Alright, so over the weekend me and a few co workers ended up going to this bar for Trivia night. Me and one of my friends ended up getting there about half an hour earlier than everyone else. So while we are waiting he's getting all anxious about our friends not showing up. And I'm telling him we are early calm the fuck down. So to kind of mess with him each time someone came in I would go, "oh there is so and so".

So I did this a couple of times and on one of the times (this cute 24 year old about 7 or this chick comes in. She notices us and comes over to chat us up. She jokes around how she's not Craig the usual guy that runs the trivia night. So we joke back at one point I even ask, "so do you go by any other names other then Craig". She smiles and says, "Renae".

There are a couple of things I noticed out of this. Out of the two of us she was giving me a good amount of attention, two she did the hair stroke. She did it just once and she did it when I looked at her. (At the time I was just messing around with my cell so I was half ignoring her and half paying attention.) And the third thing she did she asked if she knew me from some where and I never seen this chick like ever. So I assumed it was some line to get me to talk to her. We do talk a bit more, whatever.

So our friends finally arrive and she begins hosting the trivia night shit. At this point I'm just trying to think of what to say to try and seal the deal. Luckily for me one of my friends that came in tells me he went to high school with her. So I get some information and I go up to her during one of the intermissions.

So I grab a seat, sit down and I go and start this, "you aren't going to believe this but sometimes I have these psychic visions". I tell her how I know about her and she starts laughing and just assumed I went to high school with her. Anyways long story short I asked for her number and I basically tell her so I can talk to her when she's not busy. This is where things start not looking so hot. It seemed like she was about to give me her number but instead said just to look her up on facebook. She told me just to grab my phone and look her up and we can talk there. I pull up my phone and sure enough it's dead (ran out of juice). So she cuts a piece of paper and writes down her full name. I grab it I tell her I'll hit her up the next day she smiles and tells me, "seeing how you're psychic you probably know this already but I'll be here in 2 weeks. So remember to come see me."

Anyways, I go back to my friends and for the rest of the night I don't say anything to her and just go home. I think this is where I messed up, I think I should've reinforce the fact that she should expect my message tomorrow. But I don't I leave it at that and eventually leave without saying anything. At one point she even looks at directly at me, wasn't sure if that was like a signal t come over or what not. But regardless, I never say anything else to her.

The next day I don't message her immediately. I woke up late and I then just go work out for a few hours with some friends. I finally sent her a message and friend request on facebook. And as of today this is day two I don't get a single response from her.

So anyways, I thought I handled most of the night well. But could use some feedback to see what I could've done better. How did I fuck up? What could I have done to seal the deal where she was anxiously waiting for me? And should I try to hit her up again or just learn from the experience?

No suggestions?

Alright, so seeing how I never got a response, I'm just going to assume I did, ok and she just missed out. Anyways, I tried it again, this time in the realm of online dating. My first message this time was very generic and about one of her pictures. I was like "wow, I never seen someone so adventurous do yada yada, what made you do it." This is a different girl, not the same one as in my first post.

Surprisingly I got a response, it was as short as mines was. So this time I ended up putting a lot more thought into the second message. I noticed something we both did and worked very hard on and I figure that it could be a connection. So this time sent out a well thought out line about her profile, asking her different questions etc. And tossing a little bit about why I sent her a message vs some other chick and what set her profile apart from them.

I got another response with about the same length and we began to message one another. Then the messages stopped, so I thought it was game over. So I sent her a quick message saying, "hey, haven't heard from you in awhile, I hope everything is ok.". She responded back and we began to talk and I even ended up getting her number.

At this point things are going well, but now I'm not sure if I should be focusing on building attraction, setting up a date or just getting to know her more. Thoughts? I did do one thing I think that I made an error. The last message she sent me she goes on to talk about her relationship with some dude, basically I brushed it off and basically said not even going to talk about that and tried shifting the topic to something else. And then I sent her this goofy video of "Oh Dayum" on youtube to try and lighten things. But now I wonder if she got the wrong impression. And I'm not sure how to proceed, any advise would be most appreciated.

PS: I'm into her, she seems like a great girl and definitely want to see where this goes.

Alright as for the first girl trivia night. It sounds like she was showing interest, but be sure not to over analyze signals (she might just be scratching her head). You did get something out of it, but next time go for the number or nothing. Let her know this it shows your not a push over, she could have easily given you her number if you told her too give it too you. Sounds like your game could use a little more dominance.

