So I met this hb 9 who is 19 and from France while ago and we went on a date. I thought it went well but since we didn't kiss I think it failed. So she didn't accept the second date but she never says not either.
Anyways, tonight I was in a bar flirting with a sexy hb, she saw me again and started like hugging and aying like what a what a coincidence etc...
I have to mention she didn't let me grab her hand at the end of first date. But tonight I grabed her hand and she didn't have any problem and we went out of club.
So I started to kin her heavily. I had my both hand on her ass and back and grabbing her hard. While saying sexy shit like : I can't help of kissing you and etc.
Anyways, we chat up for a bit and this is a part of conversation:
ME:we should meet up again.
HB:well ,maybe but what's the plan and where?
ME:At my place
HB: doing what?
Me:having fun
HB: what kind of fun?
ME:playing bord games getting drunk etc..
HB: I don't wanna get drunk but I like playing board games blah balh...

Anyways, again we talked for a while and she told me she has a BF and but we can be friends. I knew she was bullshiting because on Saturday night she was with her friends (all girls). I event told her let's go back to my place she was like I can't leave my friends I promised them since it was one of her friends birthday.
So At the end I told her
ME:I am not looking for friend and I have enough friends.
HB: But you just talk to all of girls like tonight and you just want to have fun
ME: yes I want to have fun but when I ask you to come out with me it's serious but if you like to be friends I am sorry
HB: So you want to forget me?
ME: me yes,I'll.
The whole conversation she was between my hands while my hand was on her ass or back and rubbing her.
At the end I hugged her and told her if she changed her mind let me know and I left her.
So I have never been friend zone before and I thought it never happens. But am I really friend zoned? since she told me she is playing hard.
Also could I have done better with her and is there anything I could do at this point?
Thank you guys in advance,

A few random thoughts:

1. Obviously I can't tell exactly as I wasn't there, but from how you describe it, it doesn't sound like you got friend zoned. It sounds like like you just pushed too far too fast, and she used the friend thing as a way to reject your advances. It sounds like you had attraction, but no connection or comfort.

2. This is good news, it means you've still got a shot with her.
Honestly, if she didn't accept the second date, then you fucked up. Pretty much any response other than her wanting to go on a second date, means you fucked up.


Some girls are just weird about certain things. I've had girls that would give me a blowjob, but wouldn't hold hands with me in public. However, you then say she did let you grab her hand the second night, so it's not that. This is beggining to sound like a lack of comfort/connection...
You are pushing too far, too fast. You need more comfot/connection. "at my place" and "having fun" are obviously hinting at sex. 99% of the time, it needs to "just happen", unless you have got huge attraction and the girl is horny. You needed to say to go for a glass of wine at a bar then take her home after the date. Trying to get her straight over to your place to fuck, is too much of an ask for most girls.


This is what I'm talking about above - you are pushing too far too fast. She likes you, otherwise she wouldn't still be talking to you. If she didn't like you and you said this, she would just find a way to leave, she wouldn't stay around and give reasons why she couldn't. She likes you, but you need to give her reasons you like her. Build a fucking connection - it only takes 15 minutes.
This is your ego stopping you getting laid. You want to have the power and be the powerful one walking away from the conversation on your terms. This way you feel it is not her rejecting your advances, it is you telling her you don't want to be friends and walking away. It's you rejecting her friend advances. This is your male ego talking, and it is literally stopping you getting laid. She is telling you how to win her over: - Translation: you just want to get laid, you don't care about me. Build a connection, and tell her what you like about her other than you want to fuck her. She is hearing that you want to fuck her loud and clear, but she's not hearing any other reasons that you like her. All you had to do was cut the thread here and move into building a connection, but instead you went down the ego route of the "I don't need any more female friends".


Too obvious, she knows you're full of shit when you say this after you've just told her you want to fuck her.
Your ego talking again.


In conclusion, you need to work on telling a girl why you like her. You need confort, trust, and connection. Get to know her while you are touching her up, and you can make a connection while increasing the sexuality. You don't have a problem with leading, touching, or getting sexual, which is good. Most guys suck at these things, so you're doing good there. You need to add a little more nice guy connection into the mix, then you'll be golden.

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i totally agree with Paul T.

Besides, its really bad to say to an hb " lets meet up sometimes" and when she asks you where or when or what you go like " ummm i dunno, my place"

that subcomunicates a lot of DLV and neediness.

first, you want to see her so bad, second, you had no plan where to go or when, as if SHE IS YOUR PLAN. which is putting her on a pedestal already.

Third, "MY PLACE" if you havent built A LOT of conform, this line seems like saying " hey babe, why dont i take you home with back with me where its all closed and shit and i can hope to fuck you"

Instead, you could go like, you know what, tuesday im goin to X place to smoke hooka ( or whatever) so why dont you join and we'll catch up on our conversation.


or ANY random plan where she is NOT the center of attention but your goin out together to have fun and enjoy your time.

Thanks guys for the reply.
Well what happened between me and her is in this thread:
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She didn't want to come on a date again with me, I have no idea why.
She didn't say no but I asked 2 times and she gave me some reasons. My only guess is that the date was boring for her.When I asked her to go out last night she asked me where we want to go and what to do. I told her my place and having fun in a jokingly way.
Also on first date all I did is getting to know her and was a nice guy.At the beginning of the date she came to my place and so she already saw my place so we were in comfort zone but I think I couldn't seduce her enough I don't know why. I think she is hard to get and she is so young.
She is weird in sense that she hold my hand when we were coming out of club but again while I was holding her, her hands were in her pocket. She avoids touching me. But she didn't have any problem when I was touching and rubbing her.Even we were so close that my cock could feel her pussy.
So when she told me "Do you want to forget me?" I realized I was too needy toward her.
Also, she told me she is taking classes from the college which is exactly in front of my house.
I am confused toward her feeling toward me.She gives me some signs and tells me something else.BTW she was born in Sweden and raised in France. Maybe it could be the case.I've heard french girls are not easy to get.
So the big question is do you have any chance with her and if yes what I should do now?

well, i believe that you do have a chance with her.

BUT,
1 - i dont know why you are investing THAT MUCH TIME on one girl. i hope its only for the experience and for the fuck close ! ad i certainly hope she's an HB 9 or more

2 - she is doina lot of shit tests, she is testing you to see how u respond to every thing or situation she creates for u.

3 - dont ask her for a date in a CLASSIC fashion. be casual and tell her to join u to a random activity.

4 - you came off TOO needy by touching her directly without escalating to this phase. she may have accepted few times, maybe because she was tipsy, or maybe because she felt that AT THAT MOMENT, buts its not a real robust feeling.

5 - i believe you have to game her more, more DHV for your self, more NON boring topics, routines and NEGS. NEG HER MAN, i hope you did that already. let her Qualify her self to you.

anyways, she is clearly giving you IOIs and you should deal with it in an Alpha way.

most importantly, enjoy, have fun and DONT BE ATTACHED TO THE OUTCOME !

@mighty:
1-I want to f close her for the experience of learning.I like her style and I like young girls .

2-I think so too.

3-Since she is young I think the same way.She is bored by classic dating. She wants to have fun and the first date was boring for her because of that.

4-this is right, she is so touchy when she is drunk and tipsy but when she is not tipsy or drunk she is harder to touch at least toward me.

5- I didn't neg her at all since I didn't believe in it maybe that was the problem. But she did qualify herself in date and even last night.

I think I shouldn't contact her for 1 week and see if she initiates the texting or calling.
Any ideas?