I refuse to be friends with attractive girls. Am I the only one?

We're either dating or fuck buddies in my world. That's it. I've wasted SO much time and money trying to bust out of the friend zone with girls that it's not even worth my time to be placed into a friendship I never even wanted to be a part of to begin with in all honesty. Males make MUCH better friends, which is another reason I avoid frienships with females. Males tend to be significantly more trustworthy ("bros before hos") and they're not going to have you entertain them at your expense (Girls cost $$$. Fact. Even if they pay for their end of the event, they always want to do shit that costs money. Guys can just chill home and play xbox or throw a football around.)

My friends look at me like I'm some sort of misogynistic monster when I tell them this though, but that couldn't be farther from the truth. I love beautiful women so much that it hurts too much to have less than a romantic or sexual relationship with them.

Yesterday this girl tried to friend zone me after rejecting my advances. She had a boyfriend (I only found this out half way through the date) but the IOI's were spewing out of her. Tons of kino, huge dilated pupils, hand holding, cuddling, talking about sex, jumping through hoops, etc.. Basically it was very apparent that she didn't care about her boyfriend... or so I thought. Gave me the whole "LJBF" speech after a rejected kiss, then I promptly told her that I don't do friendships with girls. She was shocked. I said goodbye to her when I dropped her off, and she knew that I really meant goodbye.

Is there anything wrong with how I handled this? I really have zero tolerance for bull shit, and to me friendship with an attractive girl is just that. Is this wrong? Immature even? Just be honest with me here.

Like I said, I'm just tired of roads that don't lead to romance or sex with attractive women.

Saw this in another post and its appropriate here [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zywIR_ZFLts[/youtube]

I agree, why waste your time and money? Everything Chris says in that video is true, men only keep women on side to fuck. Women do the same with men to reassure themselves.

I had a big row with some "pals" recently over this, it involved my ex and her friends. My lot tried telling me they are all trying to keep on side with them because they are friends to them. My argument was exactly as you wrote above but they cant help but delude themselves. Some men are very weak, rAFC's especially.

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Well... I like having girls as friends, I find them clever about lots of topics : relationships, social, etc. They have different view than "bros", and half on mankind being girls, I appreciate knowing a few of them and having an opportunity to understand them. That said, I am also non-exclusive (and sometimes these friends turn to fuck-friends), I don't mind about who they fuck with, I do not mind about spending a few bucks as I earn enough and as long as we share spendings, and so what I do is also based on this.

So that's how I behave, and I feel ok with that. If you believe your way is better for you, I won't pretend I have the One and Only Truth. But the fact is that you ask yourself (and us) the question about it, so do you feel you should change something ?

I have been like that. Got rejected by some girl last year. She said 'it would be nice to be friends'. fuuuucccckk that. You are not my friend, I said.

She got offended and started working to get closer to me.. was a bit weird.

So I do agree, but then I think there may be advantages to having them as friends.

1. It is a networking opportunity. Guaranteed she has friends who are also fit who you can meet. It is an 'in'.

2. Get opinions on clothing, other girls who you are trying to game etc..
be selfish and clever.. use her to better your chances to find someone else.

3. Social proofing - be seen out with a fit girl.. and the girls will ask 'who are you?'.

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If you don't have or want hot female friends then you are missing out big time. Some benefits:

- If you're out at night in a group of hot girls other girls in the club/bar will see you as a high status guy and want you. If you're in a group of guys you'll need to do far more work due to being of lower social value.

- You can learn so much about women from befriending them to the level where they're 100% comfortable around you. They will tell you about their most intimate sexual experiences, mistakes boyfriends make, EVERYTHING. You can then use their info to pick up girls you are going to sleep with and when you sleep with them you'll perform even better too due to the HB9-10's advice.

- Girls love fashion. Take them with you when you go shopping. Because you're friends not potential lovers you can ask her anything. eg "Hey I want you to pick me out an outfit that will help me attract x type of girl".

- They have friends. You may not be fucking her but if she's a HB9-10 I bet her friends are too. When you go out with her at night and meet up with her friends you will be the only guy in a set full of hot girls and you will be pre-qualified due to being her best friend. You realise how powerful that is? She won't mind you hitting on her friends either and will even wing you because you're not a random guy.

Seriously having close friends who are HB9-10 is far more valuable than fucking them. If you're not looking for a wife or LTR then you will probably screw the girls you meet a few times and then you'll get fed up and find someone new. The HB9-10 who's your friend will be around for as long as you want and is a better wing than any guy in the world. I don't have tons of female friends as I don't need too many but I have around 5 who are all either a 9 or a 10 who I meet up with regularly and who are so comfortable that I know their parents, we see each other naked regularly, I get set up with their friends etc... It's perfect. Far more useful than having another male friend who will probably just want to hit on the same girls you want and won't improve your social status on nights out due to also being male.

