For my 501th post... Look at these videos, they are from two nights ago.

This is to demonstrate the discussion here:

www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/1-vt146691.html

This is what I talk about when I say "dance flirtation". Not every girl does this, some girls get it more than others. The thing is that when I find a girl who does, and she sees that I get it, then we shift gears to this kind of dancing / communication. It kicks in like a switch that turns to "on". I can literally see it happen in front of my eyes.

She is not just dancing here. She is dancing for me, not just for fun, or for herself. She is trying to seduce me. Similarly I dance/seduce/flirt with her but you can't see it. It's me making the video. I will take her thru a range of emotions - I'll be soft, then violent, then sexy, then let her chase me, then will chase her, then will run my fingers all over her body, then grab her hair, etc etc etc.

She does it in a very feminine way, I do it in a very masculine sexy way.

Now because for girls emotions = communication - it is as if we're having a conversation. In fact it's not "as if" - we ARE having a conversation, we actually get to know each other thru the dance.

When it's this sort of dancing / flirtation: dance time = conversation time.

So after two hours of dancing like this the girl feels that she actually knows me. And in a way - she does! Maybe better than if I would have expressed myself in words. That's the beauty of seducing in dance - with your body language, eyes and touch.

So then I can pull the girl out of the club, directly to my room, without saying a single word to each other. We already spoke for two hours with our bodies... after that - who needs words?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghYMHCEtRE0[/youtube]

Look how she backs off, then turns around to show me her back so I'll "chase" her. Then she starts playing with her hair, covers her face, looks at me seductively, flicks her hair again, then I go in for the makeout.

2nd video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPC8MqtkC6Q[/youtube]

Here she plays with her hands, covers her eyes, etc.

3rd video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERq5JHdy_RQ[/youtube]

She goes to make some move but drops her purse. Darn.

We danced / madeout for 15 minutes, then me or her wondered off, I don't even remember. She saw that I was making videos of her, maybe it freaked her out (it would freak me out!). Maybe that's why I didn't bang her.... look what sacrifices I make for this "community". Haha. I don't remember exactly what happened because I go thru 3-7 girls like this, every single night.

Two minutes later I met someone else - went into it and pulled within 25 minutes. She was again Hungarian, I didn't know her name until she woke up the next day.

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I want to see a video of u dancing. If not, can you give me a link to a good vid of someone else

I'm clueless when it comes to dancing...

I'm traveling alone so it's super hard for me now to make a video, I will try. Check out Skills360 posts he posted some vids I think.

I can't believe not more people comment on this. This is such a huge theoretical leap when it comes to dance-floor game (the distinction between "dancing" and "flirt-dancing") I think it's the biggest realization the "community" came up with in years.

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I am going to pop in here as a body language guy.

You bringing the camera to the situation changes the reaction. A woman looking for attention will light up. Most women looking for attention tend to be down to fuck. You changed the context of the situation by throwing in a variable, their behavior was no longer natural.

The old fashion number game concept is similar eventually you'll find a willing participant to prove your point.

You don't make a point at all to be honest with you. I can go into any place with a camera tell a girl to dance for my buddy that stayed home sick and she'll do that. I've got girls to do all sorts of shit for a camera, kiss, say dirty shit, tons of things, it was just for the attention.

When it comes to identifying sexual or flirtatious dancing it's really simple: Look for her to emphasize her sexuality.

- She will rattle her hips more- There is a difference when she is attracted to the near by guy
- Shoulder movement - Think of Marilyn Monroe and her shoulder
- Pressing out her chest - Emphasizing Youth and her ability to be a strong young mate
- Eye contact - Showing you she is interested by repeated interest
- Preens - Adjusting her appearance to appear more attractive and bring attention to her hips
- Submissive signals - Throw exposure, look down, shoulder shrug, wrist exposure, etc.
- Space - If she is drawn to you like a magnet she is attracted, she doesn't need to stand near you.

