Ok back to business keep it civil.

Skills:


Dude I don't want to diss you, this is not an insult, but you are trying to teach non verbal seduction / communication and you need a very rich and expressive language to do it.

You need a deep understanding of all these abstract non verbal communication ideas and then expressing them in a way that they will be clear to others. It's about the depth of expression.

I'm telling you, it's just not there. And it's not an insult because English is not your first language. (it's not mine either but never mind)

For example WHERE do you express the idea that dancing flirtation time equals conversation time? That flirting = emotions and that taking the girls thru many different emotions (which you don't talk about!) equals getting to know each other? My explanations expresses this accurately, you don't express this at all.

You don't talk at ALL about the flirtation part, for you all dancing equals flirtation - which is not true. There is regular dancing, and there is FLIRTING, where do you make this distinction?

Again, you might THINK that you do, but you don't. You simply don't have the richness of language to express it (or even understand it) even that YOU THINK that you do.

You dance with guys... you do "fun dancing guy" game. I never would dance with a guy...

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Please show me where you write to EJECT on a girl who is kissing you. Tell me page number. Ether tell me a page number or forever shut up about me copying you, because ejecting on a girl, even if she is kissing you, is the heart of my whole method.

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Now another thing: the only coincidence is that now after so many months I travel alone again and could work on my dance floor game the way I do. So suddenly it all came together. Also I was in Bucharest two months ago, in the city center, alone, where there are maybe 25 clubs and bars. It was the first night I went it and out in and out of many 15 bars, and rotated them, dancing with girls and ejected if they were not DTF. It was before I read your book (was it even out then?) and you KNOW that I hardly checked this forum in almost a year. Dude I only read your posts when you reply to me, I don't read the conversations you have with others.

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One last thing - I already developed my method further than the original post, it's already more evolved. I again pulled last night and I realized that what is even more important than the DTF signs is the fact that the girl can dance for a long period of time and that she doesn't only dance but can "flirt dance".

(I know Skills will disagree with me, I will get to it in a second)

A girl who is DTF but cannot dance - is hardly any good for me. (she is good for YOU Skills, not for me, again I will explain why is a second)

When I go into a venue I need to first look for the girls who are good enough dancers that they can sustain this "dancing flirtation" / dance-off with me for at least 30 minutes and optimally 90-120 minutes.

Because dance time = connection time, and if the girl is DTF but can't dance for shit, or has low energy, I won't have enough time to connect with her and escalate enough so she would let me pull her to the room that night.

It's not only about dance skill and stamina - she needs to be a girl who "gets it" and with who I can "dance flirt with" - or it won't work.

You can see this in the girls body movement and dancing so I will now open them regardless if I get an IOI from them, because they are the best prospects.

So NOW (updated system) I'll scan first not for DTF, but for "flirt dancing skills" / stamina, will look for such girls and will open them first.

They are also the girls who will respond to my dancing best because they can recognize me as a good dancer / guy they can connect with instantly.

So we will start to dance and THEN I'll look for the IOI and DTF signs. Then eject if needed.

Again - if a girl is DTF, but can't dance, she's not a good prospect for me because I won't be able to have a two hours dance-off / flirting non verbal conversation with her.

You MUST understand that there are TWO types of dance - regular dance and "flirting dance" - I posted a video on the other thread you can SEE what "flirting dance" is. It's totally different than regular dance. You need a girl who can flirt - not a girl who can just dance. Again - this is needed for SNL - because you need that "flirt dance" time to count as "conversation and connection time"

(complex theoretical ideas - I know - but grasp this and you'll be a dance-floor god)

So my upgraded method is -

1) Scan venue for best dancers (stamina / flirt dancing) - approach them first.
2) Start dancing with them - look for IOI and DTF signs. If not there - eject.
3) If IOI and DTF signs are there - proceed.

If I can't find in a venue such dancers - girls who I think can dance for two hours - I will then look for the girls who just like me and will proceed as original post.

NOW WHY SKILLS WON'T AGREE WITH ME -

Because:

1) for you it won't matter that they are not good dancers, because you don't grasp the flirtation aspect deeply enough. This will go above your head I think.

2) Because your system is not geared so strongly for SNL, but generally for getting numbers and hooking up. You don't understand that for a SNL - you need this other level of communication, so you don't care for it as I do.

3) You will claim that you SNLed girls who could not dance for shit, and I believe you, but you've been doing this for 20 years so you probably did everything.

4) If you just dance with a girl, not "flirt dance" - you can still get her number and convert her. NO PROBLEM. That's what YOU do and it's OK. But again, not good for SNL.

