So im volunteering for my collage for frosh and i went for this overnight meet up for all the volunteers. I had a few friends 1 girl and few guys who were with me but while eating lunch i noticed a girl by herself so i wanted to get her to come meet people. I felt bad mostly and thats why I approached her, I just said hi and we went on from there. I introduced her ot my friends and she joined the crew. We all planned on partying it up at the residence they provided us for the night so ya I also thought about running some of my game for hte night.

Anyways, i didnt even have to try much, this girl was like so interesting and me and her got along so well. We had a lot of htings in common, not only that this girl was the hottest girl (in my oponion) of all the student volunteers there and she was always with me. We sat beside each otehr talked more and I didnt try to hard. I ignored her sometimes, waited for her to start the convo, sometimes I just looked at her n she giggled. I thought maybe htis girl likes me. I had some kino but not much. Later i check out her phone and she has a guy in her pic with her. I ask her is this ur bf she said yes and then i say cool. I continue how i was acting. I was just being my self and i was confident around her. My friends thought she wanted me. My friend whos a girl might have thought i liked her (she asked me "you havea crush on somone? " i think hinting towards the other girl) My friend whos a girl is pretty hot too , maybe an 8. This girl im chopping is atleast a 8.5-9 in my eyes.

Either way, I continued my gameplan n talked to her in a flirty seductive way i suppose. I thought maybe she didnt tell me at first she has a bf because she didnt want me to know... or because she really thought im just tryingto be her friend.

There were some sxual jokes too, like when everyone came in my room to drink i was like so u staying here tonight? and I smiled.. and she laughed n said no . This was playful but i mean she cuda said yes .

She didnt end up drinking much and i think its because she didnt want to do anthing stupid . ( maybe she was afraid she might hook up with me) I didnt even come strong on her during the party times. I was mostly doing my own thing, i dont think i even talked to her when i was smashed but she came looking for me a few times , maybe because she was lonely. I always had her on my mind though i mean she was the hottest one here right.

So ya like next morning she was asking me how do u meet new people, and i was like just go say hi, and she said but then it looks like im choppin him ... i already have a chop .

So that time she did confirm her bf.

So ya what do I do? I am ganna be seeing her during the frosh week as we work together. Shud I just stick with my plan n just talk to her playfully, i mean I enjoy it...and she does to i think by the fact that she laughs at like anything i say. I dont mind being her friend because im sure shes got more hot friends and even if not... its good to have girls who are friends.

So do i have a chance and what should i do? Im still an afc and i dont read books i just go to girls with my natural instinct now. now lines no nothin so i might not know what im doin.

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Also let me add, her bf is way better looking than me. The guy looks like he cud be in 1 direction or somthing. Im just an average guy like probably a 6/10

Sorry for my typing and spelling/grammar errors. My keyboard is so bad and I rushed this.

Id keep doing what. Ur doing things look.good. Try killing. Her boyfriends game

Btw confidence is key! So what if hes better looking he probably doesn't make her laugh like u. U got this.

I think you can get this girl if you tried.

Unfortunately, what you are doing is not trying to get her into bed, it is playground silliness. "do you think she likes-likes me or just likes me?" "do you have a crush on her?" Do not waste your time with worries like these.

Your behavior reads to her like you are just trying to be her friend, so if you continue what you're doing you are likely to be LJBFed, if you haven't been put in that category already. She has a boyfriend, and I wouldn't suggest trying to get in a relationship with her and break up her current relationship, but that doesn't mean you can't seduce her and sleep with her.

What you need to do is isolate her at some point in a non-threatening way. The invitation has to in no way resemble a date. If it looks like you are trying to get her to sleep with you, she won't go. The key is to get her to go spend time with you somewhere that she is not surrounded by people who know her, her boyfriend, or both. It is only in this situation, where she can relax because she does not have to fear being judged by others, that she will allow herself to consider allowing anything to happen between you.