Nothing changes on a dance floor, base lining is very key when it comes to checking on a girls dancing though. Does she usually emphasize her hips this much or is she doing it for you?

Honestly, you sound like you practice a numbers game. You identify girls more likely to fuck tonight, then keep trying until one says yes. That isn't really the same as becoming attractive through good dancing, initial attraction, etc. I'd bet you make out with a lot of girls but don't fuck very many in comparison. In other words your close rate isn't really that high, in fact I'd suspect it is relatively low. I've read where you've talked about making out with 2-3 girls in a night, which only further proves my point that you are substandard in this area. You shouldn't need to make out with that many girls to seal a deal consistently.

If you learn to build sexual tension properly there is no last minute resistance, the passion is to high, there is just sex. There is some push pull but if you are still having problems sealing the deal after making out you are fucking up somewhere, especially in your circumstance where you have the benefit of getting rid of Anti-slut defense because she doesn't have to worry about it haunting her.

Note: For people emotions = Communication If not we'd all be sociopaths.

I've stopped myself from tearing down your post several times by stopping half way through them because honestly I sounded like an asshole and I'd prefer that not be peoples perception of me, however you aren't really that knowledgeable or impressive when it comes to game. You have some solid thoughts but you don't have any basis for a lot of your shit, and some of is down right chauvinistic. You say shit like girls are emotional men aren't, complete and utter bull shit lines that prove nothing more than your overall ignorance.

You should realize you aren't as cool or as good as you think, you need to humble yourself because you honestly consistently make ignorant unintelligent remarks that really reflect poorly on the community. You have 500 posts, like what 70 threads and what 7 votes? This is because you don't provide that valued or good of information, it is a weird way to look at it but you should realize the value of your information in the community is very low.

My only goal with this post is to take you down a notch because your arrogance and at times chauvinistic behavior on here can be completely asinine at times.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Yes, I could ask a girl to dance for me like that.

But guess what, I didn't, and she danced like this before I took it out. And this is how all the girls I dance with dance. They dance like this because I bring it out of them. YOU CAN EVEN SEE IN ONE OF THE VIDEOS SHE DOES A CROSS WITH HER FINGERS (NO NO SIGN) because she didn't like me doing it. So she gave me a "no no" and then you claim she was dancing for the camera?

Idiot...

And my pulling rate is ridiculous, last night I danced with just 3-4 girls, for maybe 10-60 seconds each, before ejecting and finding the right one. I used to make out with 3 girls a night, I don't even need that anymore because I can recognize who I can have a dance-off and seduce within seconds, and I go for girls that I also like. So there isn't anything wrong with it.

You have no idea how I dance. Every single girl I dance with asks me if I'm professional. And I'm not. You really have no idea what I've been doing here so really you should have gone with your original feeling man because you do come off as an asshole.

If you're going to start saying shit like "you asked the girl to dance for you!" and "i don't believe your numbers!" then I won't answer you, I don't have time for bullshit. 3 girls in 3 nights straight and 7 SNL of out of 10 nights out are all I need to know that my system works and I don't care what you think, you're just a hater it comes off in the entire post.

" You say shit like girls are emotional men aren't "

where did I say this? now you put words in my mouth. You're an idiot I'm not answering you anymore.

"If you learn to build sexual tension properly there is no last minute resistance, the passion is to high, there is just sex."

again, you're being an idiot. In half of my posts I write that I get no LMR, it happened once in the last 10 nights. I take girls out of clubs without talking with them a single word and they give me no LMR. You didn't read all my posts even, you said you only read half, so shut the fuck up. You sound like a keyboard jockey.

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Victor, I saw your website and photo, you're a computer jockey, that's why the so many posts about theory. God so much stuff on that blog about theory, anybody who is actually going out would never have time for so much shit. So you ever go out? Any LR that you posted?

Leave me alone dude, I don't think you ever get laid.

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