IT IS POSSIBLE probably to pull a SNL with girl who can't flirt-dance - but it will be high risk and much more work.

Skills, what I'm saying is - if you want to increase the chance for a SNL - you should find girls you can dance with for at least 30-120 minutes. The long time spent together dancing will increase the chance that she'll be DTF that night, not some other time.

Now I eject so quickly on girls, that I think I danced just a total of 5 minutes last night before finding the right girl who fucked me. I literally need 10 seconds with a girl to know if it will work or not.

If she likes me + she can dance flirt - 80% I will fuck her that night. It's that simple and I can recognize these two factors within seconds.

That's it. Another proof that I didn't steal anything from you. And who knows how far I'm going to take this, every day I discover new things.

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Phangan i said what i had to say about the subject, i already exposed you... Unfortunately, i can not continue with this back and forth since some of the mods, here are extremely sensitive... There was a 20 page dance post here done by juice, every possible idea was discuss there, there are about 100s of dance floor posts and books out there... What you posted, is IDENTICAL, to what i have been doing, maybe is a coincidence, but your timing sucks, i will leave like that dude...

In dance floor game you do everything that you do in regular game but barely speaking mainly body language is on the book, about the ejection is explained better that what you did, dude English is my second language and?, what is needed to be said without mental masturbation is there, i do not want people to go from step a, b, c ,d cause is NOT EFFICIENT, all situations are different, this is the last of my responses...This is not about my book, and your opinion since as i said is irrelevant, you been doing this 20 years slept with every type of girl there is all over the world, so it is what it is, your dance flirtation is you doing your thing, just like in every method people will do their own thing, the whole structure and system is a water down copy of my shit... Already a dude that follows my stuff expose, Phangan do you know i teach this shit on the field, right, do you know that i have been in clubs with hundreds of naturals, my shit is my shit, and is pretty unique, but again it may be a coincidence.... This is my last response, and telling a dude to "love bubble" and do what you did you need to understand that the probability of that working is low, and really has no effect in the seduction, but skills how do you know? cause i do something similar, is SITUATIONAL....Time efficiency is king so if you are escalating and making out with the girl and you goal is snl, and you can feel that is not gonna happen eject, for me to break that down in a book, is silly, since is COMMON SENSE, dude, read most of your post and you kind of complicate things, what i am doing is giving a general concept, people take it and adapt it how they wish, that is why the book as you say is all over the place with different examples of all type of seducers that pick in a club scenario, cause i am not MYSTERY and i do not want clones, that is not effective, stop picking on my shit, when your game is a weak as attempt of my stuff dude.... Be ORIGINAL, do you, your style your love bubble and filtration your 007 go ahead do it invent a method or adapt a method, BUT DO NOT COPY MY SHIT, but i guess i am too late, i am done with this....STOP MISQUOTING AND MISREPRESENTING ME AND MY GAME, PLEASE ENOUGH! DO NOT EVEN BRING UP MY NAME...

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Skills, this: 007-game-origins-bucharest-vt147772.html

Is the first time I did this type of dancefloor game consciously, it was the 29th of June. Before that I didn't have a "method" really, I more or less did "bar game" on the dance-floor, danced, pulled out to talk... bla bla bla. Nowhere near the model I'm doing now, which I started doing that night in Romania.

Actually maybe I owe it all to Stelar because he spoke about how easy it is to get laid in Bucharest and I just HAD to pull it off there, so I went out like that on a "mission", trying to prove something to myself.

I took from Roosh V the idea of a "fuck funnel", when a girl tells him "what do you do here?" he says "drug, sex and rock and roll" and then if the girl doesn't like his answer he ejects on her. He speaks about these tests that he does during the conversation and according to the girl's reaction he decides if to stay or not... so I transferred it to the dancefloor. I also remembered reading somewhere that SA911 said that if a girl lets you cup her ass it's a strong sign that she's DTF...

Then in Ayia Napa I've put everything together and accelerated it times 1000. If you read the posts on the blog you can see how first I used to pull girls out of the club for a chat, then after 3-4 days I dropped it. First 3 nights I couldn't pull, then in the 4th night it all came together and for the rest of the month I pulled on all but 3 or 4 nights I was out. You can read on the blog how I added the "mandatory alcohol" test, how I realized the difference between "just dancing" and "flirt dancing"... it's all there in the posts, realization after realization. I'm sure some of them were inspired by you as well....

Anyway, I'm resting now at home for a couple of week... then back on the road again

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