Then you use game to up attraction, use kino, get her turned on, and the like, all done in such a way that she can tell herself later that it just happened. Make sure she is comfortable, and don't hit on her outright or make your intentions clear until the situation becomes sexual. You don't want to raise her alarm bells. She must feel like the two of you doing anything sexual together was her idea--if you make it look like you're trying to get her to cheat on her boyfriend from the beginning, she will probably try to leave. Look up boyfriend destroyer and frame shift routines, they should help with what to do and say on this not-a-date.

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thanks guys, yea I make her laugh easily. She was even like "wow i cant believe how well we get along and we just met"

After she said that i thought i had it in the bag but as mentioned , then i noticed she had a bf.

Moguishenti ya I see what you are saying. I was thinking maybe just be her friend, act like how I am with her with my playful flirty attitude and then when she breaks up, then i could get in a relationship with her if i wanted.

Also a few times she when she was with just me because we all got seprated, she was like " I can leave if you want, am I annoying you?" thats when I felt fully in control and I felt like a boss. I told her " naw ur fine its totally cool" trying to be a nice guy , then she said really and i replied " actually ok fine " jokingly. And she jokingly was like "omg!" then I just started walking and she thoughti was serious, while walking i told her "jus going t the washroom" and smiled.

So is that a good move i did there ? It just came naturally thats how i act around her. Jokingly and nice guy style with a bit of cockyness i think?

I dont know If i want to just sleep with her unless she gives consent. In the volunteer thing we learned about how you shud get proper consent of a girl for sex or else it is sexual assult. If hte girl is so drunk and u take her to ur room without her consent to have sex then u can get in big shit. I also dont think its right morally for me personally. So I agree with wat you said, she must feel like the sexual act was her idea. I dont know how to esculate it wihtout actually trying or making the "first move" type of thing. Should I just wait and see if she gives signs or initiates anything?

I can make chances and situations where she could have a choice but I dont think she would do it. The night when we were all drunk, she was laying down on the bed with a bunch a ppl around, i was sitting near her so I decided to just lay my head down to lay on her back. I did so for a bit, then i went to grab a pillow for more comfort but then shes like " wat r u doing, i do not consent haha" in a jokingly way but i stopped cause i felt bad to do it , it would look like im trying to do something she doesnt want to do . I laughed and was like what r u thinking, im not tryin to do anythin.

I am going to plan to isolate her more during the time im with her, unfortunatly one of my friends always follows me, its good because i lead the shit out of him , but bad because he is no wingman and just listens to what i say. he sucks at talkin to girls. I can ask the girl to come lets go grab somethin to eat or go for a walk, but im sure if my friend is around which he probably will be, he will want to come too.

Do u got any other ideas? I saw her facebook and she and her bf look like maybe they love each other. Looks like a long relationship so yea. If I had a gf, i wouldnt want her acting the way she does just wanted to add that in. So maybe she not ment for me lol

take this as a passive IOI, girl is flirty and doesn't mention she has a bf when she has one

if talking to her would have been the most fun for you at the time, you might as well have gone and talked to her
what do you want to do?
what do you want out of this situation the make it better for yourself? are you just throwing shit out there in the hopes that she will take control of the situation and lead it to something for you? cause she likely won't, especially when she has a boyfriend
no one can magically know this, the only way to find out is to try to have sex with her, it either works out or it doesn't, what should you do?, hmm, lead the situation to what you want, just think, how can I make this better right now for myself, turn this into more of what I want it to be, then do that, if you are into this girl, make an effort to get her

here are some ideas for you,

-start escalating, build compliance, start showing interest in her etc. (in other words, project some damn sexual intent)

-dis-qualify excuses, if she has a boyfriend, why do you care if this matters to her or not?, compliance will tell you if it does, no point in trying to be some sort of mind reader, treat the bf as an excuse and make it as easy for her to cheat as possible, if she is a cheater all she needs is a guy that understands how to not be a liability to her relationship, dis-qualify the problems that arise, cut them down until the point where she has no more excuses and it has become a simple yes or no situation, offer a solution to the problems she puts in the way, also it is helpful to lower her asd reguarding this sort of thing, you want to project that cheating is no big deal and you won't judge her for doing it, the boyfriend doesn't matter to you, she does, and you will be discreet and help her keep it a secret, you won't fall in love and don't care if she keeps dating him, escalate without permission make everything that happens totally your fault completely, etc.

