think that thinking that looks matter is producing our ego so we go the opposite way regardless of facts:
Looks Doesn't Matter + Ugliness = Great Self Esteem = Charisma

Success! Or is it? Ego is still there, but it's even worse this time because you're making it stronger by keeping it from hurting. This is where most of the guys here are. If you feel threatened by hearing that looks actually matter, then you're at stage two my friend. There is other possibility of you not feeling threatened, but because you think that you're so right that you find any other notion so ridiculous that it's ignorant babbling of a mad man.

3rd stage: When you really get rid of your ego. Then looking good/ugly doesn't affect your charisma in any way and you can see it clearly and decide based on the real facts.
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You mention caveman. They had no choice. How many cavemen do you think she had around to choose from? Like three or something? While girls today got literally every person on this planet 12 hours of flight away tops. Who do you think will protect her better, skinny twig or muscle guy? Also, muscle guy gets much more respect from other guys which is ummm, attractive to women. Also, good looks is sign of health, longevity etc... while we're talking of good genes.
Are we talking about the guy who she want's to take care of her children or about the guy who she wants to fuck? Are you talking about a provider?

This is what I feel is your way of thinking and I hope you don't take any offences.
You're in stage 2 and every success with women you have, is a proof that looks doesn't matter in order to reinforce your now different ego.
Every other thing you said comes back to the fact that you're comparing watermelons with pears. You're ass whooping model-looking guys who got 4 charisma and 4 game... not really a great comparison.
How about we compare apples and quinces and answer me the question that you didn't initially... I'll quote myself:
Based by my own experience, meaning that I got from around 5 to ~8 in looks in 2 years (game stayed the same because I didn't even know about PUA and such; although I can't totally exclude a small increase in charisma), this is my opinion roughly, of the importance of each part of seduction process:
Charisma: 45%
Looks: 30%
Game: 25%

I'm looking forward to your response, will surely watch your video later even though I doubt it will help me.

I just want to say that I didn't got offended at all by your comment. And by the way, I'm a true inner game and eastern philosophy reader. I work all the time on my ego and the ego doesn't have any link with believing that looks matter.

I understand what you're saying here, but here's your problem. You think logically. And yes, we men think logically. But women are emotional. The way you rationalize with me being a 6 in looks and you a 9 and how can that affect how many girls we fuck in comparison to our game is simply way too logical. It doesn't work like that in real life.

And mate, I really don't get offended when you tell that looks matter. Not at all. I'm just sharing what I've learned so far from my experience and I always relied on looks for confidence. I simply lost way too many girls because I thought the looks would do the thing for me and I saw way too many guys who're good looking yet fail all the time to be good, that this belief just erased from my mind. It's just a belief, it's nothing to do with the ego. And in 5% of cases, yes looks do matter, because a girl can feel majorly attracted by a guy who has my facial/body characteristics. And bam, she just wants to fuck me, because she has a thing for my type. Yes this happens. But what I'm trying to say here is that your foundation should be based on behavioural cues. And being charismatic is having game..


See, just the fact that you didn't watched the video, yet you assume that it won't help you demonstrates to me that you still have a lot to learn. Watch the video, I would never post something that it's not worth watching especially the first 5 min of it will show you what I mean..

I just saw this, didn't saw it before. Wow, you got the wrong idea. I go to the gym 3 times every week, shave every morning, cut my hair every month and I always take care of how I dress. But I don't rely on it. You see the difference? I never said that ugly = charisma or game. I simply said that most guys think that that's the most important thing..but in reality, from experience..90% is based on how you act and how you see yourself. The looks is just a bonus or a thumbs up, but it's never the foundation..

I'm lucky to have two of those people in my life:
-My step father (52), who fucked 1500 women from his 30 till he was 50, does exactly what that guy is talking about, with the addition that he is very powerful man who got many people under his "command".
-My brother's best friend (22) who got so many women around him that he simply doesn't give a shit. He opens every girl with stuff like:
HE: Let's fuck.
SHE: What?
HE: I'm going to eat your pussy.
Then he takes her by her hand and drags her away.

I said that about video because I honestly knew what I was about to see.
Also, I'm really trying to become like that... even my step father told me I can use his power/influence as it was my own. So I'm working on it.

I could call that Charisma of 10, which is like one person in a thousand (estimate). Then it might be that charisma is 90%, because honestly, you can't handle any more pussy so there is no need to improve on anything else, like looks, so it might indeed seem useless. An ugly guy who pulls 3 girls a night wouldn't really benefit from good looks because he can't handle 4. But you're going to the extreme, it's an illusion. Find the guy who got charisma of 10 and tell him looks doesn't matter.

Look at it this way: Guy with such a charisma as in that video, doesn't need any game either. Would you call game meaningless as well?

The lower the charisma is, the more looks comes into play. I already said the values of looks in my previous post.
I never said looks is my foundation, far from it. It's just a hefty bonus which helps a lot. I'm just questioning your and many other's statements that looks doesn't matter.

I got an impression that people are remaining fat/skinny/whatever around here because of those sorts of beliefs. But anyway, based on your last post, I think we pretty much agreed on the looks bit, although it's importance varry based on your charisma.
Well mate, I think we should remain grounded and not turn "the most important thing" into "meaningless". Why wouldn't you say that it's 2nd most important thing instead?

Good wishes and have fun!

Glad this thread has gotten some good discussions going.
@FlairPUA Bud, not everybody wants to become an elite player. Whether I fuck 10 girls or 100 girls in my life time does not make a difference for me. Things changed for me once I got into a successful long-term relationship. I'm confident and happy knowing if things don't work out, I have the tools and knowledge to get back on my feet again.

I preach the methods I used for success. Just because they work for me, does not mean they are perfect for you. I am appealing to the men who want to meet women effortlessly-- an extension of their life, and not its sole purpose.

Ever against the Social Robots,

Czech

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You can meet women effortlessly. Go on the street, there's plenty of women. Being able to GET THEM is not effortlessly. Especially not if you have no idea how to be an alpha-male. And again, because you look for the easiest way out so that you challenge yourself the least and you're looking for the least painful road, you'll just not end up with really high quality girls aka 9's and 10's (if you want to date girls that 90% of guys will never get).