Nice guys need to read this.



Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests
Post new topic Reply to topic   Board index » Tools & Techniques of Game: Meeting, Attracting and Seducing Women » Relationships


Forum rules


Relationship Subforum Rules

1. Posts about how to get a girlfriend will result in a ban.


2. Posts about your ex-girlfriend will result in a ban.

3. Any other posts not related to your current girlfriend will result in a ban.



Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:26 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Zealot
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:33 am
Posts: 323
Location: Durham NC
Hey all I just found this on the internet. Thought it was good read for all thows AFC's who wonder why nice guys finish last.



Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS
You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him."

I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.

_________________
Why guys and girls don't mesh.

"Chicks are crazy and guys are dumb." Chinopants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... a_Nno&NR=1


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:26 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Addict
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:20 pm
Posts: 264
Location: Norway
Great post!

I actually felt shivers from time to time while reading this, it reminds me too much of how I used to be.

What's important to point out though, is that this doesn't mean you have to be an asshole. You can (and should to some extent) do things for her, just don't worship her as a god. One of the most important lessons I've learned when it comes to the whole "Nice Guy" thing, where I burned myself over and over a couple of years ago, was that I would constantly agree with what they said. "I like such and such" ... "Oh! Me too!" Yeah, I know, pathetic. Be your own man, don't be afraid to stand up for your beliefs, be confident and have your own interests.

Another quote that's quite similar to the one you've ended it with, but still worth mentioning "How can you ever expect someone to love you, if you don't even love yourself!"

_________________
Alea iacta est - The die has been cast


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:39 pm 
Offline
PUA Forum Leader

Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:32 am
Posts: 960
Location: England
Great post. I used to be a Nice Guy because I never had any real education on how to be a man and thought that helping and being an emotional tampon would let me in, its an incredibly pathetic way to be.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:19 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:12 pm
Posts: 58
Website: http://NbTenterprise.yolasite.com
Location: South Africa
Brings back memories of the day I bought expensive chocolate for a girl that gave me hug 3 times...

I'm glad of how I turned out to be and here is an SMS I got from an ex-GF I dated while I was AFC Haven't seen her in 8 years, she was my first girlfriend and I lost her to another guy after only 4 days of dating. lol, we were 10!. she probably took the effort to get my numbers from Facebook:

"Hey it's *Name Hidden*! Gosh, I miss you. I see that you got a greater sense of self which I greatly admire. it's super cool seeing you so mature and composed. Goodnight Clive"

_________________
Aint no other option... The Best or Nothing!


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:42 am 
Offline
New to MPUA Forum

Joined: Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:48 am
Posts: 10
Location: United States
What I have learned over the years is that be carefree. Don't ever put the woman on a pedestal. Don't treat her like she is the Queen of the world. Tease her, toy with her emotions, treat her like she means nothing to you but don't even make it too easy for her. This doesn't mean that you treat her like trash. There is a way to be carefree yet loving towards a woman. It's a process.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:21 pm 
Offline
New to MPUA Forum

Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:54 am
Posts: 5
I too was once a nice guy. And from time to time I feel the sucker coming back. But as it turns out, I learned things the hard way and ended up getting divorced. So now when the nice guy starts to creep, I also feel the disgust for all the misery that he put me through, usually that is enough to keep him at bay.

_________________
-Baddo


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:15 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast

Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:47 am
Posts: 38
Great post. Sad thing is even PUAs, Alphas... everybody.... is insecure on some level.... it really just comes down to how you let it show... and enough faking makes that less the case BUT NOBODY is completely "secure"


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:04 am 
Offline
New to MPUA Forum

Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:45 pm
Posts: 10
Damn.. That's exactly like I am... And it's also the reason I lost my ex I think. But I'm trying to change. I'm reading through the inner game part of the forum and hopefully it'll help. Any tips are very welcome though :)


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:55 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:20 pm
Posts: 60
Good post, I certainly identify with some of the stuff in there. Luckily in my life I managed to identify it and move forward.