-stay congruent, both to your frame and emotionally

-she is either down, or not down, but don't worry about it, a no today, can be a yes tommorow, just be patient, don't get needy, really all you can do is go for it, and do your best to deal with the aftermath, don't worry about failing, as she could like you and become available to you when she is single, I believe tupac said it pretty well, ''a coward dies 1000 deaths, a soldier dies but one'', not going for this will result in automatic fail, put an effort forth and you will at least learn something, going beyond what you know and are comfortable with is not failing, it is learning/improving, the outcome is not as important as your skill set

-if she starts showing signs of non compliance such as, won't meet up with you at all, and continuously flakes, pay attention to why you think she is doing that (the bf), and offer solutions to the problem (lower the asd), if the problem can't be solved and continues to persist in a pattern, then you have your answer to if she is willing or not (she is or isn't a cheater)
pretty fucking irrelivant, all girls love to be bent over, if you are attractive to her you are attractive to her, some girls only cheat to trade up, some girls cheat cause they simply get off on the idea of cheating, some cheat just cause they met the right guy at the right time and he went for it and took responsibility for her actions, some girls will cheat out of spite for revenge when the bf has done something they really don't like, some girls will cheat when their relationship is becomming stale, some girls plain and simple will not cheat for any reason, with any guy at all even if he is clearly a trade up to the boyfriend they would rather break up then cheat, totally relative to the girl in question, only way to find out is take responsibility and go for it, worst that can happen is she isn't interested, and knowing that she isn't is better then being unsure of this and wasting your time thinking there is something you can do or say that will just get her when there isn't

How do I escalate? Get more physical with her... like build kino? I really dont know if what I am doing is game, I dont know if I am flirting because even though i think I am, maybe she just sees me as a friend and that means I am not doing it right.

How do I build compliance? Can I have some examples that I could do?

Also how do I show interest in her, do I just tell her i think shes cute ...because she will immediately say she has a boyfriend once i become obvious don't you think?

Lets say I do become obvious and I show signs of interest like maybe I try to hold her hand when walking. Or I tell her I like her. She might tell me she has a boyfirend so then I must disqualify the problem? Should I tell her, your boyfriend doesnt matter to me but you do.

Also if she is giving excuses, doesnt that mean she doesnt want to be with me? If I am just finding solutions to her excuses , it looks like I am forcing what ever im trying to do doesnt it? It looks like I am not giving up and i really want her type thing. Is that a good thing or bad?

How do I lower her asd? I just learnt this term while searching on the web and I didnt know about it but it makes sense. Girls dont want to be like sluts so how do I make it flow naturally or smoothly.

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The next time I see her, I wont have my own room for any action there. So most probably i wont have sex. I might be able to crash at my friends place who was also with us partying that night. First I thought she would be a good winggirl, like she was 2nd hottest girl at the party in my opinion and she was my first target in mind until i met the new girl. But she treats me like she owns me. She things she is the leader or the alpha girl and i dont take shit like that from her. She wud be like "come with me to get some food" just because she wants to eat and i have a plate full of food type thing. So she is bossy and playful at the same time. Thing is I was also afraid to make any moves on the main target because she had become friends with my 'winggirl' and the wingirl knew about how she had a bf. I thought she would cock block and I still am not sure if she would or not... shes not a true winggirl i can trust. I see myself as the main leader of the group, the king and she is like the queen.

Either way I might crash at her place, i got to ask her and maybe the target girl cud crash there too. (3some?). She has 1 bed and she ganna be on it so il forsure try n b like hey theres room for 2 . But i dont know what she wud say.