I totally don't agree with you! Having hot friends attracts girls towards you! If you are chilling at the bar with few hot girls, the chances you will attract other girls is higher than sitting with you "bro" staring at the girls passing by. Anyway, it depends who you hang out with. I have a lot of "bros" who spend shit load of money to go out and stuff so that is not a rule that women like to spend more than men. Besides, if you hang out with a lot of attractive girls eventually you will learn how those types of girls gets picked up, so its a win win if you can't pull them out at the start.

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I concede! The pros outweigh the cons you are right BUT never the less my point still stands. They are just women you haven't fucked yet...

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Pretty much sums it up.

I don't have any women friends and never will. Whenever I agreed to go out with a girl I am not interested in having sex with, I would ask myself all night why the fuck am I there.

If we have a lot of similar interests (having sex is included in here), then we can be friends. If we don't, I rather go chill with the guys or do my own thing.

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A hot LJBF is a complete waste of time. money, effort. Unless they wing for you, all they are is women you want to fuck, but are not!

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I strongly disagree. All you have to do is watch AFC Adam talk about night game and social status. Being out with hot female friends who you've LJBF'd you will get laid without even trying. It works because of the power being surrounded by them gives you. I can pretty much guarantee it works from my many experiences. Female friends especially 10s are far more valuable than any male friend or even fuck (unless that f close turns into something more long-term). Hanging out with groups of stunning women will get you laid over and over again. If you have tight enough game and have been in your town long enough you won't need to fuck any of them because you can get that elsewhere. When you're out with them you don't need to fuck them because of the easiness of other girls once they see who you're with. You will get approached and opened by girls because they will think you're someone important and will assume you are fucking them all.

I also find speaking to women incredibly interesting. If I'm fucking a girl I don't want to have a deep conversation with her about pick-up, game, her sexual past etc... If she's my good friend yet incredibly hot I want this info off her to use on other super hot girls. Women are also good for talking about things men don't understand or have interest in. You can use things the girls tell you as conversation topics with women you are gaming. If your super-hot female friend is into something there's a good chance your target is too.

I know it's not cool to admit on a PUA forum that you don't try to fuck every HB10 that you meet but after a certain point you don't need to game every girl in your life because you have enough already and when you fancy something different you can use your female friends to get it easier than if you were alone or with pick-up guys.

I think it's foolish not to be friends with a hot girl... I absolutely LOVE bringing a bunch of girls out to like a club or bar, so easy to pull any girl in the venue. Also I personally like the friend zone, because eventually the girl will be dtf, and even if she's not she will bring you her hot female friends usually and you will have an easier time building comfort.

also drunken threesomes happen with LJBF chicks.

Wrong! You are missing the point. A LJBF chick is typically one that you have tried to have sex with, and she instead gave you LJBF speech! I love hanging out with hot chicks as well! It's fine to be friends with lots of women. In fact hanging out with lots of other hot women is about the only way to turn around a LJBF!

I like having girls as friends, but I refuse to put any effort into a LJBF type relationship.

A hot LJBF is a complete waste of time. money, effort. Unless they wing for you!

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Not if you have LJBF'd her. Even better if you haven't even tried to game her. I don't understand what you mean about a LJBF relationship. Unless you're a giant AFC you wouldn't waste your time spending lots of time and effort trying to bone a girl who's LJBF'd you because you have other options. The discussion is about where hot girls are useful as friends rather than hot girls who have rejected you. If you're getting laid elsewhere it's not hard to be friends with an attractive girl without jumping her and needing to sleep with her.

Indeed the pros outweight the cons big time. But even after a LJBF situation, you probaly still got some work to do before u get good friends. So it takes investments.

And these investments can only occur when you really want to be friends with that girl.

Reading here some people would and some people won't. I am a person that wouldn't.
Unless a girl really would be my type but then again i would like to date and bang her.
Maybe if i put my manhood/feelings aside i could have a good time with such a girl...

Conclusion: Pros > Cons. But you need to be the type of guy for girl friendships.

As I said before; there is nothing wrong with having hot female friends (Topic)

Helpful to your game as well!

But to try and remain a orbiter to a girl that has LJBF'd YOU, is pointless! Zero reward! (Also topic)


LJBF

Abbreviation for "Lets Just Be Friends". Used mostly by women to indicate that they don't want a romantic relationship, but don't mind receiving attention from a guy that wants to be more than friends.

Ex;
He thought she was hot, but she LJBF'd him so he is out of luck.


Its a phenomena where the girl you have feelings for, strips you down to the lowest form in the chain of life, and then either gets with your friend or someone whose lesser than you. this situation is almost the closest thing to a black hole, once your in it, unless you act swiftly you will never have a chance to get out.

Why would anyone want THAT?!

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