Update…I’ve been avoiding calling or texting her. Basically, we have been in contact in the last few days but always by her iniciative.
But tonight, the text qty went by the roof…I was always teasing her and she was replying in the same wave length. But, after half an hour I decided to cut it so I told her that to have a convo by sms was way too expensive so I will stop the texts.
No reply. (probable shit test)

In this “conversation” she said she will invite me tomorrow to see her new wall paper in the living room. Tomorrow, usually is the day when her daughter is not home so I’d like your advise on how to deal with it.
If her daughter is at home, well, I get my answer. If not…As I tried to explain before (although I’m not sure if the message was clearly understood) there are some cultural issues and I may risk some troubles if I jump all over her in her own house (although I’m tempted to ). There is that possibility and I don’t want to go that way.

Obviously, I will tease her again because she seems to like it. But how do you think I could escalate in order to make her excited to the point of putting some stains in the new wall paper?

meet new women, stop caring so much about if it works out with this particular one and make a move already or you are destined for eternal friend zone, she is well aware by now if she'd sleep with you or not, it's not like procrastinating forever out of fear and being an a-sexual guy is doing you any favors in terms of sleeping with this girl, you're simply protecting your ego
no if her daughter is home it doesn't mean shit, it is just about as irrelivant as if the daughter isn't home, it would be suprising if this girl actually thinks you'd do anything to her at this point, you're just not taking any risks and obviously not meeting enough new women, in what culture exactly is it that women don't like sex? ohh right... not a single one on earth

that outta get you somewhere, teasing and joking, keeping it safe... that'll really get her horny, good ol teasing and joking with no touching or indication at all that you are interested in sex, then one day out of no where you're going to try something really big with no escalation or tell her you love her or something expecting a reaction and... BAM SUPRISE, she's gonna be like WTF?... where did that come from?, it's been like forever and you haven't tried anything, wasn't expecting this

why don't you just simply, sit her down somehwere to watch a movie, and put your arm around her, get comfy and cuddle up, watch the movie, and after some time getting comfortable cuddling up, just turn to her and then kiss her on the cheek, and if that all goes fine say something to her so she looks at you and kiss her on the mouth, stop being so afraid and just make something happen so you know if she wants to make something happen too, no matter the culture or where you are in the world, women have just as much of a desire to have sex as you do, it makes no difference, people are designed to have sex, the question is though, does she want to have sex with you, and you will have to take the damn leap of faith to find out, and the longer you take to find out, the weirder it will be when you finally do something and the more time you waste, if she isn't interested you could have talked to like a million new girls in the time you have been wasting on this one particular girl, and if she is interested in you, you could have banged her like 100 years ago

There were some developments today but I won't bother to describe them. At this point I simply lost the drive to attempt anything with this girl. So, I've officialy fucked up this one.
This is my fault, obviousy, and I think you're right...I'm protecting my ego.

I wonder how an AFC that is used to ear no's can have such a huge ego.
Or maybe I've nerver heard enough no's by following a self-protection strategy.

hearing alot of no's can have an negative impact on your self esteem, this can harm your ego and make you more reluctant to escalate when you have set up the belief that escalating results in failure, and failure results in a negative emotion, and this hurts your ego

but there is a solution to this problem, the solution is condition yourself to stop emotionally investing so much in girls before you escalate, you invest yourself emotionally, then when you hear that ''no'' it has more of an impact on you, lowers your self esteem, and your ego becomes harmed in the process

it's not about how many no's, it's about getting those no's before they matter to you and continuously doing so until your self esteem is not effected by hearing a no, and your ego can remain intact and unharmed

it might sound somewhat misogynistic, but start just thinking of girls as a means to an end with that end being sex, just approach en mass, every girl is not to be paid attention to with any actual investment on your end, until you have had sex with her, if you want to attach and become friends and emotionally become involved, then do so after sex

just start approaching girls, state your intentions (you approached her because you find her attractive and have sexual intentions), then start getting to know her to see if she is the right kind of girl, invite these girls out on dates, go on the dates, kiss the girls, try to get them home, have sex with them

if you are ever really considering 1 girl and thinking of her more then any others and you haven't had sex with her, do yourself a favor and just delete her number and all of the ways you have to contact her (this means you are getting ''needy'' for her), and make sure you are at a bare minimum, meeting 1 new girl a day, seriously1 NEW GIRL, NEW.... SERIOUSLY NEW NOT OLD and maintain that habit, shoot for more then 1 a day, but bare minimum 1 until you have a good 10+ girls that are actually contacting you and in the rotation for dates (you should still keep going out even at this point), just keep meeting more and more girls until you are happy with your sex life, and once again, don't get attached until after sex, it makes walking away or taking risks, much much much harder

if you don't know where to start
the-newbie-mission-vt41556.html
pumpingtons-stop-being-a-pussy-motivati ... tivational
these two threads can be of help