There is a high possibility i might not be able to crash at her place for the frosh week im seeein them so I guess my next game plan shud be to get a makeout close with the girl right?

I should focus on how to makeout with this girl... so got any tips?

chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-vt75887.html
^ read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirting
^ read this

if you tell her she is cute and she doesn't like it, then chances are she doesn't find you very attractive... does she, if she says ''I have a boyfriend'' you say, cool, you're still cute, and you keep talking to her and she is enjoying the attention, there you go, if she seems uncomfortable and is really trying to shut you down, then there you go, there is no secret magical technique to get girls, they either like you and your style or they don't, you don't get one girl... you talk to many girls and try to get them all, then a few out of many will be into you, and you choose from those girls as to who lines up with what you like the best

if a girl is not interested in you at all, then don't waste your time on her

read the above answer to ''I have a boyfriend'' that is, dis-qualifying the problem, it projects the frame of ''cool... don't care you have a boyfriend, it is not a problem''

^ do you understand this concept?

her: ''I have a boyfriend'' (she is blocking you with a problem)

here are a list of dis-qualifiers (to dis-qualify the problem)

''I don't want to be your boyfriend'' (with the tone that you want to sleep with her but not date)
''cool, I used to have a pet rock''
''cool, my mom loves boyfriends, guess we have to keep things hush hush''
''nice, now you have someone to keep you company when I'm not around''
''cool, I don't care''
''ok'' (move on, change the subject like you don't care and continue hitting on her)
''you want another one?''
''well that breaks my heart, guess we will just have to keep things secretive''
''NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...............................FUCK!'' (then giggle a bit and keep talking/hitting on her)
''awesome he can raise my kids''
welcome to the game of women, it's time you start talking to them and get some experience, women resist, men persist, but you have to get some experience to be able to tell the difference between when a girl is just being skittish and giving you a hard time and bunch of excuses or in a bad mood and resisting, and when she just seriously is not interested, the best way to figure out is to take a shot at hitting on her

here is an interesting video for you to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsPc9vbD ... F03CE1AF70

if you don't know, forget about this until you have talked to more girls and actually are starting to hit on them, one step at a time, keep it as simple as possible for yourself early on, when you are more comfortable hitting on girls, look into this
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awesome, she's a confident chick, that's fucking sweet, they are the most fun to flirt with, everyone that has confidence tries to lead, it's fun

she's all like, ''come with me to get some food''
you be all like, ''come sit on my lap and tell me a story dearest''

then she won't do it and you get to have a laugh, and the flirting continues

also, stop worrying about hitting on girls, hit on all of them, the target, the friends, all of them, have fun man, you don't have to sleep with every girl that you flirt with

it seems you are taking this ''I AM THE KING'' shit so seriously, just have some fun with it, it's more like ''IM DA BOSS HO, SAMMICH ME!! lol'' rather then ''OMG IM THE LEADER, PLEASE DON'T YOU DARE DO THINGS TO ME RAAAAA RAAAA RAAA RABBLE RABBLE I'M MAD''

have fun, this isn't for cerial, you play for keeps, but if you lose it doesn't matter, there are tons of other girls around
good luck with that one you remember ^ this?
only way to find out what she would say, is do what you want to do, and see what she says, then deal with it after the fact
up to you, not me, you're da boss of what you want, remember?
build compliance to see if she is ok with a lower level of compliance, when you are seeing good signs, just get close to her, look into her eyes, and go in for it nice a slow, if she turns her head or what ever but you have previous compliance, just give it a good 3 shots in a night but space them out so she doesn't feel crowded about it, 3rd times the charm

or to simplify, put your arm around a girl, if she is ok with that and lets you keep it there for a bit, or is ok with snuggling up, she is probably ok with a kiss too

if you are super fucking nervous about it and can't just do it, just ask her ''would you like to kiss me?'' (look up the mystery method kiss close routine)

GOOD LUCK

Alright, thanks pumpington. You are putting me in the right mindset, yeah I need to just have fun with this and you gave me a lot of good ideas to throw out there.