As for Facebook game messaging to much can lead to friendzoning and fast. Setup an external meeting right away, that way she cant casually bring up her boyfriend. Also make sure you are straight forward with your intentions, clever, and make sure she knows whatever she does with you will be exciting!

Definitely right about the dominance part. I showed a good amount of confidence but I did back down once I felt some resistance so definitely a lesson learned.

As far as the other girl, this is a girl I met on OKCupid. After the 4 messages back and fourth I basically simply said, "I have a good vibe from you, my name is so and so you should give me your number so we can text". And on the following message she did that.

My real question with her is, when should I ask her out on a date. Should I ease into it and just text her for a day or two before I ask her out? What are your thoughts?

Try not to chitchat to much over text, just tell her your going to be at such and such at place at this time, she should meet you there. If you want more of a date, ask her directly and make it sound exciting. Just make sure you are clear in your messages, its very easy to make yourself come off as passive when asking out for a date over text. That's my opinion at least hope it helps.

I asked her out on a date, let's see what's up.

Edit: ok, looks like I'm in. Now to plan a date.

Good job, hope it works out for you.

If the girl said hit me up on facebook say... Sorry i dont have facebook. (my 2 cents, people can chime in)

Alright so I'm sifting through different websites and the following describes where I am in fitness:

Early Intermediate

An early intermediate has noticed some increases in muscle size, and is making consistent progression on the majors lifts. They have achieved a good training rhythm, and are starting to learn which lifts come natural, and which lifts are more of a struggle. They are also starting to sense weaknesses, and may be making minor programming adjustments to address these weaknesses.

Early intermediates are generally ready for more aggressive workouts, such as training 4 days per week using upper/lower style splits that are strength focused, or even 4 day bodybuilding style splits if they find they are making quality muscle gains.

Early intermediates with the primary goal of muscle building who are yet to notice any substantial muscle gains should continue to train 2-3 days per week using fullbody style workouts. At some point while accumulating more strength they will notice their physiques starting to blossom or fill out. At this point they can consider adding another training day and changing approaches.

An early intermediate is generally bench pressing 225 pounds, squatting 275 pounds and deadlifting 315 pounds.

The thing is I'm not shredded or anywhere close to that. I'm progressing and even in the gym noticing IOIs, but I'm still not where I want to be at with the definition. Any tips? I been working out for 6 months now and my workouts have increased from twice a week to 4 times a week. 2 of the day 2 hour + workouts.

PS: When I see definite IOI's in the gym, should I leave it alone or should I give it a go, what's the protocol for this?

I don't know much about working out as I am still learning myself. I would say IOIs in the gym are a good to go, just make sure they are not looking to see if the equipment's free lol. Also make sure to not interrupt there workout pattern. There is some good threads on here you can read about. Not sure what to tell you about your fitness level.

Also saying you don't have facebook is a good idea depending on what outcome you want. If you do get her number after this make a joke of it and say something like "Ha I actually do have facebook".

So I'm doing the online dating, I have some decent photos but I need two photos social proofing me. Any suggestions?

Photos where you are dressed nice, smiling, and are in the middle of a big group show social proof. The best pictures will be from activities you enjoy doing as your enjoyment will show through the photograph. If you have some with good looking girls those are good as well as long as you appear the dominant one. Adventurous photos are good as well, such as sports etc.

Alright quick update on the date that was set between me and this online girl. Originally she wants to go out this coming week. But I noticed our back and fourth conversation is starting to wane. And I actually am the one carrying the conversation. I'm really not sure if this date is going to materialize at this point.

You sound very enthusiastic which is a good thing overall. But you need to work on DHV if you want to start getting anywhere with this. Remember that "Facebook-closing" is a good way for an HB to get rid of you because she can choose whether to respond to your friend request / message or not. Also the very phrase "Friend Request" kind of defines your relationship with her from the start (i.e. You just got LJBF'ed). Remember that texting / online messaging should only be a tool you use to escalate attraction via flirting, being playful and asking provocative questions which could have double meanings etc. The underlying purpose of messaging is to arrange to meet. Rather than put pressure on girls for "dates", tell them when and where you will be hanging out with your buddies (females if possible - *pre-selection) and they will feel less pressure, especially if they're unsure whether they like you or not. Don't reply to texts straight away, or she will think you are a loser with no life of your own. 10 minutes is the minimum time you should wait before replying and it will also keep her guessing and thinking about you when you don't reply.

Some guys may disagree with me, but online dating is more hassle than it's worth IMO.

AFC Hunter Foxe