About this girl I didn’t heard a No but, as you’ve said before, she might be surprised if I escalate now…in fact, I won’t be surprised if she’s thinking right now that I’m the one putting her in the friend zone.
Having said this, anything I would do now won’t matter. So, it’s better to leave it as it is.

I’m not needy about her and I’m not hungry or sad or anything because she said no. I’m just pissed at myself because I’m the way I am and how I’ve dealt with this. So, at this moment my self-esteem is bruised not because she’s acting as a No, but because I’m not good at this “game”.

you can do this man, you can get better

ok, here is an idea for you, give yourself 2 weeks of avoiding this girl to clear your head about this, when you are feeling more indifferent towards her, give her a shout, invite her over to your house to watch a movie, do what is suggested a few posts about while watching a movie, stop worrying about if she is ok with it, if she says yes, if she says no

if you walk away without trying, it is the exact same thing as her saying no, both result in no sex, you have already come so far and put so much effort in, you might as well see how it pans out, you literally have nothing to lose by attempting and only possibly something to gain

also, if you do what I suggest and start really going for alot of girls without investing, you will just sort of hit rock bottom, and develop a stronger sense of self, after a while you just realize that who you are is not based on how girls react to you, and this will come from seeing different variations of responses, the more girls you talk to, the more you will see positive/negative/confused reactions and your ego can come to the rationalization that it is not that you suck that you get negative reactions, it is that different girls have different opinions, and their opinions do not matter, what you think about yourself matters, and after some sex and fun times approaching, you can associate something positive to the process, you will start to want to go for it, rather then not go for it, because by that point you have been rejected and accepted soo many times, that you just want to reach your goal and the rejections are totally irrelevant, it just becomes screening, is this girl good?, is this girl not good?, next girl or continue?, over and over and over, no attachment and you get more and more picky as you go, because approaching takes less emotional strain on you, it's just easier to approach a new girl and screen harder the next time until you find what you were looking for, and then you can place a real effort where it is deserved and attach to that girl with vigor (if that is your goal, mutual connection and attachment)

Thanks for the tips.
Now both our kids are going to start school so this means a lot of work for me and her. So, we won't see each other so often.

The key is to be "who cares?". I have a girl who jumped on me once and then told me "you act as if you don't care, but you can't foll me." The true was: I really din't care. This was 8 years ago and she's a fuck buddy until today.
Maybe I'll give her a call this weekend.

NOW!

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Case 1: She's dumb

If she's not smart/intelligent, you probably will not have much of an emotional bonding with her. Therefore, a relationship would be a failure. So if her dumbness is the reason behind her lack of contribution to your conversations/relation, forget her and move on.

Case 2: You want FWBs

So she's dumb/smart but you find her essentially attractive physically. Very well. Wham bam thankyou sam. Intelligence should not concern you in this case at all. Neither should her contribution.

Case 3: She's genuinely not interested in you

If this is the case, I see no reason why you're trying to force yourself upon her. If there was a period during which she was really interested in you and showed a high level of emotional engagement, well, the correct thing to do would be to be a challenge and let her miss you. If not, and if she has never shown a lot of interest in you, again, it's time for you to move on my friend.

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Women are plenty, time is not.

Altough I have occasional contact with her (she's my next door neighbour so it's hard not to), I've moved on.

Do you have a new target?

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Yes, I always have a target…I planning to meet my fuck buddy this weekend (not really a target) and an ex co-worker to whom I’ll call tomorrow. She work until late so I’ll give it a shot.

BTW, the girl that motivated this thread, I found out by mere accident that she’s being fucked by some other guy.

If you're spending every day with a woman you haven't f-closed yet, that is bad news.

You need to escalate to sex like RIGHT NOW or she will lose interest. The only thing worse than escalating too soon then getting blown out is escalating too late by letting her feelings die a slow death.

To me, she's gone now. I need a new one.

They are everywhere

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