you get distracted for 1 second (you take a sip from your drink or a buddy says hi). AMOG comes in and takes over your conversation during that second.

she has the right to do it, because you were distracted and conversation officially paused for a second (happens sometimes), so no simple rolling with your eye possible or saying that she's rude to leave you like that possible.

Instead you have to engage in an AMOG-FIGHT / making the AMOG look bad ("you guys are so cute together, can i make a picture of you guys? you look like brother and sister, etc...")

does it make sense to simply turn your back and IGNORE them both?

this is dangerous, because the AMOG might be good, then you lose her while you are ignoring her. but what if you think you are 10x more attractive than the AMOG and you think this is a shit test by the girl? It might even go wrong although it started as a shit test, the girl might like the guy later, even when he's less attractive, he might have good game)

what to do once you ignore HB+AMOG, only options are:
- do nothing, pretend to enjoy standing by yourself without staring to anybody to stay in your own frame (you will look lonely but not desperate, she might come back to you, if you have patience)
- pretend to have better stuff to do, send a text message on your phone (might come accross as fake thus insecure)
- talk to an uglier girl or guy in proximity -wont be a hotter girl, because chances are low that these are in proximity- (this might also come accross as fake, because no alpha male will trade an HB for an UG or stranger guy and act is if he didnt care)

another problem of ignoring is that you cannot glance at her at all, because then she will think you are a loser waiting for her and this unravels all your fake behavior (for example: she will know why you are talking to an UG instead, its a fake conversation, just to cover up for you insecurity). and since you cannot glance, you cannot see her, she might even walk out with the AMOG without you even seeing it!

as i write it, ignoring is not that good, there is always the risk that the amog is good and she doesnt come back to you. she only comes back to you if the amog has been a turn-off. fighting would be more guaranteed to always work. and we want guaranteed game of course.

anybody has other thoughts on this? any way to ignore and win guaranteed?

P.S. ignoring does works great when you can find a hotter or just-as-hot babe to talk to, but then you really wouldn't care about the previous HB anymore also, so that doesnt count / it solves itself / that does not need to be discussed

Didn't bother to read aside from the first paragraph.

Never fight, it's a huge DLV. Instead, use your wit and humour to AMOG him and blow him out. Shows that you are the bigger man and impresses women much more.

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anyone who has read "The Game' might rememer the story where Mystery is being antagonized by an AMOG who is huge and has a gun. Mystery stares the guy down while making fun of him by saying that if he was impressed by that magic, then he'll pop a brain cell and snaps his fingers in his face.

i wouldn't mess with a guy with a gun, but the principle is do NOT fight, and talk very smart to him, making him feel very little, and do not rely on direct insults, you'll come off as insecure.

Maybe you guys should have read the whole post, he's not talking about fighting in the physical sense.

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Well, then my reply still applies, as does Graves'. We merely said that fighting in a physical sense is a DLV and that you should use your wit and humor to diffuse the situation.

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Then you're answer to his question would have been a yes, to "fight it out" metaphorically speaking.

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Correct. I figured he would understand that as it applied directly to what he said.

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My outlook on the whole fight or ignore situation would be to quickly weigh your options. What other targets have you been working? If any. What's your venue looking like? Etc. All of these things would need to be weighed before taking the risk of not paying attention to her. Granted this works. I am famous for it, I enjoy taking a step back and letting her miss me, and compare the conversation she's having with him to mine. I have enough faith that I presented myself well enough to keep her thinking of me, and if not, theres nothing wrong with moving onto another target. However, in most cases, for newbies especially, I think it is in your best interest to attempt to engage the AMOG and disarm him as soon as possible. It's just good practice, and generally easier than playing the ignore card on her.

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Meth has a great point about letting them miss you and comparing the conversation you had with the new guy. If you can be entertaining, interesting, funny and friendly and he isn't as good at all of those as you are, then she should prefer talking to you and blow him off, especially if you had good sexual innuendo or something going.

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Dude, this is what happened to me tonight. Some fucking LOSER (not even an AMOG, just a faggot lol) dated my girlfriend. He came in to our conversation and totally blew me out! He was like "Omg, she's already having you hold her purse for her! I remember her trying to do that to me, I never did it."

I was holding her purse because she just had to go to the bathroom for a sec. I wasn't using "The Game" and taking it as a shit test 'cause she my GF. I already "passed" lol.

Anyways, I couldn't think of anything to say, but then I just ended up saying: "Haha, nah, dude. You're just jealous 'cause she wouldn't fuck you "

But now I know that that was a BAD thing to do if you were trying to pickup
the girl. EVERY PUA IS NONREACTIVE! that's the KEY to picking up women!

So, my advice to you is that if an AMOG starts a convo with your target, don't let it bother you. There are other people in that group. If it's just you two, just say "I'll be right back" and then leave to open another set. NOW, what I would do is bring that set that you just opened and merge them. You can build a jealousy plotline, to make her realize that she's attracted to you.

Then, you can always isolate the target again and leave your set that you just opened after you n-close (to make them think that you're not some rude prick that ditches them). Then from here, she'll know there are other women in your life and she has to WORK for her place. Beauty is truely common...call her out on that! Tell her, and she'll qualify herself in A3.

Hope this helped, man!

Yeah, sometimes you'll lose her, not even because you weren't more entertaining than him, sometimes bitches are just dumb. Or he could just a suave motherfucker. So it can be a bit risky, but I definitely prefer it over the normal methods of "competition".

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(admittedly I am a newbie) but why wouldn't you engage AMOG in conversation....... test your conpetition.... if he is a worthy adversary then let the GAMES begin (and I mean psychological... i read Strauss's book) but if he is a lame dick...... walk away and buy another drink..... wouldn't this answer all above questions???

Sometimes actions speak louder than words my friend...

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That's generally how I judge which option I pick, but sometimes when a guy is a dick you do people a favor by verbally flogging him publicly and driving him off. If a guy is a dick and I can tell, I'll let him show that to the girl and then when he starts losing her, I make our connection stronger by beating him over the head with everything he said.

**Bonus points of they get so flustered that they start getting high pitched and their voice cracks, or if you can make them cry.

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would it be better if you walked........ "if" he was lame..... and she followed you? I would see it as more of a victory if I didn't have to fight for her..... based on my only source for knowlege in this field..... (Strauss and here)