Honestly this is the first and hardest step, realise if the person described above is YOU. Admit the problem and you can fix it.

There is a fine balance to be struck here I think, between being confident and strong, and if you play it right you can still be a nice guy. The upshot of it is that you must find your confidence from within. In my experience I was a nice guy, I was friend zoned, boring, overly nice, unintentionally manipulative etc etc and it did not get me far. Put me through the ringer with a couple of miserable relationships but you come through and grow.

To break out of a nice guy mentality you need to find value for yourself. Find that self confidence boost, get in shape, follow your passions, know where to draw the line, be someone you are actually proud of. If the upshot is you become a bit of an arrogant dick then so much the better. Exercising humility is far easier than faking confidence.

Most importantly, be confident in what you want. If you want to take a girl out and bring her flowers etc you can do that, it just has to be because you want to give her flowers. It isn't an expectation of sex, or some other form of re-payment (implicit or otherwise, this is the nice guy reason to buy her nice shit). You will convey this only by genuinely being comfortable for her to think the opposite. You really, honestly, have to not give a shit because you KNOW who you are and where you stand. If you can be THAT type of nice guy then you will attract high quality women.

Great book on this subject is 'No More Mr. Nice Guy' by Robert Glover. One of like 3 self help books I've ever thought worth the time to read.


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:20 pm 
Offline
New to MPUA Forum

Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:45 pm
Posts: 10
Quote:
Good post, I certainly identify with some of the stuff in there. Luckily in my life I managed to identify it and move forward.

Honestly this is the first and hardest step, realise if the person described above is YOU. Admit the problem and you can fix it.

There is a fine balance to be struck here I think, between being confident and strong, and if you play it right you can still be a nice guy. The upshot of it is that you must find your confidence from within. In my experience I was a nice guy, I was friend zoned, boring, overly nice, unintentionally manipulative etc etc and it did not get me far. Put me through the ringer with a couple of miserable relationships but you come through and grow.

To break out of a nice guy mentality you need to find value for yourself. Find that self confidence boost, get in shape, follow your passions, know where to draw the line, be someone you are actually proud of. If the upshot is you become a bit of an arrogant dick then so much the better. Exercising humility is far easier than faking confidence.

Most importantly, be confident in what you want. If you want to take a girl out and bring her flowers etc you can do that, it just has to be because you want to give her flowers. It isn't an expectation of sex, or some other form of re-payment (implicit or otherwise, this is the nice guy reason to buy her nice shit). You will convey this only by genuinely being comfortable for her to think the opposite. You really, honestly, have to not give a shit because you KNOW who you are and where you stand. If you can be THAT type of nice guy then you will attract high quality women.

Great book on this subject is 'No More Mr. Nice Guy' by Robert Glover. One of like 3 self help books I've ever thought worth the time to read.
Hello, I've been reading this book now and it really describes me. However,some of the exercises, like the sexual addiction groups are just not possible to do here. So I wonder if just a good friend would be a good alternative? And how long did it take you to get out of that Nice Guy mentality?


Top
   
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:40 am 
Offline
MPUA Forum Enthusiast

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:20 pm
Posts: 60
ive pm'd you mr nice guy. lets move it to that to keep this thread nice and relevant :)


Top
   
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:06 am 
Offline
New to MPUA Forum
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:46 am
Posts: 17
This is me down to a tee. :cry:
I have just purchased the book & will read it over the weekend.

Most of the info in this site can be summed up in one word - counter intiutive.

_________________
Dude - If you will it, it is no dream


Top
   
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:57 am 
Offline
Member of MPUA Forum

Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:51 am
Posts: 156
There's nothing wrong with being a nice guy.

But it depends on how you are being nice to your girl.

Yes, maybe some are insecure but there are nice guys that are confident but unfortunately had a relationship with a wrong girl.

However, guys can still be nice despite bad experiences. Just be wise not just nice.


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

Can we be honest?

We want your email address. Let me send you the best seduction techniques ever devised... because they are really good.
close-link