Also thanks for the links, I am ganna check it out and read it up. Im ganna try your disc qualifiers. I like the "nice, now you have someone to keep you company when I'm not around''" seems like my style.

Oh ya the mystery close routine, i remember that!

+rep

Ps. I still havent read or watched your recommended material I seriously have had no extra time to just sit n learn these past couple of weeks.

Just to update you guys on what happened during the week.

About crashing at the girls place I slept with 2 girls at the same time.

I actually stayed at her place for the first day of the week. She said your cool to crash but i have no bed. Me her and the 1st hot girl who has a bf. I kept it playful saying "hey i sleep in the nude just letting you know". This was my first time sleeping at a girls place. They layed the sleeping bags down, there was 2 for each girl but they said they would lay it down on thefloor for us all to sleep. I slept in the middle of the 2 girls but I cudnt get sleep, it was soo uncomfortable...her floor was soo hard and i had no pillow. And the 2nd hot girl also cudnt get sleep I kept noticing her moving around and what not. She was getting cold but I was getting hot . I should have cuddled with her but at the same time the other girl was there. I was too afraid of rejection so i just waited to see if she would make a move. I move my feet spread them towards hers and while touching hers i would massage. I did that mostly cause it felt good n my feet were aching lol. The night ends with no sex, makout, or cuddling. Maybe would have happend if that other girl wasnt there on my other side, or if the bed was comfortable.

Some other day:
The first girl who had a bf who was my target told me that shes not trying to 'chop' me. Me n her went to get booze for the party and she was a little drunk at the time while we were walking there and shes like "I know it may seem like im trying to chop you but I'm not , I have a boyfriend" I just said I know its cool dont worry. Should I have used a disqualifier or is that one itself?

I dont think shes the type to cheat on her bf and i respect that, theyv been together for a few years i think. Either way , I kept my flirty atitutde because thats my personality. Kept building kino with her with handshakes and hugs.


The other girl who is her friend and who i knew from before who i thought would be my wing girl (the 2nd hot girl) was a very easy girl and I realize this a few days after sleeping over with her :@ . U pua's would have picked her up no doubt. She reminds me of myself a bit, like during the week I would be going around to many girls, back and forth making it look like I know many girls and that I am not fixated on any of my targets. I thought htis wud make the girls jelous as well. The 2nd hotest girl similarly would flirt and get touchy with many guys. Shes just a fun type girl. At the parties she made out wit some random guy when we were all drunk and im sure he got her number. She grinded on me at that party, rested on my shoulder on another party when things were calm, she cuddled with another guy leaving me. She seemd very ez that if somone went on strong they cud maybe get her.

I tried to invite her once to my buddies place to crash bc her place sucks but she didnt want to come. She felt it would be wierd just her n no other girls. And I said "it would be cool but waterer its up to you" (is that a disqualifier?)

damn, for a sec you had me thinking, yeah!! what a turn around woooo 3some, guy just took some action... then nah sad face, oh well, you'll try something funny next time maybe, and if you don't get the 3some next time, at least you'll have some awesome story about trying
should you?, that's really up to you man, what do you think, do you want to sleep with a girl who has a boyfriend?, do you not mind?, let's assume you knew nothing bad could happen at all, and just using a dis-qualifier would lead her to fucking you 100% for sure, would you do it? that should really answer that question for yourself, if the answer is ''no, I would hate to help a girl cheat, it's morally wrong'' then nope, if your answer is fuck yah!! I'd pump her and send her home, then yes

well, time to stop caring about what ''type'' of girl she is, instead of trying to think of things through the lens of, ''what if she doesn't like me?'' and ''does she want this? does she not want this?'', stop trying to think for her and basing your actions in reaction to what she wants, get more selfish man, get the home team to some water before you start considering what the away team wants to eat, start thinking of things through a lens of, ''what would make me like this girl? and does she have it?'' and ''what do I want? what would I like to do in this situation that could possibly make it better for me?''

for all you know she could have just been hoping a praying that you gave it a shot, so she could say to herself that she cheated on her boyfriend, but she wasn't easy, it wasn't her fault, she told you she had a boyfriend, you just didn't care, she told you she wasn't going to sleep with you that night, you didn't care, you weren't pushy, you weren't trying to get anything from her, you just hung in there, didn't care, one drink led to another, you got to talking, nothing to sexual or anything, it was just a friendly conversation between friends, a slight touch here and a hug there led to a kiss, a kiss led to a makeout.... it just happened, it wasn't her fault
it's as if you believe most girls are ''hard'', nope, for the right guy, right time, probably just about any girl would have sex first day of meeting someone, just has to be under the right conditions, girls love sex, probably more then us, they are just socially conditioned to hide it, cause they are at risk of being judged and negatively labelled if they don't (by guys and girls who for example would label them as ''sluts'' or ''easy'' or ''whores'' and make this a public label, thus de-valueing their dating market value, the best guys would all want them slightly less if they knew they were normal and got horny just like anybody else, cause society tells them they have to be pure, they have to be little angels who don't like sex, even though they most certainly do) just about every girl is ''easy'' just different girls hide it to different varying degrees and are better at doing so then others

the sooner you start thinking of all girls as ''easy'' and nervous little penis hungry girls who care too much that people will know, the better off you will be, cause the more you will understand their asd, and start giving them easier ways to sleep with you, more secretive offers, more convert signs of interest, less bragging to other people, less risk to their social reputations, more value for them to sleep with you, all those girls who you think are so ''pure and good'' could turn out to be the most promiscuous kinky girls you have ever met, and vice versa, all those girls you think are ''easy'' could turn out to be some of the most challenging girls to sleep with by far and just really enjoy attention and a good flirt off, while the silent girl in the corner sipping on her tonic water not drinking at the party with the boyfriend, could have secretly sucked 5 random dicks that day, you never really know what people keep secret, and what people make public
ehhh, not really, there is no justification for her besides ''it would be cool''

a disqualifier lets her know she is lacking in a quality, as in she is not qualified from what she assumes, it would be like, dis-qualifying the problem she has going on in her head (sex would happen at your house, people may know, she may look ''easy'' etc. etc., she believe her or you are qualified to make sex happen alone, so you have to disqualify that thought), giving her a justification for why her problem is not a problem

just like a girl who tells you she has a ''boyfriend'' has qualified herself to not being available to you, cause she assumes that is a quality that you don't want, so you let her know she still qualifies for sex with you, by disqualifying the boyfriend issue

does that make sense to you now?

Oh yea your right, well I still talk to her and i think there is still chance then for anything to happen. I will do like you said, where things will just lead into things and it wont be her fault.
Alright yea girls dont want to seem like sluts and so they make it less obvious they wanna have sex. This 1st girl actually seems obvious as she is very firty and i see her get touchy with many guys. She also talks about sex like guys do. Shes dtf... i wonder if she's dtf with me tho lol
Ohh i used to think when a girl says that she has a bf , she is saying that im a quality that she doesnt want because she already has a man. But when you turn it around like that, making it so that she is assuming you dont want a girl with a boyfriend ... makes it much more positive . Today I actually used one of your disqualifies you gave me

Approached a like big group of girls, me and my buddy. I singled out quickly to the one that was responding the most and it was raining so i got close under her umbrella and said sharing is caring. Then shes like "woa wat are you doing, i have a boyfirend ". And I said "yeah so what... i mean thats good atleast he can keep you company when im not around" and smiled . And then she was like woaa and laughed lol

Turns out she doesnt have a bf lol
just wanted to share that.

awesome man, get your creep on, shit is starting to get good